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Post by habsburgher on Mar 9, 2006 20:30:00 GMT -5
With no major transaction to add payroll and overall talent the Theo trade does not look quite as good to me.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 10, 2006 12:39:02 GMT -5
And who exactly should Bob Gainey have added with that extra money?
The players who were traded yesterday, were mostly "rental" players that went for more than they should have. Would we be happy today if Bob spent that extra money on Mark Recchi, or on Eric Weinrich? Brendan Witt would've been good but he went for a 1st rd. pick. A steep price IMO.
I would rather have Bob save that money and use it in the offseason to sign free agents or to re-sign Hab free agents.
Just because Gainey didn't spend the money right away, does not take the luster away from this deal.
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Post by habsburgher on Mar 10, 2006 16:21:31 GMT -5
Not sure i guess the extra money will come in handy in the off-season. Sounds like I pissed you off, not my intention. And who exactly should Bob Gainey have added with that extra money? The players who were traded yesterday, were mostly "rental" players that went for more than they should have. Would we be happy today if Bob spent that extra money on Mark Recchi, or on Eric Weinrich? Brendan Witt would've been good but he went for a 1st rd. pick. A steep price IMO. I would rather have Bob save that money and use it in the offseason to sign free agents or to re-sign Hab free agents. Just because Gainey didn't spend the money right away, does not take the luster away from this deal.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 10, 2006 17:58:12 GMT -5
Not sure i guess the extra money will come in handy in the off-season. Sounds like I pissed you off, not my intention. Sorry habsburgher, I didn't mean to come across wrong. I wasn't pissed off at all. I just asked the question out of curiosity. I apologize if you took my post the wrong way.
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Post by jkr on Mar 10, 2006 18:48:30 GMT -5
The other thing we have to realize is that other deals may have fallen through.
I have heard on media outlets in Toronto that the Habs made serious inquiries about Bertuzzi.
Who knows what was happening.
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Post by habsburgher on Mar 11, 2006 13:29:10 GMT -5
Not sure i guess the extra money will come in handy in the off-season. Sounds like I pissed you off, not my intention. Sorry habsburgher, I didn't mean to come across wrong. I wasn't pissed off at all. I just asked the question out of curiosity. I apologize if you took my post the wrong way. No problem Ghost....I really enjoy your posts and your insight. I probally took it the wrong way. GOHABSGO
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Post by jimmyjazz on Mar 11, 2006 14:31:10 GMT -5
I too was waiting for something to happen. Not a blockbuster, but something of greater importance than Simpson at least lol.
On the other hand, I woulnd't have liked to sacrifice any of the youngsters on the team for a rental player, and it seems most teams were asking Gainey for Higgins, Kots, Plekanec, etc. So it's better that way.
Also, most trades involved draft picks, and I wouldn't have liked Gainey to trade our first rounder. Yes the draft isn't deep this year, but it's one more reason to draft as high as possible...
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Post by jkr on Mar 16, 2006 20:16:42 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this but I watching RDS last night. They can't let go it seems. They went back 4 - 5 years for Theodore's 10 best moments. Nine were saves, one was the goal against the Isles in 2001.
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Post by habsburgher on Mar 19, 2006 13:56:09 GMT -5
After last night vs. the Penguins it lost alot of luster.
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Post by jkr on Mar 23, 2006 9:05:17 GMT -5
The Avs have allowed 5 goals each in 2 of their last 3 games, both losses. Yesterday they lost 5 -4 in OT despite leading 4 -1 going into the 3rd.
I'm sure the trade does not have much luster in Denver right now.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 28, 2006 12:49:22 GMT -5
I'm sure the trade does not have much luster in Denver right now. ...but Theodore hasn't played yet... Considering their current goaltending situation (Budaj) and looking at what's been their starter this year (Aebs), I think Theodore can only make a favorable impression. Just because Gainey didn't spend the money right away, does not take the luster away from this deal. I would agree no luster has been taken away since this trade had no luster to begin with...
