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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 28, 2006 15:26:46 GMT -5
Carbo said he spoke to Dandy who's not happy to be playing as a forward right now. Carbo said that the situation was only a temporary one. Obvioulsy Bob is trying to move one of the other 6 men so Dandy can get back on D. www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/218094.htmlUnder the light of Souray's recent comment, I think Sheldon is on the block. Souray/Samsonov for Mark Bell and something? Bell isn't putting it together in SJ and it could be tempting for them to reunite Sammy to Big Joe. Souray has often been rumored to be interested by West Coast teams, so their chance of resigning him would be pretty good. Bell has been converted to the wing in recent season but was a center. He has a north/south power game that could complement Kovalev well. |
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Post by HabSolute on Nov 28, 2006 15:37:34 GMT -5
Mmm, interesting observation.....
Why else would he say temporary ?
Unless they plan to send Niniima to Hamilton....
but it still leaves 7 d-men....
would have liked to be a fly on the wall or that meeting between Carbo and Dandy....
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2006 15:44:46 GMT -5
I don't like it ....
If we are going to trade with San Jose there is only one person I want to be talking about - Patrick Marleau. Trading Samsonov and Souray to them is basically handing them the Cup.
One of the best PP guys in the league and an extremely promising toss-in for Mark Bell? I'd rather Marleau, but I can see Gainey settling on Bernier and we have to get a defenseman back - Erhoff or Hannan.
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Post by Gogie on Nov 28, 2006 16:21:43 GMT -5
Mmm, interesting observation..... Why else would he say temporary ? Unless they plan to send Niniima to Hamilton....but it still leaves 7 d-men.... would have liked to be a fly on the wall or that meeting between Carbo and Dandy.... Say it ain't so Joe, er, I mean Janne. Don't wreck a good thing in Steeltown. |
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Post by blny on Nov 28, 2006 17:31:25 GMT -5
I'm with skilly. If SJ is a trade partner Marleau has to be part of the equation. I have no interest in Bell really. He's had injury problems, and he's a big question mark in terms of development. He could be Bertuzzi, or he could be Isbister/Kilger.
I really don't want to see Sheldon go, but if he's going to be traded it has to be for maximum return. Bell and something isn't it. I wouldn't trade Souray for Bell straight up. Add in Sammy, even with his struggles, and the something else is going to have to be something very special.
Beyond Marleau, I have interest in Michalek. He's got some great skill.
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Post by franko on Nov 28, 2006 18:38:15 GMT -5
Re: Marleau: HabsFan:  SharksFan:  Sorry for the realism (no matter how much I'd like to see it happen). |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 28, 2006 19:00:35 GMT -5
Re: Marleau: HabsFan: SharksFan: Sorry for the realism (no matter how much I'd like to see it happen). I've wanted Marleau as our second line centre for quite a while now. But I can't see the Sharks trading him. They have arguably the best 1-2 centre punch in the league right now. (Thanks Boston). |
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Post by blny on Nov 28, 2006 19:18:45 GMT -5
Re: Marleau: HabsFan: SharksFan: Sorry for the realism (no matter how much I'd like to see it happen). Never said it was realistic, but if Souray were to end up there he'd instantly be their best defenceman. For that matter, if he were to end up in LA, he would likely be their best too. Only in Anaheim would he be second fiddle, or third fiddle as it were. A sign and trade deal would make the possibility greater. If Souray definitely wants out, why not try and get him set up with a west coast team now for a contract he could be happy with. He's got a pretty darn good idea what the market is going to be like. I think we all know what his demands will be and what he can expect to get. Think McCabe money. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2006 11:57:06 GMT -5
Good thread Doc.
Well, looking at what teams need what, there are a few that could use Souray.
SJ,
Doc, as you know Mark Bell has been in Gainey's sites for a while. Having said that, it would be a coup for SJ to land Souray. They're competing with possibly the best d-corps in the league in Anaheim. Landing Souray wouldn't balance that out perfectly but it would make them that much more competative.
