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Post by habfan74 on Jan 4, 2006 15:43:57 GMT -5
Just read this on another forum, there is a rumor going around that the habs had made or are making a trade,
ribiero, zednik for Kyle calder, duncan keith & 3rd rd pick.
I hope this is just a rumor, it would be a steal for chicago.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 4, 2006 15:59:12 GMT -5
Yuk! A 30 goals scorer and a 65 pts center for a glorified grinder and a small/soft dmen project...
Goodness.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 4, 2006 16:09:47 GMT -5
Yuk! A 30 goals scorer and a 65 pts center for a glorified grinder and a small/soft dmen project... Goodness. If you look strickly at the numbers from past seasons, yes this does look like a bad trade. However, in the reality of the new NHL, Ribs has very little worth on the market. We can't expect big returns for him. What would YOU expect for him?? Zednik on the other hand is still valuable although he is one-dimensional. Calder is a bottle of energy everytime he steps onto the ice, a Gainey type of player if you will. I agree with you that Keith is a project, however, TSN states that he's got potential to being a PP quarterback, something the Habs really need. A 3rd round pick is nothing to sneeze at either. Both players are still quite young, (26 and 22 respectively) and cheap. I, like you, would rather have much more...ie Mark Bell , etc...but, I am not so sure this is such a bad deal. THF |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 4, 2006 16:22:48 GMT -5
If you look strickly at the numbers from past seasons, yes this does look like a bad trade. However, in the reality of the new NHL, Ribs has very little worth on the market. We can't expect big returns for him. What would YOU expect for him?? . Nothing of course, Ribeiro is worthless and if we were just lucky enough to dump him we'd be better by substraction. Zednik on the other hand is still valuable although he is one-dimensional. Calder is a bottle of energy everytime he steps onto the ice, a Gainey type of player if you will. I fully agree. We would be way better with Calder's 20 goals upsides and some dead weights instead of Ribeiro and Zednik. I would be tempted to add Markov in the mix if they would be willing to add superstar MAtt BArnaby on the deal. C'mon Bob pull the trigger, what's taking so long ? |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 4, 2006 16:24:56 GMT -5
If you look strickly at the numbers from past seasons, yes this does look like a bad trade. However, in the reality of the new NHL, Ribs has very little worth on the market. We can't expect big returns for him. What would YOU expect for him?? Nothing of course, Ribeiro is worthless and if we were just lucky enough to dump him we'd be better by substraction. Zednik on the other hand is still valuable although he is one-dimensional. Calder is a bottle of energy everytime he steps onto the ice, a Gainey type of player if you will. I fully agree. We would be way better with Calder's 20 goals upsides and some dead weights instead of Ribeiro and Zednik. C'mon Bob pull the trigger, what's taking so long ? Thanks for the reply....I was just wondering!  But , I do agree with your assumption that Ribs is worthless. Carry on!  THF |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 4, 2006 17:04:10 GMT -5
Perhaps it's better to deal with another team in a state of weakness...especially one from the West. Less chance of them taking advantage of us. Still not a good situation....but maybe the least painful.
Wouldn't be surprise if BG's talking to St. Louis and Columbus as well.
Hindsight tells me that Bob should have kept Garon and traded Theo for some much needed help on D with that freed-up cap space.
Not that I think Theo is to blame for this horrid slump....but it's a slump that likely wouldn't have occured with better coverage IN our zone, and better puck movement OUT....and Garon's play speaks for itself.
We certainly wouldn't have been worse off.
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Post by Bob on Jan 4, 2006 17:11:06 GMT -5
Chicago has a glut of young defensemen with Vandermeer, Seabrook, Barker, Babchuk and Keith. Keith looks like the most expendable (smallest and softest) at this time. I would prefer one of the others but then again if we are going to give up small and soft (Ribeiro) why would be expect something more in return.
Calder for Zednik might add some hustle to the Habs but we are giving up size and Zed is more proven as a goal scorer. The third round pick would even it out.
All in all, it is a sideways move but it might open the door for Perezhogin if he decided to take advantage of the opportunity while adding some enthusiasm.
If Perez did happen to replace Zednik, then Calder would be battling against Dagenais for another LW spot. Advantage Calder.
On defense, Keith would be battling against Streit, Bouillon and Komisarek on defense. Given the play of our D-men so far this year, one of that trio would probably be gone.
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Post by blny on Jan 4, 2006 18:39:24 GMT -5
The deal is all over hfboards. It's a $hitty deal for Montreal as it stands. The only way Chicago gets two offensive players is if they up the ante. It's gonna take a Seabrook or Barker.
