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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 8, 2006 7:14:59 GMT -5
According to Spectors, Pednault was recently floating a rumor that Dallas and Montreal are in talks about Arnott, who apparently clearly wants out of Dallas. Dallas who would like to salvage a little something for Arnott would trade his right to Montreal so that Bob inks him before the July 1st...
While I don't know if there is any real substance to that rumor, I truly believe that Carbo/Gainey will indeed go to great lenght to acquire/sign Jason Arnott.
Could Dallas be interested in trading the rights to Arnott for Bonk?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 8, 2006 7:42:27 GMT -5
According to Spectors, Pednault was recently floating a rumor that Dallas and Montreal are in talks about Arnott, who apparently clearly wants out of Dallas. Dallas who would like to salvage a little something for Arnott would trade his right to Montreal so that Bob inks him before the July 1st... While I don't know if there is any real substance to that rumor, I truly believe that Carbo/Gainey will indeed go to great lenght to acquire/sign Jason Arnott. Could Dallas be interested in trading the rights to Arnott for Bonk? Both he and Brenden Morrow would look good in a Habs uniform, but I doubt the Stars would part with both. Besides a trade like that would change the chemistry of the Habs dressing room big time. Looked up some stats on Arnott, Doc. I guess he potted 32 goals in his rookie year and his highest total since has been 28. But, I looked at this plus/minus stats and with the exception of one year, he's been impressive. To me it suggests that he does a lot of good things without the puck. Be nice if this comes to fruition. Cheers. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 8, 2006 8:31:42 GMT -5
He had his best year last year as far as points go, and at 31 years of age he still has a couple of good years left in him.
However, if I were him, I would be looking for a long term contract something around 4 to 5 years and IMHO, I would not sign him for anymore than 2-3 years.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 8, 2006 11:37:12 GMT -5
He had his best year last year as far as points go, and at 31 years of age he still has a couple of good years left in him. However, if I were him, I would be looking for a long term contract something around 4 to 5 years and IMHO, I would not sign him for anymore than 2-3 years. Exactly. With the year that he had last year, it's doubtful that he'd sign before July 1st rather than test the market. He'd look great as a Hab, but will end up earning way more than he's worth. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 8, 2006 14:47:16 GMT -5
Is seems that we've had a string of 6'4" guys who were brought in to be #1 centers and didn't produce the numbers we expected.
Linden, Zubrus, Kilger, Bonk,
Add one more to the revolving door.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 8, 2006 16:17:09 GMT -5
Arnott would be nice, but I wonder at what price?
Bonk? Ribeiro?
Gainey acquired Arnott while he was in Dallas so there's definitely a connection there. I just wonder how much of this rumour is just a rumour and how much of it is true.
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 8, 2006 17:03:46 GMT -5
I've come to be skeptical about any rumours concerning the Habs. Unless I hear it from Gainey's own lips...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 8, 2006 19:12:35 GMT -5
Arnott would be nice, but I wonder at what price? Bonk? Ribeiro? Gainey acquired Arnott while he was in Dallas so there's definitely a connection there. I just wonder how much of this rumour is just a rumour and how much of it is true. The thing is, I read elsewhere that Arnott is an UFA as of July 1st. If, and I say "if", Gainey is talking to Dallas, I'm wondering if it isn't a bigger deal. I mean, negotiating with a club for a player who is an UFA soon, really isn't good business. Unless there's more to the deal. Maybe it has something to do with, I don't know, the rights to a specific player, draft choices, prospects, what have you. Dallas has the assets Gainey is looking for, but does Gainey have the horses to go back the other way? You know how tight he is with his prospects. As soon as they come into the mix, he'll back off. I can't say this is the scenario, FG. But, to negotiate with a club over a player who is an UFA very soon, just isn't good business. Perhaps there's more to it. Perhaps it's all moot. Who knows. Cheers. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 8, 2006 21:04:27 GMT -5
Arnott would be nice, but I wonder at what price? Bonk? Ribeiro? Gainey acquired Arnott while he was in Dallas so there's definitely a connection there. I just wonder how much of this rumour is just a rumour and how much of it is true. The thing is, I read elsewhere that Arnott is an UFA as of July 1st. If, and I say "if", Gainey is talking to Dallas, I'm wondering if it isn't a bigger deal. I mean, negotiating with a club for a player who is an UFA soon, really isn't good business. Unless there's more to the deal. Maybe it has something to do with, I don't know, the rights to a specific player, draft choices, prospects, what have you. Dallas has the assets Gainey is looking for, but does Gainey have the horses to go back the other way? You know how tight he is with his prospects. As soon as they come into the mix, he'll back off. I can't say this is the scenario, FG. But, to negotiate with a club over a player who is an UFA very soon, just isn't good business. Perhaps there's more to it. Perhaps it's all moot. Who knows. Cheers. It would have to be the negotiation of his new contract if indeed he's talking to Arnott with the blessings of Dallas management. As much as I try to imagine it, I can't seem to get excited if this is all true. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him to feel the hype. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 9, 2006 6:57:57 GMT -5
I can't say this is the scenario, FG. But, to negotiate with a club over a player who is an UFA very soon, just isn't good business. Perhaps there's more to it. Perhaps it's all moot. Who knows. Cheers. On XM last night they said BG was more interested in trading for players than signing free agents. They didn't mention anything about Dallas or any other team in fact, but just made the statement that he had guys that he wanted to "get rid of" and the best way to do that was to package some of them in some deals. So maybe that's why he looking at Dallas signing Arnott first for a sign and trade type deal, therefore killing two birds with one stone. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 9, 2006 7:47:19 GMT -5
NO! I think the cap space Arnott would take up would FAR outweigh his contributions on the ice. What are we talking about for Arnott? $5MM? More, less? He's big but he's not particularly fast and he's not a playmaker. He's effective on the forecheck and I guess he's fine defensively but I think this signing would be a big risk. At least with Koivu and Kovalev you KNOW they are capable of stepping up and being a real difference maker in crunch time. I just have never thought of Jason Arnott that way - he had a great playoff with the Devils a few years back and he's coming off a career year in Dallas, but we cannot afford to blow cap space on a guy who doesn't really fit the profile of this team.
