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Post by TheHabsfan on Jun 11, 2006 18:04:52 GMT -5
2 links: 1. Mix 99.7 radio (whatever that is...) www.spectorshockey.net2. sports.tbo.com/sports/MGBZBNJSAOE.htmlThe first link is about a rumour of Vinny being a Gainey target. The second is an article about Vinny being available...things are starting to come out of the woodwork! Aebs and a 1st seems pretty cheap to me...maybe I am not evaluating Aebs properly..but anywho... THF |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 11, 2006 19:35:50 GMT -5
I't a classic, summer in Monteal means rumors about Vinny coming home...
Aeby and a first... Good one... Tampa once rejected 4 firsts for Vinny. I've said it before and I'll say it again, with so many goalies available, Aebisher is not gonna land us the moon (unless paired with a very good asset).
Tampa is not the first team to take a plunge after going to the cup... If they keep their team together, they'll most certainly be one of the top team in the league again in 2006-2007. All they need is a good goalie and there will be some available this summer without having to sacrifice important ressources. I just don't see Feaster panicking and dealing Vinny at this point.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 11, 2006 19:51:15 GMT -5
...you can add RDS to the mix. They claim that a rumor coming from the Boston Globe has Tampa and Monteal working on a major deal...
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Post by roke on Jun 11, 2006 20:55:41 GMT -5
With all these rumours I wish Vinny, Richards and St-Louis all had No-movement clauses, these rumours are, well, tiresome.
My oppinion on Vinny coming to Montreal... If he had wanted to come here he could have signed a one-year contract with Tampa and then came over this off-season as an UFA.
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Post by franko on Jun 11, 2006 20:56:00 GMT -5
It had better be more than major -- it had better be good! And I don't mean for TBay!
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Post by PTH on Jun 11, 2006 21:07:21 GMT -5
I't a classic, summer in Monteal means rumors about Vinny coming home... Aeby and a first... Good one... Tampa once rejected 4 firsts for Vinny. I've said it before and I'll say it again, with so many goalies available, Aebisher is not gonna land us the moon (unless paired with a very good asset). Tampa is not the first team to take a plunge after going to the cup... If they keep their team together, they'll most certainly be one of the top team in the league again in 2006-2007. All they need is a good goalie and there will be some available this summer without having to sacrifice important ressources. I just don't see Feaster panicking and dealing Vinny at this point. Maybe Aebischer for Vinny Prospal ? (if he's even still in TB!) |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 11, 2006 21:40:47 GMT -5
I't a classic, summer in Monteal means rumors about Vinny coming home... Aeby and a first... Good one... Tampa once rejected 4 firsts for Vinny. I've said it before and I'll say it again, with so many goalies available, Aebisher is not gonna land us the moon (unless paired with a very good asset). Tampa is not the first team to take a plunge after going to the cup... If they keep their team together, they'll most certainly be one of the top team in the league again in 2006-2007. All they need is a good goalie and there will be some available this summer without having to sacrifice important ressources. I just don't see Feaster panicking and dealing Vinny at this point. Maybe Aebischer for Vinny Prospal ? (if he's even still in TB!) Yup. Prospal or Modin would definitely add some bite at a reasonable price. As would Fedotenko (who's an RFA). Those 3 were nowhere to be found in this year's playoff so they definitely could be in Torto's dog house. Unless Gainey wants to do a big coup and purge the Russian connection. Something like: Kovalev, Markov, Aebisher for Kubina (signed), Levavalier, Prospal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 22:21:00 GMT -5
Lecavalier is only good when he wants to be. Could he bring his A game every night in a Habs uniform? Who knows?
If we deal away Abby and should Huet sign elsewhere, how screwed would we be? What are Bob's prorities, right now? We know Huet says he wants to stay, and he's completely adored by Habs fans (a real team guy), so he has every reason to stay.
