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Post by HabSolute on Nov 28, 2006 15:43:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it is permitted to put EKLUND's rumor here, but if not, you can delete it. Just thought it was an interesting subject for discussion since the Habs are mentionned.... www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=3888Does it make any sense for us ? He cost a bundle doesn't he ? and they definitely don't need a goalie..... First reaction is: makes no sense |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2006 15:57:12 GMT -5
Naslund's contract is for 6 million ... however we are roughly 27% into the season ...so Markus only has $4.38 million left on it.
If we trade Ryder and Souray (just because they are in every rumour) than it might be enough to make this trade.
Souray + Ryder = 4.518 million - 0.27(4.518) = 3.3 million
We have by my calculations 1.1 million in cap room. With 27% of the season gone this equates to about 1.4 million in yearly salary ... so we'd have $4.7 million to pay off Naslund's $4.38 million. (This does not include the savings of about $187,000 the Habs have on Bouillon's salary) ... so we are closer to 4.9 million.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2006 16:04:58 GMT -5
If this deal was to go through, then Carbo's intention is to play Lats on the top two lines for the whole year and to convert Lats or Higgins to a right winger IMO. Naslund plays LW, so it still doesn't solve our second line center problem unless Higgins plays center?
Naslund - Koivu - Lats
Samsonov-Higgins-Kovalev
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Higgins - Koivu - Lats
Naslund - Pleky - Kovalev
From a personel perspective it doesnt make sense to get a LW. Can Naslund play center?
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Post by clear observer on Nov 29, 2006 14:29:47 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Nov 29, 2006 19:30:46 GMT -5
Good. Last year he played on the wing with Morrison as his center. And this year he is playing wing with the Sedins ..... if he can play center then it makes sense, but I dont want to get him and then "experiment" with him at center. EDIT: If we get Naslund, I want him wearing #26 ..... brings back memories of when had players who got more than 70 points!! ;D |
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2006 20:52:51 GMT -5
EDIT: If we get Naslund, I want him wearing #26 ..... brings back memories of when had players who got more than 70 points!! ;D No one has worn it since Dagenais left. Are you sure the Habs haven't retired it. |
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Post by habmeister on Dec 3, 2006 16:16:36 GMT -5
i've never seen him take a draw for the canucks CO. where do you get this info, or are you just saying to get him there?! i like naslund, he needs to not be a captain though, he's a leader but he's too passive to be a captain. i think you could trade souray/ryder/samsonov for naslund/morrisson/salo. or any combo of those players. |
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Post by princelh on Dec 3, 2006 19:07:50 GMT -5
How about Naslund for Kovalev, even up? Makes sense from here.
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Post by habmeister on Dec 6, 2006 2:05:36 GMT -5
canucks wouldn't do that deal, naslund is almost god here. i don't think kovalev would want any part of this sinking ship
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Post by Psycorp on Dec 6, 2006 21:06:21 GMT -5
I don't think Naslund is the real target here, Vancouver are definitly interrested in someone from the habs, Spectors trade rumors report the entire Vancouver scouting staff was at the Boston Montreal game... Vancouver are extremely thin at right wing, Naslund, Pyatt, daniel Sedin, Bulis are all natural left wingers and are struggling at right wing, the only real RW are Jason King and Linden by default, To me the real target is not Souray but Ryder... On Montreal side, we are talking about keeping Latendresse with Koivu on Higgins return or put #21 back with Koivu, why not both, Latendresse played RW in the Q and made an excellent line on RW last year,s preseason on a line: Hossa Bonk Latendresse, Perezhogin and Kostsitsyn can also play RW. In addition, Ryder's playoff performances were mediocre 2 years ago and really average last year, can we afford to lose him? that's a gamble, 30 goals a year don't grow on tree... but yes we can if the return fill a bigger need. what do we need? ideally, a big right handed center good defensively able to play on the second line the answer: Ryan Kesler: 6'2 RH center, play a rugged style, a really good skater, proved he could chip-in offensively and is only 22 On the bad side: He does'nt have a good year, 3g 2p -5 23pim, he is overpaid thanks to Philadelphia making him a ridiculous offer as a restricted agent this summer and his offensive ceilling is limited Vancouver would have to sweetten the deal to make it work but they are getting desperate so i think a deal could be made around those two (if they could only take Niinimaa as well  ) Possible Line-up: Higgins Koivu Latendresse Samsonov Kesler Kovalev Perezhogin Bonk Johnson Begin Plecanek Downey/Kostsitsyn/Lapierre Higgins Koivu Kovalev Samsonov Kesler Latendresse Perezhogin Bonk Johnson Begin Plecanek Downey/Kostsitsyn/Lapierre A young Steeve Rucchin? me likee... ;D Tough? |
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Post by sergejean on Dec 6, 2006 22:11:39 GMT -5