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Post by jkr on Jan 4, 2006 18:59:17 GMT -5
Yuk! A 30 goals scorer and a 65 pts center for a glorified grinder and a small/soft dmen project... Goodness. I'm with you on this one. Who makes this stuff up? Calder is listed on ESPN as under 6 foot/180 lbs. How is a guy of that size who looks to score 15 goals this year going to solve the Habs second line LW problem? I would be more interested in Tyler Arnason. He is bigger & has a little more scoring touch. And Seabrook instead of Keith as long as we're making stuff up. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 4, 2006 20:09:59 GMT -5
Chicago lost its 8th in a row last night, a lame 5-0 loss against Ty "Just Shoot on Me" Conklin and the Oil. They are in a funk, with a host of great young prospects, so likely are looking for something up front to offset all those goals that the Bulin Wall and that young D is giving up. They would be a good trading partner, especially if we could get a good young D prospect out of them, but it would not come cheap.
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Post by jkr on Jan 4, 2006 20:24:36 GMT -5
Chicago lost its 8th in a row last night, a lame 5-0 loss against Ty "Just Shoot on Me" Conklin and the Oil. They are in a funk, with a host of great young prospects, so likely are looking for something up front to offset all those goals that the Bulin Wall and that young D is giving up. They would be a good trading partner, especially if we could get a good young D prospect out of them, but it would not come cheap. I read Jim Kelley's article on sportsnet.ca today. He included a small piece about Dale Tallon and his inexperience. He recently berated his team & threatened big changes. The Hawks promptly lost 4 straight. Sounds like he might be in a frame of mind to do something. Kelley also mentioned that the Hawks have alienated the local papers to the degree that they didn't send reporters on their last western swing. I had a lok at the Tribune and Sun Times websites & it looks like they were picking up AP reports for the games. Makes it hard to pick up on rumors etc. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 4, 2006 21:24:05 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one. Who makes this stuff up? Calder is listed on ESPN as under 6 foot/180 lbs. How is a guy of that size who looks to score 15 goals this year going to solve the Habs second line LW problem? I would be more interested in Tyler Arnason. He is bigger & has a little more scoring touch. And Seabrook instead of Keith as long as we're making stuff up. ...it's just guys getting excited about trading for the sake of it... When you look at all the individual parts we have the makings of a good team and we showed it early in the season. I don't think Gainey will crush this team for a Houle type trade like the one suggested in this thread. |
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 4, 2006 23:21:17 GMT -5
A 3rd round pick is nothing to sneeze at either. I thought it was official team policy to sneeze at 3rd round picks! Off the top of my head, we lost 3rd rounders in the Berezin and Garon deals, I'm sure there's a ton more examples. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 5, 2006 0:26:49 GMT -5
Two proven NHL scorers for a dime a dozen grinder and a defenseman who is projected to be a miniature version of Brisebois? Is that good asset management and wise trading?
Tell you what, they can have Bonk for Aucoin. And if they need their ice to be grazed on, we'll throw in Dagenais.....
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Post by larek on Jan 5, 2006 2:57:04 GMT -5
agree
Calder as small as Ribiero
why bother making the deal
how much effective grit can you get from a small player like that?
Keith a very raw young Dman
who is getting some negatives on BlackHawk boards
he should be back in the minors getting some experience
Like your trade proposal!
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2006 7:37:55 GMT -5
agree Calder as small as Ribiero why bother making the deal how much effective grit can you get from a small player like that? Keith a very raw young Dman who is getting some negatives on BlackHawk boards he should be back in the minors getting some experience Like your trade proposal! Might want to chill a bit. It's not "his" proposal. He saw it elsewhere. |
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Post by larek on Jan 5, 2006 12:53:37 GMT -5
might want to chill a bit? LOL
whats that about?
im not critisizing the poster
just my thoughts on the rumour.
my last line like your trade proposal
concerns Habsaddict proposal.
NO animosity here.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 6, 2006 20:59:01 GMT -5
Hindsight tells me that Bob should have kept Garon and traded Theo for some much needed help on D with that freed-up cap space. Not that I think Theo is to blame for this horrid slump....but it's a slump that likely wouldn't have occured with better coverage IN our zone, and better puck movement OUT....and Garon's play speaks for itself. We certainly wouldn't have been worse off. That was the main point at the heart of the Garon vs. Theo debates; the fact that the team wouldn't have been that much worse off. Unfortunately for us, with the team doing so bad now, any trade Bob makes will be from a position of weakness. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 8, 2006 14:56:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us, with the team doing so bad now, any trade Bob makes will be from a position of weakness. ...the great trade vicious circle... Don't trade when you're in a slump because you're dealing from a weak point. Don't trade when you're winning because you'll distrupt the chemistry. |
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Post by mic on Jan 8, 2006 16:01:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us, with the team doing so bad now, any trade Bob makes will be from a position of weakness. ...the great trade vicious circle... Don't trade when you're in a slump because you're dealing from a weak point. Don't trade when you're winning because you'll distrupt the chemistry. And don't trade a player who's in a slump because his value is low. Don't trade a good player because he's too valuable to the team. That makes me remember when, a few seasons ago, just after Théodore won the Vezina, BC (or was it HA?) suggested to trade Théodore for Iginla (who had won the Art Ross) because his value was at a all-time high. |
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