Also, the rumours about Bertuzzi coming to Montreal have started again, too. Apprently Vancouver wanted Souray and some other player, while the Habs were offering Zednik and Ryder. Personally, I think that Todd is damaged goods.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jun 12, 2006 7:02:23 GMT -5
I't a classic, summer in Monteal means rumors about Vinny coming home... Aeby and a first... Good one... Tampa once rejected 4 firsts for Vinny. I've said it before and I'll say it again, with so many goalies available, Aebisher is not gonna land us the moon (unless paired with a very good asset). Tampa is not the first team to take a plunge after going to the cup... If they keep their team together, they'll most certainly be one of the top team in the league again in 2006-2007. All they need is a good goalie and there will be some available this summer without having to sacrifice important ressources. I just don't see Feaster panicking and dealing Vinny at this point. Maybe Aebischer for Vinny Prospal ? (if he's even still in TB!) ...then, Prospal can call people frogs on a daily basis!  I strongly doubt Prospal is of interest to the Habs management...he's a decent player but not necessarily a good PR move. THF |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 12, 2006 9:44:36 GMT -5
Maybe Aebischer for Vinny Prospal ? (if he's even still in TB!) Yup. Prospal or Modin would definitely add some bite at a reasonable price. As would Fedotenko (who's an RFA). Those 3 were nowhere to be found in this year's playoff so they definitely could be in Torto's dog house. Unless Gainey wants to do a big coup and purge the Russian connection. Something like: Kovalev, Markov, Aebisher for Kubina (signed), Levavalier, Prospal. He may not have to deal any of the Big Three, if he’s creative. I guess it depends on who he wants to target for his goalie, but as we have seen this year, having the most expensive guy isn’t always necessary. He could target a guy like Marty Biron, and who knows how that will turn out. Or, as many have pointed out, David Abeisheir. How would an Abeisheir for Modin deal sound? Bolts would get a goalie, AND save about half a million in the process. Sure, Modin is a fine player, but if that’s the price he has to pay to keep Richards, St. Louis, Lecavalier, AND solve his goaltending issues, I’m sure he’ll do it in a heartbeat. Genius is always misunderstood… well, you know. And to think, we all made fun of the Maple Leafs for their Eric Lindros obsession over the years. I’m with you Doc, I don’t see why Feaster would trade any of his Big Three at this point. He doesn’t have to, to begin with, and he’s still got lots of room to manouver. The cap is going up by a good $4-5 million, so that’s going to give him some relief, and he still has other ways to cut. Freddy Modin scored 30 goals last year, and is a big-bodied presence in the offensive zone. If Huet is signed, I think Gainey would leap all over a Modin for Abeischeir deal, and if he doesn’t, I think there are a lot of GMs who would be willing to make a similar deal. Modin for Marc Denis? Modin for Cloutier? Modin for Garon? (ohh, the fun we would have with that one!) And that’s assuming they don’t sign somebody as a free agent, like Manny Legace, or Marty Gerber. Or Crystobal Huet. They still have options. They don’t have to deal Lecavalier to Montreal for nothing just yet. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 12, 2006 10:45:17 GMT -5
He may not have to deal any of the Big Three, if he’s creative. I guess it depends on who he wants to target for his goalie, but as we have seen this year, having the most expensive guy isn’t always necessary. He could target a guy like Marty Biron, and who knows how that will turn out. Or, as many have pointed out, David Abeisheir. How would an Abeisheir for Modin deal sound? Bolts would get a goalie, AND save about half a million in the process. Sure, Modin is a fine player, but if that’s the price he has to pay to keep Richards, St. Louis, Lecavalier, AND solve his goaltending issues, I’m sure he’ll do it in a heartbeat. Genius is always misunderstood… well, you know. And to think, we all made fun of the Maple Leafs for their Eric Lindros obsession over the years. I’m with you Doc, I don’t see why Feaster would trade any of his Big Three at this point. He doesn’t have to, to begin with, and he’s still got lots of room to manouver. The cap is going up by a good $4-5 million, so that’s going to give him some relief, and he still has other ways to cut. Freddy Modin scored 30 goals last year, and is a big-bodied presence in the offensive zone. If Huet is signed, I think Gainey would leap all over a Modin for Abeischeir deal, and if he doesn’t, I think there are a lot of GMs who would be willing to make a similar deal. Modin for Marc Denis? Modin for Cloutier? Modin for Garon? (ohh, the fun we would have with that one!) And that’s assuming they don’t sign somebody as a free agent, like Manny Legace, or Marty Gerber. Or Crystobal Huet. They still have options. They don’t have to deal Lecavalier to Montreal for nothing just yet. ...unless the deal is too good to pass (...which Aeby + 1st isn't) or that Tampa is looking at trying to reduce payroll no matter the increase in cap... We're