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Post by sergejean on Jun 26, 2006 13:20:34 GMT -5
What can we expect in return of Aebisher? Should Zednik and/or Souray be included in a deal along with a young prospect so we can get a better return?
If for exemple, we were going to make a bid for Chris Pronger, could the oilers be interested in Souray, Zednik and Kostitsyn? or Souray Zednik and a first round pick?
I'm just curious as to which player we could target with our current assets...
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2006 13:43:41 GMT -5
I believe the trade of Aebischer will come down to what BG and co targert. If they target a big fish, then it means adding pieces to the deal. I don't predict Souray will be traded. He improved his play in the second half of the year. The only way Sheldon gets dealt is if it's in a deal that lands us a prime time defender.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 26, 2006 13:52:34 GMT -5
Well the Abby to Tampa for St. Louis rumour is still hot as ever.
If we could pick up a center like Arnott, and a good D-man like Kubina or Witt, we could have a pretty solid team next year.
St. Louis - Arnott - Kovalev
Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Plekanec - Bonk - Perezhogin
Murray - Begin - Downey
Komisarek - Markov
Rivet - Souray
Witt - Dandenault
Huet, Danis
(Kastitsyn, Ivanans, Chipchura, Latendresse) Depth forwards
(Cote, Streit, Bouillon, Emelin) Depth D-Men
I didn't include Riberio or Zednik they would have to be dealt to make cap room.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2006 18:28:43 GMT -5
Zednik will be the piece of a multiplayer deal. I'm fairly certain. He's got value despite an off year, and in the right package should be able to net something good.
I'm not sold on Witt. Brendan takes a lot of penalties, and is something of a pylon in the new NHL. Kubina is intriguing. Still fairly young. Great combo of size and skill. Decent at both ends. Of all the dmen available this summer he likely won't fetch the highest price.
I'm torn on Arnott. It will definitely depend on what he signs for. I assume he'll be seeking $6 million plus. IMO he's guaranteed to take a step back. I like what be brings, but want for someone who's a better playmaker. In many respects I'd like to see the team bring in a centre via a trade. Someone who is a better puck distributer that Arnott, and can feed our wingers. Arnott brings the size and grit we all like and need, but I wonder if he could work with our wingers. I have doubts.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 26, 2006 21:18:23 GMT -5
Well the Abby to Tampa for St. Louis rumour is still hot as ever. An intriguing propostion for sure. Tampa gets the starter they need and they unload a big salary. We get a much needed offensive powerhouse although it remains to be seen what St-Louis can do without the kind of top notch center he gets in Tampa... That contract is also scary... But if we do Aeby + Zednik for St-Louis, the net effect is only about +2.5mil... |
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Post by sergejean on Jun 26, 2006 22:27:08 GMT -5
Well the Abby to Tampa for St. Louis rumour is still hot as ever. An intriguing propostion for sure. Tampa gets the starter they need and they unload a big salary. We get a much needed offensive powerhouse although it remains to be seen what St-Louis can do without the kind of top notch center he gets in Tampa... That contract is also scary... But if we do Aeby + Zednik for St-Louis, the net effect is only about +2.5mil... Actually, the effect would be 1.35M since St-Louis is making an average of 5.25M/year. If it was not for the lenght of the contract, I'd make this deal in a heartbeat. P.S. It appears that St-Louis contract is 31.5M for 6 years according to TSN: www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=134439&hubname=and according to Radio-Canada: radio-canada.ca/sports/HockeyNHL/nouvelles/200508/24/003-StLouisTB.shtml |
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Post by Marvin on Jun 26, 2006 22:40:53 GMT -5
As much as I like St Louis, the last thing the Habs need is another small forward - and I don't care that people say that he plays 'big.' When push comes to shove, he'll be pushed and shoved.
Arnott, on the other hand, has everything going for him, but he's been an enigma his entire career: never has good as he should be. The Mtl media and fans will crucify him if he doesn't put up the numbers.
Marvin
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2006 10:42:25 GMT -5
I'd rather Modin than St. Louis .... and if they want to unload salary well #4 can come over. They can keep the smurf ....
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Post by jimmyjazz on Jun 27, 2006 10:47:25 GMT -5
As much as I like St Louis, the last thing the Habs need is another small forward - and I don't care that people say that he plays 'big.' When push comes to shove, he'll be pushed and shoved. Arnott, on the other hand, has everything going for him, but he's been an enigma his entire career: never has good as he should be. The Mtl media and fans will crucify him if he doesn't put up the numbers. Marvin You're right about st-louis. As for Arnott, I'm pretty sure that we'll overpay for him and that he'll disappoint. funny thing is, their seems to be a campaign to bring this guy in and trade ribeiro, and it would be ironic that he ends up just being a bigger version of Ribeiro, and just as lazy. But it seems that because the guy is big and a free agent, people are blindly attracted to him... I really hope we don't sign this guy, and like you said, he's a enigma. in fact he had two ''big'' seasons (that could justify the salary he'll want), his first one and his contract year. As for trading Aebischer, I think that it will happen after a bunch of free agent goalies are signed... the higher the bidding for them will be, the higher the value of Aebischer will rise. Sure a package containing him and Zednik would be good, but I don't think that adding zednik will really add to the amount of what we could receive... In fact it all depends what we want. Also, do you guys think we'll get more for him now than we could during the season??? And would you guys trade him to an eastern team? I would, but not for picks and/or prospects... |
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Post by Marvin on Jun 27, 2006 12:16:26 GMT -5
Right on the mark: Arnott has all the potential to be a bigger, lazier version of Ribiero. He's got all the talent in the world, but rarely uses it. Reminds me of Stephane Richer.
I also think that everyone is over-valuing Zednick and Abeshier. I really don't think that any team will offer much for them individually or combined.
Marvin
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 27, 2006 12:27:53 GMT -5
Arnott is no franchise center but over the course of his carreer he averages 27goals/64 pts per 82 games, with a +38 differential. Obviously he has the offense. On top of that he's a good skater, he plays a sound 2-way game and he's physical.
At about 4mil, I think he'd be a good deal.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2006 12:48:39 GMT -5
Arnott is no franchise center but over the course of his carreer he averages 27goals/64 pts per 82 games, with a +38 differential. Obviously he has the offense. On top of that he's a good skater, he plays a sound 2-way game and he's physical. At about 4mil, I think he'd be a good deal. He's better than anyone we got right now. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 28, 2006 12:59:45 GMT -5
I'd stay away from Marty St. Louis. IMO, he won't be able to repeat his dream season of 2004. And the length and amount of his contract is downright scary.
Arnott is an enigma for sure, but we have to remember that he's going to come here as our #2 center, so he's not going to have to score 80+ points. He would just have to play two-way, gritty hockey and put up 60-70 points per season. That's something that he's done throughout his career anyways so it wouldn't be a stretch for him.
As for people questioning his heart... look back at how instrumental he was as the Devils' top center in the 2000 playoffs when New Jersey defeated Gainey's Stars in the Finals. There must be a reason that Gainey traded for him a few years later.
Now having said that, he is not worth more than $4M.
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Post by ironhabs on Jun 28, 2006 13:30:57 GMT -5
Arnott is a tough player to coach and this is scary but... Carbo and Gainey know him well, so if they sign him, they will know what they are doing.
He will probably be our best option on the market and with Koivu's eye injury, he could be our first center.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 28, 2006 18:48:26 GMT -5
Despite my capering about Tampa, I like St Louis. He was, IMO, the best player they had in the playoffs. He showed a lot of grit and heart, after a less than impressive first half of the season. Would I take him? For the right player Ribs and Zedder, sure.
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