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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 15, 2006 17:37:10 GMT -5
...accroding to the entertaining M. Ecklund.
It would definitely address one of Montreal biggest problem (lack of high end scoring) but his remaining 5 years of contract at 6.5 per with a no trade clause is really, reaaally scary... I do believe Feaster would be happy to get rid of it now but I have strong doubts he'll find a partner to take it, unless he sweatens the deal a lot...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 19:55:17 GMT -5
Great, another small forward.  |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 16, 2006 7:18:31 GMT -5
Did he not say at one point he didn't really have any interest in playing for the Habs ? Or was it just another "rumor"?
If it's true, I suppose we don't need guys with that attitude...
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Post by Polarice on Jun 16, 2006 7:33:40 GMT -5
Great, another small forward. Meh, there's nothing wrong with having small forwards...this is the "New NHL". And to be honest, we're not that small up front, adding someone like St-Louis would only make us better. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 16, 2006 7:41:56 GMT -5
I saw him earlier this week in an interview he gave to Mario Langlois (Au Dessus de la Melee).
He did mention that Tampa was his #1 choice and that he would be quite upset to be traded (and his wife would be even more) but understands that trades are part of hockey.
Langlois asked him why he was perceived as a bit snobbish towards Montreal and the HABS, He kinda laugh (or I should say grin) and said "...I know about that and I'd be really curious to find out who among you (media people) started this...". He thinks this comes from the fact that he doesn't come to Montreal often and that tends to rub some people the wrong way.
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 16, 2006 7:51:25 GMT -5
I saw him earlier this week in an interview he gave to Mario Langlois (Au Dessus de la Melee). He did mention that Tampa was his #1 choice and that he would be quite upset to be traded (and his wife would be even more) but understands that trades are part of hockey. Langlois asked him why he was perceived as a bit snobbish towards Montreal and the HABS, He kinda laugh (or I should say grin) and said "...I know about that and I'd be really curious to find out who among you (media people) started this...". He thinks this comes from the fact that he doesn't come to Montreal often and that tends to rub some people the wrong way. Then "that's a good thing" like Martha would say....  Does he really make 6.5 millions /year ? I thought it was more like $5M... |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 16, 2006 8:52:41 GMT -5
Got my answer: $5.25M (TSN)
It's still a lot of money. Would make him the highest paid player...
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 16, 2006 8:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 16, 2006 9:26:57 GMT -5
Huge performance risk here. St. Louis strikes me as a player who has overachieved and his performance last year in the new and improved NHL was ordinary to say the least. If I'm going to lock up $6.5MM on a forward I want at least 85 points a year and I'm not sure St. Louis can deliver that. I would be more inclined to take that risk with Lecavalier given his size, position, and untapped upside.
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 16, 2006 11:01:44 GMT -5
Maybe they are both right. Apparently he signed for 31.5M for 6 years. The average is 5.25 but maybe it's more loaded up front ? But I think that what counts for the cap is the average number for the lenght of the contract even if each year is different; I'm not sure. I can't find more details. Sportsnet also has him at 6.5M In any case, I'm not sure he's the guy we need (at 5.25 OR 6.5). I'm afraid of another Theo type problem. If he doesn't work out, we're stuck for 5 more years....that's a LOT. I don't think Gainey would like that 5 Years either.... |
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Post by habmeister on Jun 16, 2006 17:22:42 GMT -5
Great, another small forward. Meh, there's nothing wrong with having small forwards...this is the "New NHL". And to be honest, we're not that small up front, adding someone like St-Louis would only make us better. not all small forwards are extremely effective in the new nhl, more the fast skating ones, st. louis wasn't very good this season was he? what were his numbers? although in the playoffs he stepped up huge! |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 16, 2006 23:27:30 GMT -5
Just because Tampa Bay overpaid, doesn't mean we have to.
He's better offensively than anything we have, we may have to start the season without Koivu, Zed and a diminished Kovalev, but that doesn't mean we shoul;d commit to overpaying.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jun 23, 2006 19:26:45 GMT -5
not all small forwards are extremely effective in the new nhl, more the fast skating ones, st. louis wasn't very good this season was he? what were his numbers? although in the playoffs he stepped up huge! St Louis is hardly a typical small forward. I think his amazing strength is one of the factors that made him so effective in the old NHL. He could fight thru all the clutching and grabbing. I wondered all season if the more wide open game actually hurt him. A wierd thought I know. Whatever the reason, he sure looked flat all season. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 23, 2006 22:02:05 GMT -5
Just because Tampa Bay overpaid, doesn't mean we have to. He's better offensively than anything we have, we may have to start the season without Koivu, Zed and a diminished Kovalev, but that doesn't mean we shoul;d commit to overpaying. Why would Kovalev be diminished at the start of the season? |
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 27, 2006 12:57:47 GMT -5
Eklund is back at it  ..Rumor: Aebischer + picks to Tampa for St. Louis (e3)....and the new assistant coach is:....  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2006 13:20:36 GMT -5
Just because Tampa Bay overpaid, doesn't mean we have to. He's better offensively than anything we have, we may have to start the season without Koivu, Zed and a diminished Kovalev, but that doesn't mean we shoul;d commit to overpaying. Why would Kovalev be diminished at the start of the season? Kovalev is a year older. He doesn't have the king of linemates he needs to be effective like he was in Pittsburg. When he is the only hab's player garnering attention from the opposition, he wilts. Kovalev has his peaks when he's motivated and Death Valley's when he's not. I don't forsee the same guy that played with intensity for Russia toiling for the Hab's next year. That doesn't mean I want to trade him for a bag of pucks, but i don't see St-Louis or Kovalev challenging Crosby or Ovetchkin next year. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 27, 2006 13:35:04 GMT -5
Eklund is back at it ..Rumor: Aebischer + picks to Tampa for St. Louis (e3)....and the new assistant coach is:.... Those rumors have me worried (although I'm somewhat reassured knowing that they're coming from Eklund and not Bob Mckenzie). We can't afford to gamble with that Yashin like contract. His numbers dropped off from 94 points in 03-04, to 61 points last year, and a -3 rating (while playing on a a line with Richards). His contract is a major obstacle for Tampa in trying to solidify their goaltending and defence. Let's not let their problem become ours. |
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Post by Ryan on Jun 27, 2006 14:09:55 GMT -5
My optimistic nature would be stretched to the limits with a deal like this.
