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Post by HabSolute on Sept 26, 2006 12:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by cigarviper on Sept 26, 2006 13:59:08 GMT -5
Personally, I hope he gets burned. I've always regarded him as more of a lawyer than a hockey guy...and we all know that lawyers suck.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 27, 2006 13:04:51 GMT -5
Still think we should go after their first round pick.
Trade Yann Danis to New Jersey for Dan McGillis and his $2.2 million contract, and a 1st round pick? We pick up a veteran for this year, while getting a pick for the future.
That would put us right up against the cap (we might have to tweak the deal a little, to get under), but only for one year, McGillis would be our 7th defenseman until Bouillon comes back, and while losing Danis hurts, we have depth at the position, and the pick will help us re-stock.
New Jersey in the meantime, gets some cap relief along with a goalie on a two-way contract (important for them, at this point), and they don’t have to give up anything they were going to use anyways.
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Post by HabSolute on Sept 27, 2006 13:25:04 GMT -5
Still think we should go after their first round pick. Trade Yann Danis to New Jersey for Dan McGillis and his $2.2 million contract, and a 1st round pick? We pick up a veteran for this year, while getting a pick for the future. That would put us right up against the cap (we might have to tweak the deal a little, to get under), but only for one year, McGillis would be our 7th defenseman until Bouillon comes back, and while losing Danis hurts, we have depth at the position, and the pick will help us re-stock. New Jersey in the meantime, gets some cap relief along with a goalie on a two-way contract (important for them, at this point), and they don’t have to give up anything they were going to use anyways. Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't we then be out of cap space to keep Latendresse ? I know he won't make much, but still, we need cap space to keep him ! |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 27, 2006 14:41:43 GMT -5
Well, whether it's Latendresse, Kostitsyin, Perezhoghin or whoever, they're all going to take cap space. But you can only carry a certain number on your roster, so you wouldn't be adding any additional salary, when you look at it that way. Lats makes it, but Kosts doesn't, salaries come out even.
Like I said, it could be close, but it might be doable. With Souray now being injured, this might even work out in our favor...
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 1, 2006 18:55:59 GMT -5
Well, Bob Gainey may not have thought it was a good idea, but the Sharks apparently did... They get Malakhov and New Jersey's first round pick, for depth defenseman Jim Fahey and Alexander Koroyluk, currently in Russia. www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179623&hubname= |
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Post by PTH on Oct 1, 2006 21:07:53 GMT -5
Hmm, looks like my "cap space is an asset" saying is coming true.
Carolina got less in return for Johnson because they wanted to package Tverdovsky with him, and now SJ gets a 1st rounder to compensate for picking up a major salary in Malakhov, in exchange for what appear to be a couple of warm bodies.
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Post by blny on Oct 2, 2006 12:18:59 GMT -5
In this case, better the devil we don't know. I have absolutely no interest in bringing Vlad back, esp at 38 years of age.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 2, 2006 12:57:45 GMT -5
In this case, better the devil we don't know. I have absolutely no interest in bringing Vlad back, esp at 38 years of age. Malakhov is never going to play for the Sharks. In fact, he didn’t even show up to training camp, and is thus suspended, meaning that the Sharks don’t even have to pay him any money. The only thing this is costing San Jose is cap space (which, as an aside, we didn't have). Frankly speaking, I would bet you the GMs of teams like Pittsburgh, Columbus and Washington are kicking themselves right now. They could have had an extra first rounder for cap space they have no intention of using otherwise. Like I said, they don’t even have to pay the guy any money. |
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Post by blny on Oct 2, 2006 14:37:50 GMT -5
I was aware that he wasn't in the NJ camp. I've read reports where he claims to be retired, and had no contact with the Devils in some time. If you're retired Vlad, file the damn papers.