I don't think Naslund is the real target here, Vancouver are definitly interrested in someone from the habs, Spectors trade rumors report the entire Vancouver scouting staff was at the Boston Montreal game... Vancouver are extremely thin at right wing, Naslund, Pyatt, daniel Sedin, Bulis are all natural left wingers and are struggling at right wing, the only real RW are Jason King and Linden by default, To me the real target is not Souray but Ryder... On Montreal side, we are talking about keeping Latendresse with Koivu on Higgins return or put #21 back with Koivu, why not both, Latendresse played RW in the Q and made an excellent line on RW last year,s preseason on a line: Hossa Bonk Latendresse, Perezhogin and Kostsitsyn can also play RW. In addition, Ryder's playoff performances were mediocre 2 years ago and really average last year, can we afford to lose him? that's a gamble, 30 goals a year don't grow on tree... but yes we can if the return fill a bigger need. what do we need? ideally, a big right handed center good defensively able to play on the second line the answer: Ryan Kesler: 6'2 RH center, play a rugged style, a really good skater, proved he could chip-in offensively and is only 22 On the bad side: He does'nt have a good year, 3g 2p -5 23pim, he is overpaid thanks to Philadelphia making him a ridiculous offer as a restricted agent this summer and his offensive ceilling is limited Vancouver would have to sweetten the deal to make it work but they are getting desperate so i think a deal could be made around those two (if they could only take Niinimaa as well ) Possible Line-up: Higgins Koivu Latendresse Samsonov Kesler Kovalev Perezhogin Bonk Johnson Begin Plecanek Downey/Kostsitsyn/Lapierre Higgins Koivu Kovalev Samsonov Kesler Latendresse Perezhogin Bonk Johnson Begin Plecanek Downey/Kostsitsyn/Lapierre A young Steeve Rucchin? me likee... ;D Tough? If you think about it, we were fairly good while Higgins was injured and Ryder was for the most part in a slump. So, in our line-up, it would mean that Higgins replaces Ryder and we get to improve another position... I don't know about your proposed deal but I would seriously think about it. As you said, if we can convince them to take Niinimaa, I would pull the trigger. Ryder Niinimaa for Kessler 3rd round |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 7:17:37 GMT -5
If we can get a decent second line center I would trade Ryder. We have right wingers up our wazoo ... but I would rather Morrison then Kessler.
Ryder
Souray
Morrison
Bourdon
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 7, 2006 8:26:42 GMT -5
If we can get a decent second line center I would trade Ryder. We have right wingers up our wazoo ... but I would rather Morrison then Kessler. Ryder Souray Morrison Bourdon pick I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 10:11:13 GMT -5
If we can get a decent second line center I would trade Ryder. We have right wingers up our wazoo ... but I would rather Morrison then Kessler. Ryder Souray Morrison Bourdon pick I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. The Nucks blueline is thin .. thats why we give them Souray. If we take Salo and Bourdon well they aren't thin anymore they are transparent. The way I look at it, if they want a 30 goal scorer and a PP specialist on pace for another 30 goals, they have to ante up. Bourdon then has to be in the deal .... if not we go to another team until we get what we want. No more settling, or making a trade just to make a trade. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 7, 2006 11:38:42 GMT -5
If we can get a decent second line center I would trade Ryder. We have right wingers up our wazoo ... but I would rather Morrison then Kessler. Ryder Souray Morrison Bourdon pick I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. Spectors is reporting a rumore pretty similar to that of Salo/Morrisson for Souray and a player to be named. Now to make sense cap wise, that player to be named has to be Samsonov. For the first part, Morrisson seems to be Vancouver's version of our Samsonov, be it an underperforming player with an overpaid contract. That being said, Samsonov is younger and has better career stats. If the 2 of them get back to playing to their potential, Sammy is the better player. We do need a center but I don't know about you but Morrison doesn't get my blood pumping. This trade would be an exchange of headaches but I can see Samsonov turning it around but I really wonder if Morrisson can turn it around with Mr. Kovalev... For the second part, Souray vs Salo would be a complete steal for Vancouver. In essence I'd run away from this deal. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 7, 2006 13:22:06 GMT -5
I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. Spectors is reporting a rumore pretty similar to that of Salo/Morrisson for Souray and a player to be named. Now to make sense cap wise, that player to be named has to be Samsonov. For the first part, Morrisson seems to be Vancouver's version of our Samsonov, be it an underperforming player with an overpaid contract. That being said, Samsonov is younger and has better career stats. If the 2 of them get back to playing to their potential, Sammy is the better player. We do need a center but I don't know about you but Morrison doesn't get my blood pumping. This trade would be an exchange of headaches but I can see Samsonov turning it around but I really wonder if Morrisson can turn it around with Mr. Kovalev... For the second part, Souray vs Salo would be a complete steal for Vancouver. In essence I'd run away from this deal. Just went to Spector's and saw the rumour, Doc. Hard to know where these radio stations draw their conclusions from or how creditable their sources are. For all we know they could be reading some hockey boards loaded with armchair amateur GM's   I think Vancouver might see Montreal's recent inconsistency and feel the timing to be right to make an offer. But, like you, I'd walk away as the deal really doesn't benefit the Habs all that much. Besides, it's all well and fine to have fun speculating this deal and that, but I just don't think it's the right time for Gainey to be pulling off major deals. I'm confident this team can sort itself out. There might be one or two players who could raise their game, but it's not all about the players. As I was saying in another thread, trading at this point might send the wrong message. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 14:23:16 GMT -5