I would rather keep Bonk, even Ribeiro, and focus on another dman and a scoring winger. I still want another centre, I'm just not sure Arnott is the guy. I would rather swing a trade for Lecavalier or sign Briere than overpay for Arnott.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 9, 2006 12:20:11 GMT -5
NO! I think the cap space Arnott would take up would FAR outweigh his contributions on the ice. What are we talking about for Arnott? $5MM? More, less? Well, he's making just under $3 million as it is now and he counted 76 points (81 games) last season. Though our top point getter was Kovalev with 65 pts (in 69 games), Arnott might ask for the same cash. However, I can't see Gainey trading up without signing the guy. Like CV suggests, I figure a deal in principal would have to be in place first and the salary set before he did anything. I can't say for sure, but the package going the other way might free up a percentage of what Gainey figures to be fair. But, I'm not a GM. Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 9, 2006 17:33:56 GMT -5
Arnott would be nice, but I wonder at what price? Bonk? Ribeiro? I can't say this is the scenario, FG. But, to negotiate with a club over a player who is an UFA very soon, just isn't good business. Perhaps there's more to it. Perhaps it's all moot. Who knows. Cheers. Isn't that what Gainey did in the Bonk trade - acquire him just a week or so before he became a UFA? If he wants him, why not wait until July 1. I'd rather wait & take that chance than give up an asset for a a guy who will be UFA in 2 - 3 weeks. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 10, 2006 23:32:50 GMT -5
Isn't that what Gainey did in the Bonk trade - acquire him just a week or so before he became a UFA? I think he was going to be an RFA who'd be a UFA a year later if he wasn't signed long-term, much like Houle did in getting Linden, who was a year from UFA-dom when we traded for him and signed him to a 3 or 4 year deal. ---- As to Arnott, no thanks at the kind of money he'll be getting. I'd much rather target a guy like Samsonov or Brière. Cheap grit like Garth Murray and Steve Bégin you can get elsewhere, but high-level talent is harder to get. Size doesn't mean as much as speed and skill these days. Arnott I'm worried will be a cross between Linden and Bonk, neither of whom was a great success in Montreal. Moreso for an inflated UFA price tag. |
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Post by jimmyjazz on Jun 11, 2006 7:21:56 GMT -5
Isn't that what Gainey did in the Bonk trade - acquire him just a week or so before he became a UFA? I think he was going to be an RFA who'd be a UFA a year later if he wasn't signed long-term, much like Houle did in getting Linden, who was a year from UFA-dom when we traded for him and signed him to a 3 or 4 year deal. ---- As to Arnott, no thanks at the kind of money he'll be getting. I'd much rather target a guy like Samsonov or Brière. Cheap grit like Garth Murray and Steve Bégin you can get elsewhere, but high-level talent is harder to get. Size doesn't mean as much as speed and skill these days. Arnott I'm worried will be a cross between Linden and Bonk, neither of whom was a great success in Montreal. Moreso for an inflated UFA price tag. Excellent comparison, and I think he'd be even lazier... I don't think we should acquire this guy, he has a reputation of not working really hard and not being a good influence in the dressing room. And more so, he'll be really expensive, way too expensive... no way should be spend 5 mil or more for this guy. It seems every time some guy is a ufa he gets automatically overrated, and he's no exception. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 11, 2006 9:19:17 GMT -5
Arnott would be nice, but I wonder at what price? Bonk? Ribeiro? I can't say this is the scenario, FG. But, to negotiate with a club over a player who is an UFA very soon, just isn't good business. Perhaps there's more to it. Perhaps it's all moot. Who knows. Cheers. Isn't that what Gainey did in the Bonk trade - acquire him just a week or so before he became a UFA? If he wants him, why not wait until July 1. I'd rather wait & take that chance than give up an asset for a a guy who will be UFA in 2 - 3 weeks. Hard to say, jkr. I'm wondering if Gainey might be motivated by securing the player(s) he wants before they become UFA's. Once that happens anyone and everyone would be bidding for the same player(s). Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 11, 2006 21:41:54 GMT -5
The press said that Gainey and his scouts were looking for a big trade to which they replied, "Are not!"
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jun 12, 2006 7:03:38 GMT -5
The press said that Gainey and his scouts were looking for a big trade to which they replied, "Are not!" Well played!!! ;D THF |
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Post by jkr on Jun 12, 2006 16:43:37 GMT -5
The press said that Gainey and his scouts were looking for a big trade to which they replied, "Are not!" Well played!!! ;D THF I'm telling you, this guy must have joke writers on retainer.  |
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