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Post by PTH on Oct 2, 2006 18:22:54 GMT -5
I was aware that he wasn't in the NJ camp. I've read reports where he claims to be retired, and had no contact with the Devils in some time. If you're retired Vlad, file the damn papers. He was signed when he was over 35, so even with papers filed, his salary counts towards the cap. This is to avoid a 36 year old signing a "3 year deal" when he wants to retire at the end of the year, for 4, 1 and 1 million - which would mean a cap number of 2 million, but he'd be a 4-million dollar player who'd retire after a season, but only cost, in cap space, 2 million dollars. |
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Post by franko on Oct 3, 2006 10:09:24 GMT -5
Mogilny ruled physically unfit to play The New Jersey Devils' salary cap problems are rapidly diminishing. Sources tell TSN that an independent medical evaluation has determined that Alexander Mogilny's chronic hip condition makes him physically unfit to play and that when the Devils file their roster with the league Tuesday, they will be able to designate Mogilny as a Long-Term Injury.
That means the Devils will be able to spend above the salary cap to the amount of Mogilny's contract, which is $3.5 million, for as long as Mogilny remains on Long-Term Injury. And since his condition is chronic and degenerative, Mogilny will not play a game in the NHL this season and the Devils will get the cap relief they've so desperately needed. TSN/CP |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 3, 2006 10:33:10 GMT -5
It is sickening how Bettman cowers to Gm's like JFJ and Lamerello.
I don't care if he is physically unfit to play, the Devils had no intention on playing him. The whole league knows that. If he is in such bad condition he should retire, then the Devils would be in a pickle now wouldn't they?
How much has the Devils slipped him under the table not to retire I wonder?
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Post by franko on Oct 3, 2006 11:07:26 GMT -5
It is sickening how Bettman cowers to Gm's like JFJ and Lamerello. I don't care if he is physically unfit to play, the Devils had no intention on playing him. The whole league knows that. If he is in such bad condition he should retire, then the Devils would be in a pickle now wouldn't they? How much has the Devils slipped him under the table not to retire I wonder? On the table; 3.5M this year; insurance will pay it and NJ has that much to play with. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 3, 2006 11:10:31 GMT -5
It is sickening how Bettman cowers to Gm's like JFJ and Lamerello. I don't care if he is physically unfit to play, the Devils had no intention on playing him. The whole league knows that. If he is in such bad condition he should retire, then the Devils would be in a pickle now wouldn't they? How much has the Devils slipped him under the table not to retire I wonder? On the table; 3.5M this year; insurance will pay it and NJ has that much to play with. Since contracts are guaranteed ... even if he retires he gets his 3.5 million. |
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Post by franko on Oct 3, 2006 11:13:34 GMT -5
On the table; 3.5M this year; insurance will pay it and NJ has that much to play with. Since contracts are guaranteed ... even if he retires he gets his 3.5 million. Yes, but if he retires NJ is on the hook for it and it counts against the cap; if he remains on IR and insurance kicks in it does not count against the cap. [edit: I get it -- you are asking how much extra NJ is paying Alex to sit out and not retire.] |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 3, 2006 11:37:34 GMT -5
Mogilny ruled physically unfit to play The New Jersey Devils' salary cap problems are rapidly diminishing. Sources tell TSN that an independent medical evaluation has determined that Alexander Mogilny's chronic hip condition makes him physically unfit to play and that when the Devils file their roster with the league Tuesday, they will be able to designate Mogilny as a Long-Term Injury.
That means the Devils will be able to spend above the salary cap to the amount of Mogilny's contract, which is $3.5 million, for as long as Mogilny remains on Long-Term Injury. And since his condition is chronic and degenerative, Mogilny will not play a game in the NHL this season and the Devils will get the cap relief they've so desperately needed. TSN/CPAs Skilly pointed out it's a shame the league covers for guys like this. And the following story by TSN: Bob McKenzie, TSN.ca Staff
10/3/2006 11:17:24 AM
Suffice to say, the natives are restless.
The natives, in this case, are NHL general managers who aren't happy with how New Jersey Devils' GM Lou Lamoriello has apparently extricated himself from a salary cap conundrum that, at one point, looked as though it might cause him to gut his team.
