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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 10, 2003 20:42:00 GMT -5
just wanna know..was this posted by a fan on their message board or on the front page of the website by the admins of the site? Marc, how long have I done this ? If it had been a fan post I would have posted that fan's name and mentioned it was from that guy... I'm not some internet rookie for Pete's sake... It was on the main site with a link in the msg board. It's new thing they're puting together called The Rumour Mill. Obviously they want to compete with TFP and Spectors for gathering rumors... They were mentioning us, Rangers, Toronto and Colorado as the main suitors. ...But the minute the word got out about the trade, the link was gone... and now I look like I am fabricating stuff  |
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Post by FormerLurker on Feb 10, 2003 20:46:48 GMT -5
I'll leave nothing in the dustbin. If I'd come across a rumor about Savard getting Modano for Andreas Dackell I'd let people know of it. I don't post crap and I think McKeen's is a relatively serious site. I think the pople of this board are intelligent enough to have an educated opinion that doesn't need me or anyone to hide what they come across in case it doesn't serve their position correctly. Sorry Doc, I didn't mean that the rumour should go unmentioned. I just meant that the rumour should not be used as ammunition against Savard. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 10, 2003 20:49:19 GMT -5
...But the minute the word got out about the trade, the link was gone... and now I look like I am fabricating stuff actually...I never thought that...just wanted to know who put it up...  |
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Post by FormerLurker on Feb 10, 2003 20:49:20 GMT -5
...But the minute the word got out about the trade, the link was gone... and now I look like I am fabricating stuff Doc, you absolutely do not look like you're fabricating stuff. I didn't even check McKeen's, I and everybody else here believe you when you say it was there. This is not HF. |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 10, 2003 20:52:16 GMT -5
Seventeen, one of the things not mentioned here is that the NHL is looking for a new TV deal. The biggest market is New York so it makes sense for the Rangers to make the playoffs. Even if Bettman does not like all the money that NY is throwing around, a healthy NY team is a good thing for the NHL.
The problem with all this is that it makes a mockery of the league. Mario the Moron is complaining of not having any fans and in the same time he has stripped his team to nothing. Basically, he bought thre team to pay himself. Let him fold and lose his shirt.
What annoys me is whydidn't other teams step in? Toronto management yapsa mile a minute how they want the cup but are unwilling to spend for it. Kovolev would put them in very serious contention for the cup.
The question now is will the rest of the have nots sell their assets for nickwels and dimes? Are we goingto be buyers? Or did Savards willingness to part with major money for average players shoot that idea in the head?
Never mind, I know the answer.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 10, 2003 20:56:04 GMT -5
Sorry Doc, I didn't mean that the rumour should go unmentioned. I just meant that the rumour should not be used as ammunition against Savard. Fair enough, but as Seventeen and PTH pointed out the rumored trade had it's pros and cons. I did not like it because I'd like for the HABS to go into a youth movement rather then trade youngsters to get a star 2 yrs away from being a free agent. But that being said Kovalev for Hossa/Markov can be defended as a trade that would favor the HABS. Kovalev is and will remain among the league's elite player. Markov is a good dmen and Hossa is a prospect with tons of upside but neither are among the NHL's elite and the only one with an outside chance at it is Markov. Before the trade actually happenned names like Antropov, Skoula and Tanguay were going around so Markov and Hossa did not look out of place. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 10, 2003 21:01:50 GMT -5
"You know, the landlord rang my front door bell-- I let it ring for a long, long spell-- I looked through the window, I peeked through the blind, And asked him to tell me what was on his mind. He said, "Money, honey! Money, honey! Money, honey, If you wanna get along with me." - www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?sid=%BF%84%EF%A4%05%F2%0A%EF(Click above) I can't believe the NHL would allow such a blatant salary dump. Anyone want to care what the attendance in Pittsburgh will be from now until the end of the season?? |
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Post by Lord Stanley on Feb 10, 2003 21:02:24 GMT -5
With what it costed NY I don't think we would have had to part with both of them...maybe a Hainsey and some other cheap Crappy players would have been enough..with the 4 millions too of course But the problem is that most of this 4 million is sleeping in Hamilton (Audette and Lindsay) so even if we had the players, we didn't have the money...Oh well, we will have to wait for Magnus Arvedson ro be a free agent...  |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 10, 2003 21:03:28 GMT -5
Money Honey(Click above) I can't believe the NHL would allow such a blatant salary dump. Anyone want to care what the attendance in Pittsburgh will be from now until the end of the season?? Four blind mice? |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 10, 2003 21:07:03 GMT -5