I think you're also right in the Thornton/Samsonov reunion as well. Playing on a line with Thornton would be lucky for any player frankly. But, Samsonov would probably excel.
Who comes back? Well, you've already mentioned Mark Bell and I'd also enquire about RW, Steve Bernier or D, Ty Wishart.
Vancouver
Seventeen and I were going through a possible Van/Mtl trade scenario. The Canucks need offense and Souray would help them there. Souray's salary next year will be an issue and Gainey would have to make room in his current roster to accomodate the salary coming the other way. If it's only Souray going the other way then I'd look at Brendan Morrison and D, Luc Bourdon. This frees up the d position Gainey wants, while securing a 2nd line centre and a future blue chip d-man. On the surface it would look like a lopsided trade for Vancouver and I wouldn't do it unless someone else who could immediately help the club could be obtained. But if it turns into a multi-player deal, with say, Samsonov (who fits the Canucks style of play), then additional players/considerations must be talked over. Salo maybe?
(Late edit: if the Nucks were to move Salo our way, watch for Gainey to move another d-man if only for 'future considerations.'
LA
Seems to always be the option for Souray. But, it's entirely possible another of the d-corps could be moved given the contribution Souray is making right now. Looking at LA's roster, I don't see any player that Gainey would want in return. Or, at least one that's affordable and LA would be willing to let go. He's come up time and time again, but Craig Conroy might be the 2nd-line centre he's been searching for. The problem is does LA need immediate help on defence? Seems to me they might need help everywhere right now.
And there are other teams who also need help in a lot of areas. Columbus, Phoenix, Philadelphia and Florida (unless they play us that is). Think Gainey might be able to pry Stephen Weiss away from the Panthers?
Coming full circle on you, Doc, any team who wants Souray has to make room for his salary next year if they want to keep him. That's easier said than done.
Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 29, 2006 12:23:38 GMT -5
No way SJ gives up Marleau.
I'm thinking about if we can swing a trade with Florida for maybe Stephen Weiss who fits nicely with the small/fast/skilled model like Buffalo. The Panthers seem to have a good mix of youth (Jokinen, Horton, Weiss, Bouwmeester) and veterans (Nieuwendyk, Roberts, Bertuzzi) but can't seem to get it together. They list Jokinen, Horton, and Weiss as centers on their depth chart so they have a surplus.
Problem is it looks they the problem in Florida is defense and goaltending and we don't have any defense to give for a young player like Weiss (Florida isn't going to win this year so no point in trading for a pending UFA like Souray). But maybe they just want to shake things up. I would trade Samsonov/Ryder plus Pleks/Perezhogin plus maybe even Carey Price for Stephen Weiss, a pick, and a contract like Roberts of Nieuwendyk to balance out the salaries (I figure those guys are signed for short money).