assuming Tampa is comfortable with a 40mil + payroll, but prior to last season, this franchise was certainly not recognized as one with a lot of money to spare. Let's just say they lost a couple of mil this season because they did not make much playoff revenue, it's conceivable that their ownership would be tempted to see if, like in 2003-2004, they could be competitive with a small payroll, rather than try to solve problems with more payroll... As well, if Tampa keeps its payroll at its current level, they can't afford to keep Kubina and so they weaken an already suspect defense. Trade away Vinny and you'll have the money to afford a starting goalie, a 2nd pair dmen, a young 2nd line center in the making and still have some left... Say: Aeby + Souray + Pleks for Lecavalier... In regards to Vinny, I'm a bit torn now... On one hand, I was truly disappointed to see Lecavalier chose to sign long term with Tampa last summer. I felt at the time that this was an evident sign that Vinny did not have the drive and character required to become the huge player he could be in Montreal but was rather content to be a second fiddle in Tampa where the pressure to win sure isn't felt outside the arena... Production wise, he has yet to establish himself as a true, undisputed, premiere player, something many feels should have happened by now. On the other hand Vinny has developed under a coach with a bull whip approach. While it may have put some good work habits in him, I truly wonder if Tortorella is a coach that can make Lecavalier take the next step, be it take it upon himself to make a difference. Tortorella seems like a guy that wants to break Vinny rather than teach him how to use his evident emotion and character. If Lecavalier has it in him to become a premiere player, I would think that a supportive environment in the surroundings of proven winners and leaders could plant in him the seed of becoming the player he could become. Of course the marketing aspect of having a player like Lecavalier has its plus and minuses. For a fan base that's been craving for years for a local offensive franchise player, he'd be a gold mine in terms of ticket sales, jersey sales, etc... On the other hand, we know just how tough it is for local guys to play here. The media and by extension the fan base will scrutinize on a constant basis every aspects of the guy's play as well as every aspects of his personal life. Sure enough, if you pass the test, like Roy, you get to a point where you almost can do no wrong (Saku is getting close to that status as well). If you don't pass the test, you'll be chewed and spit out in Theodore's fashion. The Montreal crowd demands that you leave your guts on the ice every night but if you do they'll reward you with semi-God status. At the end of the day I think a vast majority would salute an acquisition of Lecavalier but I'm no longer certain it would work out good for everyone involved. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 12, 2006 11:06:57 GMT -5
Tampa Bay gets rid of a big salary and the fourth best player on their team. Montreal picks up a big salary for the best player on their team.
As Doc said, the annual rumors of cousin Vinny coming to Montreal are usually not started by Gainey, and he's the only rumor monger that counts.
Yes I would like him. No, I don't think it will happen.
Yes, I would like to be proven wrong.
No, I don't think he would guarantee a cup for les gars.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 12, 2006 11:16:57 GMT -5
Has anyone checked the real estate listings in Tampa? Perhaps Vinny is selling his house in Tampa - in which case these rumours must be legit.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 12, 2006 12:14:11 GMT -5
Has anyone checked the real estate listings in Tampa? Perhaps Vinny is selling his house in Tampa - in which case these rumours must be legit.  legit or not, rumoring and speculating is all we have left until october... |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 12, 2006 15:03:49 GMT -5
legit or not, rumoring and speculating is all we have left until october... Good God I hope not. I hope the end of June and beginning of July will give us plenty to chew on....  whatever it is...... |
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Post by HFTO on Jun 12, 2006 19:16:19 GMT -5
As much fun as it would be to have Vinny,I doubt it will happen.........but if the blockbuster was Modin and Kubina and then Bob adds Arnott,that would be a pretyy exciting offseason,
HFTO
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 13, 2006 21:48:52 GMT -5
As much fun as it would be to have Vinny,I doubt it will happen.........but if the blockbuster was Modin and Kubina and then Bob adds Arnott,that would be a pretyy exciting offseason, HFTO Sign me up for that trio. Bulis and Zednik who??? |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jun 14, 2006 8:28:39 GMT -5
According to Demers, he called Feaster and he said it wasn't happening. However, how many GMs will tell an analyst on a national sports broadcaster that he was about to move one of his franchise players?
I think that getting Vinny is possible. But it would have to be a hell of a lot sweeter than a questionable number 1 goalie and a 16th overall pick!