Now, though, with two moves over the last few days, Lamoriello looks as though he has deftly gotten cap relief to the tune of $7.1 million. That isn't to say he isn't going to be tight against the cap when the season opens and that all his problems are behind him, but he should at least be able to sign some of the players – Brian Gionta, Paul Martin and David Hale, for example – that he previously couldn't sign because of financial limitations. And it doesn't look as though the Devils will have to engage in a cap-induced fire sale to come in under the $44 million cap figure.
Did we mention a lot of his brethren aren't happy.
''This opens up a real can of worms for the league,'' said one GM, who requested anonymity. ''This is going to get ugly.'' And howCheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 3, 2006 15:15:38 GMT -5
This is the heights of foolishness.
Players play hurt all the time ... broken legs, bad backs, slipped discs, you name it hockey players somewhere have played through it ....
What you are going to see from now on are players are going to sign contracts after they are 35 (we currently don't have anyone that old on the Habs) for 4 million in the first year, 1 million in the second, third and subsequent years and only cost their team 1-2 million of cap space while taking home 4 million dollars. Then, after they collect the four million salary, that "chronic" back pain they have been "playing" through is going to put them on the LTI list, instead of forcing them to retire as in the past. No team is going to want these guys to retire because they dont have to pay them and they can go over the cap. NIce Job Buttman ... another dumb move.
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Post by roke on Oct 3, 2006 15:34:38 GMT -5
So Mogilny is technically an active player but on this long-term injury thing. What would happen if, say, Mogilny wanted to screw Lou for sending him to the minors last year and he files his retirement papers tonight. Would he then count against the cap? I hope he does it.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 3, 2006 16:26:20 GMT -5
So Mogilny is technically an active player but on this long-term injury thing. What would happen if, say, Mogilny wanted to screw Lou for sending him to the minors last year and he files his retirement papers tonight. Would he then count against the cap? I hope he does it. Yes he would ...and he would still get his 3.5 million. That why I am suggesting, being the conspiracy theorist I am , that Lou has sweetened the pot for Mogilny so he won't retire. If Molginy knows his hockey playing days are over than what is stopping him from retiring? There has to be something else to this. He wouldn't be the first player to retire from "injuries" or "extenuating circumstances" only to resume playing after one year of being away. The way this is being handled you'd swear someone has convinced Molgilny that he can't play in the NHL anymore if he retires. |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 3, 2006 17:25:27 GMT -5
So Mogilny is technically an active player but on this long-term injury thing. What would happen if, say, Mogilny wanted to screw Lou for sending him to the minors last year and he files his retirement papers tonight. Would he then count against the cap? I hope he does it. Yes he would ...and he would still get his 3.5 million. Are you sure? Bob McKenzie says that "if [Malakhov] showed up on the Sharks' doorstep ready to play, they would have to start paying him." |
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 4, 2006 7:17:22 GMT -5
“One day? What can one day give me?” Toranaga asked, “One day can give me the world. One day for me is one less day for my enemies. Who knows what can happen in one day? One day may be all it takes for a solution to present itself.” -Toranaga, Shogun ...As Lucky Lou showed last year, there are still lots of ways around the cap. Don’t forget, the Devils were over the cap last year too, and everybody just assumed they would have to dump a whole bunch of salary, just like everybody is assuming they are going to have to do this year. But Lou waited, and waited, and waited, and the solution presented itself, in the form of Hepatitis. Elias got sick, the Devils didn’t have to pay him, and they carried on. If the Devils, Flyers, or Bruins are over the cap, they’ll simply wait. Lou doesn’t have to sign both Gionta AND Gomez right away, after all. He can wait them out..... Trades, injuries, demotions. One day for him, is one less day for his enemies. ...... These teams aren’t in perfect situations, obviously, but I think the reports of their demises are greatly exaggerated at this point. Lammy Lou does it again. Those who are griping about it are either mad that they didn't think of it themselves, mad that they didn't get the first rounder San Jose did, or mad that the Devils are actually a better team than they were at the start of last year. They made a fair trade (actually a trade that they got screwed on), and they got TWO doctors to confirm that Mogilny is in fact unfit to play (theirs, and the independent doctor hired by Gary Bettman and the NHL). Mogilny's situation is no different than the one the Canadiens are in, with Franky Bouillon. Unless you think Bouillon's salary SHOULD count towards our cap, why would Mogilny's count towards New Jersey's? Until he shows otherwise, I still think Lamoreillo is the best GM in the league. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 4, 2006 9:36:08 GMT -5