Above all I want to solve the 2nd line centre problem, preferably with a young player who I would consider an upgrade over Ribeiro as opposed to trying to trade for a veteran. I saw Weiss play last year and he has tremendous speed and plays with lots of energy but at 23 still has room for improvement.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 29, 2006 13:09:09 GMT -5
Coming full circle on you, Doc, any team who wants Souray has to make room for his salary next year if they want to keep him. That's easier said than done. Cheers. San Jose has that room. They will be off the hook for Malakhov's 3.5mil contract at the end of the season, so they could accomodate Souray. As you said, Gainey has been rumored to be intered in Bell last year. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 29, 2006 13:16:13 GMT -5
No way SJ gives up Marleau. I'm thinking about if we can swing a trade with Florida for maybe Stephen Weiss who fits nicely with the small/fast/skilled model like Buffalo. The Panthers seem to have a good mix of youth (Jokinen, Horton, Weiss, Bouwmeester) and veterans (Nieuwendyk, Roberts, Bertuzzi) but can't seem to get it together. They list Jokinen, Horton, and Weiss as centers on their depth chart so they have a surplus. Problem is it looks they the problem in Florida is defense and goaltending and we don't have any defense to give for a young player like Weiss (Florida isn't going to win this year so no point in trading for a pending UFA like Souray). But maybe they just want to shake things up. I would trade Samsonov/Ryder plus Pleks/Perezhogin plus maybe even Carey Price for Stephen Weiss, a pick, and a contract like Roberts of Nieuwendyk to balance out the salaries (I figure those guys are signed for short money). Above all I want to solve the 2nd line centre problem, preferably with a young player who I would consider an upgrade over Ribeiro as opposed to trying to trade for a veteran. I saw Weiss play last year and he has tremendous speed and plays with lots of energy but at 23 still has room for improvement. I agree. They have Marleau signed for 2 years, he's on pace for almost a hundred points. Forget it. I haven't seen Weiss a lot but I wonder how much of an upgrade he'd be over a guy like Pleks? Seems like he's having problem settling into an offensive role, even on a team with limited offensive talent. |
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Post by Douper on Nov 29, 2006 13:17:33 GMT -5
Bell is garbage. He can't even put up numbers playing with the Hart/Art Ross + Richard trophy winners!
No way I would trade Bell for Souray straight up.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 29, 2006 13:41:40 GMT -5
Bell is garbage. He can't even put up numbers playing with the Hart/Art Ross + Richard trophy winners! No way I would trade Bell for Souray straight up. Garbage is bit much. Sometimes a player just isn't put in a situation he can succeed in, ragardless of the quality of the players around him. And sometimes he's just in a bind. Bell might not the hot ticket he was once hyped to be but I wouldn't put it past him to break out if put in the right mix. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2006 20:51:22 GMT -5
Bell is garbage. He can't even put up numbers playing with the Hart/Art Ross + Richard trophy winners! No way I would trade Bell for Souray straight up. Garbage is bit much. Sometimes a player just isn't put in a situation he can succeed in, ragardless of the quality of the players around him. And sometimes he's just in a bind. Bell might not the hot ticket he was once hyped to be but I wouldn't put it past him to break out if put in the right mix. Maybe Niinimaa needs another change of scenery.  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 1, 2006 9:36:16 GMT -5
Dandy reiterated that he's going back on D very shortly
"J'en ai pas pour longtemps à l'avant, assure-t-il.
"J'ai vraiment hâte de retrouver mon partenaire", a-t-il répété avec insistance.
"I don't have much time left playing forward
then he insists "I can't wait to get back with my partner (Bouillon)."
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Post by HabSolute on Dec 1, 2006 10:28:38 GMT -5
Dandy reiterated that he's going back on D very shortly "J'en ai pas pour longtemps à l'avant, assure-t-il.
"J'ai vraiment hâte de retrouver mon partenaire", a-t-il répété avec insistance. "I don't have much time left playing forward
then he insists "I can't wait to get back with my partner (Bouillon)."He obviously knows something we don't... He would never say that he he wasn't told clearly that he was going back on defense. Very curious to see how this plays out.... |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 1, 2006 11:41:41 GMT -5
Dandy reiterated that he's going back on D very shortly "J'en ai pas pour longtemps à l'avant, assure-t-il.
"J'ai vraiment hâte de retrouver mon partenaire", a-t-il répété avec insistance. "I don't have much time left playing forward
then he insists "I can't wait to get back with my partner (Bouillon)."Personally I think Dandy and Bouillon are a weak pairing and Dandy should be with Rivet .... but that's just me.  |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 1, 2006 20:38:32 GMT -5
TSN is reporting Ossi Vaananen is being shopped around....