If he's got 2, or maybe a maximum of 3 years left I probably do it. But not at 5, you can't even consider it.
I'd take Modin or Fedotenko before St. Louis with that contract.
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Post by blny on Jun 27, 2006 15:31:13 GMT -5
Agreed. Too much contract for a player on the downside of his career.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 27, 2006 16:23:11 GMT -5
I'm on board with the thought that St.Loius's arrow is clearly pointing downward.I want a younger bigger stronger 80pt + man for that kind of cash.
I like St.Louis but you can bet dollars to doughnuts if he becomes a Hab he'll be another 60 point player on a team that needs a bonafide star badly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2006 18:30:13 GMT -5
Those rumors have me worried (although I'm somewhat reassured knowing that they're coming from Eklund and not Bob Mckenzie). We can't afford to gamble with that Yashin like contract. His numbers dropped off from 94 points in 93-94, to 61 points last year, and a -3 rating (while playing on a a line with Richards). His contract is a major obstacle for Tampa in trying to solidify their goaltending and defence. Let's not let their problem become ours. You mean 03-04, right? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2006 18:38:53 GMT -5
If Tampa trades St. Louis and agrees to pay half his salary, how much would count against the new teams cap?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 27, 2006 18:47:43 GMT -5
If Tampa trades St. Louis and agrees to pay half his salary, how much would count against the new teams cap? It would count for double of what half the contract is worth prorated over the full lenght of the terms. ;D i.e. the same amount. A player's cap hit is counted on his full contract value not matter who pays what and how the salary is spread over the years. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 27, 2006 19:16:26 GMT -5
Those rumors have me worried (although I'm somewhat reassured knowing that they're coming from Eklund and not Bob Mckenzie). We can't afford to gamble with that Yashin like contract. His numbers dropped off from 94 points in 93-94, to 61 points last year, and a -3 rating (while playing on a a line with Richards). His contract is a major obstacle for Tampa in trying to solidify their goaltending and defence. Let's not let their problem become ours. You mean 03-04, right? Oops.. yeah. Thanks for catching that. His production declined by 33 points, and plus minus dropped from + 35 to -3. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 28, 2006 13:05:09 GMT -5
If we're going to trade Aebischer to TBay, I would take Modin instead of St. Louis.
St. Louis' deal at $6.5M per season for another five years is very, very scary in a capped NHL. Not to mention the fact that he has a NTC.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 28, 2006 17:59:39 GMT -5
St-Louis's contract is 31.5mil on 6 years, but it was frontloaded. He got paid 6.5mil of it last year and will get paid 6 this year, meening he'll only be making 4.75 on the remaining 4 years. While the cap hit is the same (5.25) the expense isn't and we're a team this is more budget conscious than cap conscious. As the cap will increase with passing years I will bet you we'll have more and more cap room available...
I also want to mention that St-Louis just turned 31. Not 43 !
The more I think about it, the more I think that if you can turn you're backup goalie into the scoring champion of 2 season's ago, a guy who plays his heart out every shift and who's contract is designed in such way that his salary decreases as he aged, the more more I feel we'd be making out like bandits.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 28, 2006 18:52:04 GMT -5
I'm with you Doc, one for all and all for one. I really liked Marty's passion in the playoffs this year. He was giving it everything, and he can still skate and shoot like crazy.
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 28, 2006 19:26:28 GMT -5
It would basically become Theodore for St-Louis....
Under this angle, it seems to look better,.....
I bet everyone (including me) would have liked that trade last March
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 29, 2006 15:43:32 GMT -5
I guess it depends on which St. Louis shows up.
If it's the one from last season then (for the money that he's earning) the fans and media would be all over him.
If it's the St. Louis of 2004 then this deal would be one of the biggest steals in NHL history.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 29, 2006 16:19:04 GMT -5
For me it's still too much, even if it's a front end loaded contract. We have enough young and up and coming talent that we should be able to get production of 61 points from a 1 or 2 million dollar player (Ryder, Ribeiro, Higgins - maybe Pleks, Perezhogin, Latendresse, Kostitsyn or Grabovsky).
I won't deny that we need a high end consistent scoring threat, but I don't want to risk paying 1st line dollars for 2nd line production over such a long term. We've already got a lot of salary invested in Koivu and Kovalev over the next three years.
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