“One day? What can one day give me?” Toranaga asked, “One day can give me the world. One day for me is one less day for my enemies. Who knows what can happen in one day? One day may be all it takes for a solution to present itself.” -Toranaga, Shogun ...As Lucky Lou showed last year, there are still lots of ways around the cap. Don’t forget, the Devils were over the cap last year too, and everybody just assumed they would have to dump a whole bunch of salary, just like everybody is assuming they are going to have to do this year. But Lou waited, and waited, and waited, and the solution presented itself, in the form of Hepatitis. Elias got sick, the Devils didn’t have to pay him, and they carried on. If the Devils, Flyers, or Bruins are over the cap, they’ll simply wait. Lou doesn’t have to sign both Gionta AND Gomez right away, after all. He can wait them out..... Trades, injuries, demotions. One day for him, is one less day for his enemies. ...... These teams aren’t in perfect situations, obviously, but I think the reports of their demises are greatly exaggerated at this point. Lammy Lou does it again. Those who are griping about it are either mad that they didn't think of it themselves, mad that they didn't get the first rounder San Jose did, or mad that the Devils are actually a better team than they were at the start of last year. They made a fair trade (actually a trade that they got screwed on), and they got TWO doctors to confirm that Mogilny is in fact unfit to play (theirs, and the independent doctor hired by Gary Bettman and the NHL). Mogilny's situation is no different than the one the Canadiens are in, with Franky Bouillon. Unless you think Bouillon's salary SHOULD count towards our cap, why would Mogilny's count towards New Jersey's? Until he shows otherwise, I still think Lamoreillo is the best GM in the league. Yes but it was Lou L. signing these 2 guys that got him into trouble in the first place. Mogilny's hip problems were well known before he rejoined the Devils & they signed him anyway. And it cost him a first rounder to rid himself of Malakhov. He's shown a talent for extricating himself out of a bad situation but he is not infallible. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 4, 2006 12:41:00 GMT -5
Yes he would ...and he would still get his 3.5 million. Are you sure? Bob McKenzie says that "if [Malakhov] showed up on the Sharks' doorstep ready to play, they would have to start paying him." If Malakhov shows up ... then San Jose could choose not to play him like New Jersey did last year. But the CBA clearly states that players over 35 who retire will have their salary counted towards the cap. Malakhov's salary is now counted towards San Jose's cap in exchange for a first rounder. What Bob meant , I would guess, is that if Malakhov showed up and wanted to play then San Jose would have a 3.5 million dollar liability they are paying for nothing .... just like they are now. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 4, 2006 12:47:08 GMT -5
Mogilny's situation is no different than the one the Canadiens are in, with Franky Bouillon. Unless you think Bouillon's salary SHOULD count towards our cap, why would Mogilny's count towards New Jersey's? Until he shows otherwise, I still think Lamoreillo is the best GM in the league. Mogilny's situation is totally different from Bouillon's. New Jersey sent Mogilny last year to the AHL ... they publicly stated that he wasn't going to be apart of the Devil's future. They had no intention of giving a roster spot, if healthy, to Mogilny. And futher to that, if his injury is so bad, the Devils are preventing (or at the very least not suggesting) him from retiring (some how  ). Also, Mogilny has played with this hip problem in the past, it isn't something that caused him to miss last season ... demoting him was what caused him to miss last season, the hip was the cause of his play ... even though I thought he had good stats. There is something fishy going on here ..... |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 4, 2006 16:59:03 GMT -5