Marc, how long have I done this ? If it had been a fan post I would have posted that fan's name and mentioned it was from that guy... I'm not some internet rookie for Pete's sake... It was on the main site with a link in the msg board. It's new thing they're puting together called The Rumour Mill. Obviously they want to compete with TFP and Spectors for gathering rumors... They were mentioning us, Rangers, Toronto and Colorado as the main suitors. ...But the minute the word got out about the trade, the link was gone... and now I look like I am fabricating stuff Not that you needed my backing, but I saw the article too. Said that Montreal had "quietly become a front runner for Kovalev" and that "while this may seem as a surprise, Montreal has good prospect depth, and an owner with money to spend." Or something like that. |
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Post by FormerLurker on Feb 10, 2003 21:07:46 GMT -5
Fair enough, but as Seventeen and PTH pointed out the rumored trade had it's pros and cons. I did not like it because I'd like for the HABS to go into a youth movement rather then trade youngsters to get a star 2 yrs away from being a free agent. But that being said Kovalev for Hossa/Markov can be defended as a trade that would favor the HABS. Kovalev is and will remain among the league's elite player. Markov is a good dmen and Hossa is a prospect with tons of upside but neither are among the NHL's elite and the only one with an outside chance at it is Markov. Before the trade actually happenned names like Antropov, Skoula and Tanguay were going around so Markov and Hossa did not look out of place. Yup, absolutely this rumour (and all others) should and will be debated on the basis of its value to each team. But the problem with rumours is that fans tend to turn them into fact, and I wanted to try to stop that from happening with this one. I've read people dissin' Savard for the rumoured deals that he didn't make, and it irks me. That's my problem, I guess. Maybe I should just stay away from HF! Cheers. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 10, 2003 22:09:40 GMT -5
With what it costed NY I don't think we would have had to part with both of them...maybe a Hainsey and some other cheap Crappy players would have been enough..with the 4 millions too of course Not even Maybe Kilger+Bulis+Traverse+Bouillon Bulis is similar to Samuellson Kilger is similar to Fata(Bigger..not as fast..but both have stone hands and no brain) Traverse is similar to Bouchard(slight edge to Joel) Bouillon equals Lintner... This is good for any future big name deals though..the asking price is coming down...if Habs can get rid of a boatload of contracts...we could be in for a nice surprise next year... |
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Feb 11, 2003 1:03:22 GMT -5
A few things........
If the Habs proposed Markov and Hossa and the Pens said no then Mario should be stripped of his ownership title and Patrick taken to the street and shot...
Kilger+Bulis+Traverse+Bouillon is a better package than what we gave............
This is a great deal for us, but we are still unlikely to make the POs simply due to the math. Not completely out of it now, but need to go on a huge tear. Most importantly, need Leetch and Bure back, especially Leetch.....
Lastly, I'm offended by the title of this thread... why do our players get boosted up to scrap from crap? They should be properly refered to as the crap that they were. ;D
The 3 guys we inherited don't even make that much, Laukkanen at 1.something, the other 2 don't even make a mil, no?... I don't get it, we'll just send Wilson to Hartford, Lacouture on the 4th line, and leave Laukkanen on the IR until he's a FA.....
Man Pittsburgh is a joke... they got no one who will ever 20 goals in this deal and we've got one who already has this season.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2003 1:14:31 GMT -5
Exactly, which is why the conspiracy people are out in force. As Spector said on his site, you take Kovalev out of the equation and it's a reasonable 7 player trade. Hmmm, is it that important to get the Rangers into the PO?
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Feb 11, 2003 1:23:28 GMT -5
Conspiracy people are just talking outta their ass..... even the Toronto supposed deals blew... just like the Jagr deal blew, just like Bure deal blew, just like the Weight deal blew, just like every other big name guy dealt deal is going to blow between now and 2004.
I think Bobby Clarke was right about him being able to pretty much buy any big salary player he wants without giving up much in return. Teams want to move contracts, the league's finances are in disarray because there are too many teams in poor markets with too high costs of business. That's just the way it goes... watch what happens after this... all the deals will be like that, Rangers or not.
The only conspiracy is the one the Rangers have been pulling over their fans for the past 6 years with these sucky teams. Looks like that's finally going to change.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2003 1:26:57 GMT -5
It's still so one-sided that...well, I don't know exactly what. What if.....no matter what the NHL says, the dollars changing hands are much bigger than $4MM? Then it becomes a little more understandable. But we have to believe the NHL, right?
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 11, 2003 9:08:47 GMT -5
Lastly, I'm offended by the title of this thread... why do our players get boosted up to scrap from crap? They should be properly refered to as the crap that they were. ;D well...IMO...Fata could turn into something decent...Sammy is decent...Bouchard was decent enough for you this year...Lintner has alot of talent but just can't use it Lacouture sucks. 4th line at best Laukkanen is injured and is nothing close to the d-man he was with Ottawa Mike Wilson = bust So Pens got scrap in return of crap(if you forget about Kovy and the $$) |
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