THF
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 14, 2006 8:36:46 GMT -5
As much fun as it would be to have Vinny,I doubt it will happen.........but if the blockbuster was Modin and Kubina and then Bob adds Arnott,that would be a pretyy exciting offseason, HFTO I think Modin's combination of size, skill and good work ethic would definitely be a welcome addition in our top 6. But would the Lightning trade one of their only affordable productive player ? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 14, 2006 10:36:09 GMT -5
I think Modin's combination of size, skill and good work ethic would definitely be a welcome addition in our top 6. But would the Lightning trade one of their only affordable productive player ? Nah, Feaster will sign him to a long term $5M contract first. Seriously, if we could somehow acquire Modin that would be a solid move. Tampa needs desperate help in net, as do a few other teams, so Gainey is in a position of bargaining strength on that front. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 14, 2006 12:00:02 GMT -5
Gainey is in a position of bargaining strength on that front. To get into that position of strenght he must sign Huet though and to sign Huet to a reasonable contract he must avoid trading Aebisher. The signing of Huet could trigger some moves Bob is already puting in place. Here's some wild speculations (what else is there to do hey?) 1- Bob signs Huet. 2- Bob trades Aeby and Ryder to Tampa for Modin and Kubina (who already agreed to signed with the HABS). 3- Bob trades Souray and Zednik to Vancouver for Burtuzzi. Higgins - Koivu - Bertuzzi Modin - Ribeiro - Kovalev Perez - Pleks - Kots Murray - Lapierre - Begin Downey Markov - Komisarek Kubina - Rivet Bouillon - Dandy Streit Downey and Streit take turns in the press box depending on the specialist needed for a certian game. |
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Post by Habit on Jun 14, 2006 13:29:47 GMT -5
Gainey is in a position of bargaining strength on that front. To get into that position of strenght he must sign Huet though and to sign Huet to a reasonable contract he must avoid trading Aebisher. The signing of Huet could trigger some moves Bob is already puting in place. Here's some wild speculations (what else is there to do hey?) 1- Bob signs Huet. 2- Bob trades Aeby and Ryder to Tampa for Modin and Kubina (who already agreed to signed with the HABS). 3- Bob trades Souray and Zednik to Vancouver for Burtuzzi. Higgins - Koivu - Bertuzzi Modin - Ribeiro - Kovalev Perez - Pleks - Kots Murray - Lapierre - Begin Downey Markov - Komisarek Kubina - Rivet Bouillon - Dandy Streit Downey and Streit take turns in the press box depending on the specialist needed for a certian game. Is Bonk on the IR? |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 14, 2006 17:50:01 GMT -5
...who ? |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 14, 2006 18:58:16 GMT -5
Is Bonk on the IR?[/quote] On Doc's, for sure. You know....you keep ignoring him, hoping he'll go away. (Bonk, not Doc). I don't mind Bonk when he plays like he did in the playoffs. Earned his dough then. Surprising for a European. (Did I say that?) |
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2006 20:34:36 GMT -5
I't a classic, summer in Monteal means rumors about Vinny coming home... Aeby and a first... Good one... Tampa once rejected 4 firsts for Vinny. I've said it before and I'll say it again, with so many goalies available, Aebisher is not gonna land us the moon (unless paired with a very good asset). Tampa is not the first team to take a plunge after going to the cup... If they keep their team together, they'll most certainly be one of the top team in the league again in 2006-2007. All they need is a good goalie and there will be some available this summer without having to sacrifice important ressources. I just don't see Feaster panicking and dealing Vinny at this point. The Bolts need help on defence too. Kubina isn't going to be cheap, and he's a UFA I believe. After him they get thin fast. Sydor and Boyle become the first pair and it's down hill from there. They can't keep all three forwards, sign a good goalie and retain or add to their blueline. Feaster has decisions to make. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 18, 2006 20:06:10 GMT -5
To get into that position of strenght he must sign Huet though and to sign Huet to a reasonable contract he must avoid trading Aebisher. The signing of Huet could trigger some moves Bob is already puting in place. Here's some wild speculations (what else is there to do hey?) 1- Bob signs Huet. 2- Bob trades Aeby and Ryder to Tampa for Modin and Kubina (who already agreed to signed with the HABS). 3- Bob trades Souray and Zednik to Vancouver for Burtuzzi. Higgins - Koivu - Bertuzzi Modin - Ribeiro - Kovalev Perez - Pleks - Kots Murray - Lapierre - Begin Downey Markov - Komisarek Kubina - Rivet Bouillon - Dandy Streit Downey and Streit take turns in the press box depending on the specialist needed for a certian game. Is Bonk on the IR? Bonk centers that second line ... and Doc gets pleasantly surprised. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 18, 2006 23:19:25 GMT -5
Vinny has been traded to Montreal on the web more often than Brittney Spears makes parenting mistakes.
not holding my breath.
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whatever it is......