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Post by cigarviper on May 12, 2006 11:51:36 GMT -5
Ducks sweep Avalanche 4-0 Looks like a good trade to me.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2006 16:56:26 GMT -5
Howeverrrrrr ... this journalist thinks otherwise. He's tagged Pierre Lacroix.
Avs stuck between salary cap and a hard place By Mark Kiszla Denver Post Staff Columnist
The hockey season officially ended for the Avalanche at 10:34 p.m. Thursday, with a 4-1 loss to Anaheim.
But it was all over for your local NHL heroes long ago.
Circle Aug. 3, 2005, on the calendar in black. That was the day the Avalanche died.
That was the night Colorado said bye-bye to superstar Peter Forsberg. But know what was far worse?
That was also the night Colorado signed center Pierre Turgeon and defenseman Patrice Brisebois, two regrettable moves by general manager Pierre Lacroix that mocked the Avs as they were swept from the playoffs by Anaheim.
The Avs we knew and loved are gone.
A team with admirable grit was booed in its home arena during Game 4.
Fans repeatedly took the name of Brisebois in vain. After his awful mistakes set up two scores by the Ducks, he was jeered so often I wondered if the name on his Avs sweater had been changed to Boosbois.
Brisebois is a stand-up guy. He sat there and took every tough question in the Avalanche locker room.
Trouble is, Brisebois is also a stand-still defender. The 35-year-old veteran wore cement skates as a hapless witness to the Ducks' second goal, he was outraced behind his own net by Anaheim's Chris Kunitz on a play that should have been whistled dead as icing with one simple touch by the Avalanche defenseman.
"I lost the puck," Brisebois confessed.
And the Avs have lost their way.
The best you can say about Turgeon is he did nothing wrong in Game 4. In fact, Turgeon did nothing more than jump rope. He was a scratch, so poorly regarded by coach Joel Quenneville the veteran was not in uniform with the season on the line.
In years past, Colorado could cover personnel mistakes by Lacroix with the money of billionaire owner Stan Kroenke.
No more. The Avs are in a heap of trouble with the new salary cap.
Turgeon, Brisebois and recently acquired goalie Jose Theodore count in excess of $8 million next season against the cap, which this year limited team payrolls to $39 million.
You do the math, and try not to weep.
Any way the big cash is stacked, the Avs have wasted roughly 20 percent of their budget for talent on a washed-up 36-year-old center, the clueless, defenseless Brisebois and a net-minder who surrendered more than three goals per game in the playoffs.
When Forsberg departed Colorado, I looked at his history of chronic injuries and understood why Lacroix thought the Avs could no longer afford him.
But the Flyers acquired Forsberg for an average salary of $5.75 million, far less than the money Lacroix is gambling on Turgeon, Brisebois and Theodore.
Even if Forsberg is physically able to play no more than 50 percent of the time, he is twice as good as Turgeon, Brisebois and Theodore combined.
Every Avs fan with a heart felt blood pressure rise in anger at the offseason acquisition of Brad May, who put the bounty on the head of Steve Moore before the infamous neck-breaking shot by Vancouver's Todd Bertuzzi.
Signing May was so cold-blooded you had to wonder if ice ran in the veins of Lacroix. But picking up May as a fourth-line grinder was forgivable.
To think Brisebois or Turgeon could help the Avs, however, was an unpardonable sin against the salary cap.
Turgeon scored zero goals in nine playoff games.
Embarrassing Brisebois miscues were the primary reasons the Ducks won the final two games against Colorado.
Old and slow is no way to go through life in the NHL these days.
It does not take a skater raised on a frozen pond in Minnesota to see the new NHL, with every new rule and each penalty designed to open the ice, is based on puck possession and speed.
Brisebois cannot control the puck in the defensive end. Father Time took Turgeon's speed long before he slogged into town.
"Anaheim has got a lot of good assets on its side. You can call it the superfecta. They've got size, they've got speed, they've got skill and they've got youth," Quenneville said. "The game now is quickness and speed."
Lacroix did not see it coming.
And the NHL has passed by Colorado.
In a blur.
Aug. 3, 2005. That was the day the Avalanche died.