Are you sure? Bob McKenzie says that "if [Malakhov] showed up on the Sharks' doorstep ready to play, they would have to start paying him." If Malakhov shows up ... then San Jose could choose not to play him like New Jersey did last year. But the CBA clearly states that players over 35 who retire will have their salary counted towards the cap. Malakhov's salary is now counted towards San Jose's cap in exchange for a first rounder. What Bob meant , I would guess, is that if Malakhov showed up and wanted to play then San Jose would have a 3.5 million dollar liability they are paying for nothing .... just like they are now. But he seems to be saying that even though the retired player's salary counts against the cap, he doesn't actually get paid. That would be AlMo's incentive to not retire. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 4, 2006 19:18:40 GMT -5
If Malakhov shows up ... then San Jose could choose not to play him like New Jersey did last year. But the CBA clearly states that players over 35 who retire will have their salary counted towards the cap. Malakhov's salary is now counted towards San Jose's cap in exchange for a first rounder. What Bob meant , I would guess, is that if Malakhov showed up and wanted to play then San Jose would have a 3.5 million dollar liability they are paying for nothing .... just like they are now. But he seems to be saying that even though the retired player's salary counts against the cap, he doesn't actually get paid. That would be AlMo's incentive to not retire. True. But aren't NHL contracts guaranteed? I know that insurance will pay for injury related contracts .... but voluntary retirement? hmmmmm makes more sense from that point of view. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 4, 2006 19:20:02 GMT -5
Until he shows otherwise, I still think Lamoreillo is the best GM in the league. You could 'compliment' him on the Mogilny issue, but the fact is that he traded a first rounder for Jim Fahey and the rights to Koryluk. Would you make that trade if you weren't pressured? And since the pressure started from a desperate contract signing, Lamoriello's going to have to wear this one. |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 4, 2006 19:33:25 GMT -5
Mogilny's situation is no different than the one the Canadiens are in, with Franky Bouillon. Unless you think Bouillon's salary SHOULD count towards our cap, why would Mogilny's count towards New Jersey's? Until he shows otherwise, I still think Lamoreillo is the best GM in the league. Mogilny's situation is totally different from Bouillon's. New Jersey sent Mogilny last year to the AHL ... they publicly stated that he wasn't going to be apart of the Devil's future. They had no intention of giving a roster spot, if healthy, to Mogilny. And futher to that, if his injury is so bad, the Devils are preventing (or at the very least not suggesting) him from retiring (some how ). Also, Mogilny has played with this hip problem in the past, it isn't something that caused him to miss last season ... demoting him was what caused him to miss last season, the hip was the cause of his play ... even though I thought he had good stats. There is something fishy going on here ..... This raises the question, in order for a player's salary not to count against the cap, does he have to be so badly injured that a doctor tells him he cannot play, or is it sufficient that his injury causes him to play badly? |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 4, 2006 19:41:06 GMT -5
Mogilny's situation is totally different from Bouillon's. New Jersey sent Mogilny last year to the AHL ... they publicly stated that he wasn't going to be apart of the Devil's future. They had no intention of giving a roster spot, if healthy, to Mogilny. And futher to that, if his injury is so bad, the Devils are preventing (or at the very least not suggesting) him from retiring (some how ). Also, Mogilny has played with this hip problem in the past, it isn't something that caused him to miss last season ... demoting him was what caused him to miss last season, the hip was the cause of his play ... even though I thought he had good stats. There is something fishy going on here ..... This raises the question, in order for a player's salary not to count against the cap, does he have to be so badly injured that a doctor tells him he cannot play, or is it sufficient that his injury causes him to play badly? How many of us went into a doctor's office healthy and asked for a doctor's note ....come on fess up. Doctor's will tell you whatever you want to hear , even in trials lawyers pay doctors to give differing opinions .... If Bettman wanted to find a doctor to stop Lou from using this loophole it could have been done. |
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). Also, Mogilny has played with this hip problem in the past, it isn't something that caused him to miss last season ... demoting him was what caused him to miss last season, the hip was the cause of his play ... even though I thought he had good stats.