From the ice-chips section:
With Jordan Leopold scheduled to make his debut Saturday against the Canucks, coach Joel Quenneville will have to sit one of his current defencemen. There are indications the Avs may be trying to move one of their seven healthy defencemen via a trade. One NHL management source said Thursday the Avs have had talks with a couple of teams about Ossi Vaananen. Quenneville indicated Jose Theodore will start against the Canucks. He is 3-0 against them this season. - Devner Post
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Post by habmeister on Dec 3, 2006 16:12:30 GMT -5
Vancouver Seventeen and I were going through a possible Van/Mtl trade scenario. The Canucks need offense and Souray would help them there. Souray's salary next year will be an issue and Gainey would have to make room in his current roster to accomodate the salary coming the other way. If it's only Souray going the other way then I'd look at Brendan Morrison and D, Luc Bourdon. This frees up the d position Gainey wants, while securing a 2nd line centre and a future blue chip d-man. On the surface it would look like a lopsided trade for Vancouver and I wouldn't do it unless someone else who could immediately help the club could be obtained. But if it turns into a multi-player deal, with say, Samsonov (who fits the Canucks style of play), then additional players/considerations must be talked over. Salo maybe? (Late edit: if the Nucks were to move Salo our way, watch for Gainey to move another d-man if only for 'future considerations.' sorry no way do the canucks give up on bourdon for anything. they're already one of the thinnest in the whole nhl in prospects. i've been seriously thinking that morrisson for samsonov straight across may very well work. sergei might be better in the western conference and we get a very capable 2nd/3rd line center. they both make about the same money too. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 3, 2006 19:17:35 GMT -5
Vancouver Seventeen and I were going through a possible Van/Mtl trade scenario. The Canucks need offense and Souray would help them there. Souray's salary next year will be an issue and Gainey would have to make room in his current roster to accomodate the salary coming the other way. If it's only Souray going the other way then I'd look at Brendan Morrison and D, Luc Bourdon. This frees up the d position Gainey wants, while securing a 2nd line centre and a future blue chip d-man. On the surface it would look like a lopsided trade for Vancouver and I wouldn't do it unless someone else who could immediately help the club could be obtained. But if it turns into a multi-player deal, with say, Samsonov (who fits the Canucks style of play), then additional players/considerations must be talked over. Salo maybe? (Late edit: if the Nucks were to move Salo our way, watch for Gainey to move another d-man if only for 'future considerations.' sorry no way do the canucks give up on bourdon for anything. they're already one of the thinnest in the whole nhl in prospects. i've been seriously thinking that morrisson for samsonov straight across may very well work. sergei might be better in the western conference and we get a very capable 2nd/3rd line center. they both make about the same money too. One of the reasons Samsonov signed with us was because he wanted back in the Eastern Conference. |
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Post by HabSolute on Dec 4, 2006 9:04:09 GMT -5
sorry no way do the canucks give up on bourdon for anything. they're already one of the thinnest in the whole nhl in prospects. i've been seriously thinking that morrisson for samsonov straight across may very well work. sergei might be better in the western conference and we get a very capable 2nd/3rd line center. they both make about the same money too. One of the reasons Samsonov signed with us was because he wanted back in the Eastern Conference. Too bad for him, who cares..... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 4, 2006 13:39:15 GMT -5
One of the reasons Samsonov signed with us was because he wanted back in the Eastern Conference. Too bad for him, who cares..... ...right now he looks more and more like a 3.5mil Albatros. |
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Post by PTH on Dec 5, 2006 0:00:13 GMT -5
Too bad for him, who cares..... ...right now he looks more and more like a 3.5mil Albatros. Yup. Audette, take 2. If tomorrow morning he got run over by a bus, we'd be a better team for it, if only because of available cap space. |
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 5, 2006 2:33:20 GMT -5
Carbo said he spoke to Dandy who's not happy to be playing as a forward right now. Carbo said that the situation was only a temporary one. Obvioulsy Bob is trying to move one of the other 6 men so Dandy can get back on D. Or, he is trying to move Dandy. I don't think it's likely, but I wouldn't discount the possibility. |
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