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Post by jkr on May 14, 2006 17:10:20 GMT -5
Howeverrrrrr ... this journalist thinks otherwise. He's tagged Pierre Lacroix. Avs stuck between salary cap and a hard place By Mark Kiszla Denver Post Staff Columnist
The hockey season officially ended for the Avalanche at 10:34 p.m. Thursday, with a 4-1 loss to Anaheim.
But it was all over for your local NHL heroes long ago.
Circle Aug. 3, 2005, on the calendar in black. That was the day the Avalanche died.
That was the night Colorado said bye-bye to superstar Peter Forsberg. But know what was far worse?
That was also the night Colorado signed center Pierre Turgeon and defenseman Patrice Brisebois, two regrettable moves by general manager Pierre Lacroix that mocked the Avs as they were swept from the playoffs by Anaheim.
The Avs we knew and loved are gone.
A team with admirable grit was booed in its home arena during Game 4.
Fans repeatedly took the name of Brisebois in vain. After his awful mistakes set up two scores by the Ducks, he was jeered so often I wondered if the name on his Avs sweater had been changed to Boosbois.
Brisebois is a stand-up guy. He sat there and took every tough question in the Avalanche locker room.
Trouble is, Brisebois is also a stand-still defender. The 35-year-old veteran wore cement skates as a hapless witness to the Ducks' second goal, he was outraced behind his own net by Anaheim's Chris Kunitz on a play that should have been whistled dead as icing with one simple touch by the Avalanche defenseman.
"I lost the puck," Brisebois confessed.
And the Avs have lost their way.
The best you can say about Turgeon is he did nothing wrong in Game 4. In fact, Turgeon did nothing more than jump rope. He was a scratch, so poorly regarded by coach Joel Quenneville the veteran was not in uniform with the season on the line.
In years past, Colorado could cover personnel mistakes by Lacroix with the money of billionaire owner Stan Kroenke.
No more. The Avs are in a heap of trouble with the new salary cap.
Turgeon, Brisebois and recently acquired goalie Jose Theodore count in excess of $8 million next season against the cap, which this year limited team payrolls to $39 million.
You do the math, and try not to weep.
Any way the big cash is stacked, the Avs have wasted roughly 20 percent of their budget for talent on a washed-up 36-year-old center, the clueless, defenseless Brisebois and a net-minder who surrendered more than three goals per game in the playoffs.
When Forsberg departed Colorado, I looked at his history of chronic injuries and understood why Lacroix thought the Avs could no longer afford him.
But the Flyers acquired Forsberg for an average salary of $5.75 million, far less than the money Lacroix is gambling on Turgeon, Brisebois and Theodore.
Even if Forsberg is physically able to play no more than 50 percent of the time, he is twice as good as Turgeon, Brisebois and Theodore combined.
Every Avs fan with a heart felt blood pressure rise in anger at the offseason acquisition of Brad May, who put the bounty on the head of Steve Moore before the infamous neck-breaking shot by Vancouver's Todd Bertuzzi.
Signing May was so cold-blooded you had to wonder if ice ran in the veins of Lacroix. But picking up May as a fourth-line grinder was forgivable.
To think Brisebois or Turgeon could help the Avs, however, was an unpardonable sin against the salary cap.
Turgeon scored zero goals in nine playoff games.
Embarrassing Brisebois miscues were the primary reasons the Ducks won the final two games against Colorado.
Old and slow is no way to go through life in the NHL these days.
It does not take a skater raised on a frozen pond in Minnesota to see the new NHL, with every new rule and each penalty designed to open the ice, is based on puck possession and speed.
Brisebois cannot control the puck in the defensive end. Father Time took Turgeon's speed long before he slogged into town.
"Anaheim has got a lot of good assets on its side. You can call it the superfecta. They've got size, they've got speed, they've got skill and they've got youth," Quenneville said. "The game now is quickness and speed."
Lacroix did not see it coming.
And the NHL has passed by Colorado.
In a blur.
Aug. 3, 2005. That was the day the Avalanche died. WOW - the guy doesn't pull any punches. However, he doesn't talk about the bigger problem - that Sakic & Blake are UFAs to be.
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