I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. Spectors is reporting a rumore pretty similar to that of Salo/Morrisson for Souray and a player to be named. Now to make sense cap wise, that player to be named has to be Samsonov. For the first part, Morrisson seems to be Vancouver's version of our Samsonov, be it an underperforming player with an overpaid contract. That being said, Samsonov is younger and has better career stats. If the 2 of them get back to playing to their potential, Sammy is the better player. We do need a center but I don't know about you but Morrison doesn't get my blood pumping. This trade would be an exchange of headaches but I can see Samsonov turning it around but I really wonder if Morrisson can turn it around with Mr. Kovalev... For the second part, Souray vs Salo would be a complete steal for Vancouver. In essence I'd run away from this deal. Latendresse-Morrison-Kovalev certainly gets my blood pumping.... Morrison this year is suffering from Bonkitis .... crappy linemates = crappy stats. You put him on with Lats and Kovalev and you watch Kovy pad his stats. Playing on a line with Naslund and Bertuzzi he managed 5 seasons over 50 points ... our leading scorers for the past 6 years has yet to surpass 65 lets remember. Morrison had 2 seasons over 65 points in those 5 years. If we truly want to work towards a line 1a and line 1b ... we need an offensive center, and Morrison no matter how you want to turn it is an upgrade over what we have now and Ribeiro |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 7, 2006 15:40:48 GMT -5
You put him on with Lats and Kovalev and you watch Kovy pad his stats. Yes, but you put Bonk on with Lats and Kovalev, you get the same result (probably even better), save 3.2mil and keep Souray. That trade just seems like trading for the heck of it, IMO. |
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Post by Andrew on Dec 7, 2006 15:56:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested in Morrison. At least with Plekanec centering the second line it's only costing us about $450k. Can you imagine if we gave up assets to take on Morrison's 3.2 millioin salary and it did nothing so solve our second line problems? I've also read indications that he's playing hurt - which would explain his poor play: The article interviews Bertuzzi about his back surgery and rehab: Nov 15th Vancouver Province ========== Bertuzzi was keen to know what was going on in Vancouver, what the new coach was like and he was dismayed to hear what Brendan Morrison is going through, knowing he's trying to play through pain and stiffness as well. "He's such a great kid and him being the hometown guy has to make it that much tougher for him," said Bertuzzi. "I really feel for him." www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=27d3184e-000c-4505-8563-c7f40869c5d3================== |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 16:00:25 GMT -5
You put him on with Lats and Kovalev and you watch Kovy pad his stats. Yes, but you put Bonk on with Lats and Kovalev, you get the same result (probably even better), save 3.2mil and keep Souray. That trade just seems like trading for the heck of it, IMO. Then we'd need a center for the third line. I know we have Lappy, and we have Pleky .... but they are not as effective as Bonk with Johnson. As the clown says, if it aint broke, don't break it. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 16:03:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested in Morrison. At least with Plekanec centering the second line it's only costing us about $450k. Can you imagine if we gave up assets to take on Morrison's 3.2 millioin salary and it did nothing so solve our second line problems? I've also read indications that he's playing hurt - which would explain his poor play: The article interviews Bertuzzi about his back surgery and rehab: Nov 15th Vancouver Province ========== Bertuzzi was keen to know what was going on in Vancouver, what the new coach was like and he was dismayed to hear what Brendan Morrison is going through, knowing he's trying to play through pain and stiffness as well. "He's such a great kid and him being the hometown guy has to make it that much tougher for him," said Bertuzzi. "I really feel for him." www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=27d3184e-000c-4505-8563-c7f40869c5d3================== I thought we liked guys in Montreal with lots of heart. Playing through pain, can't get much more heart than that. |
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Post by Andrew on Dec 7, 2006 16:17:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't be interested in Morrison. At least with Plekanec centering the second line it's only costing us about $450k. Can you imagine if we gave up assets to take on Morrison's 3.2 millioin salary and it did nothing so solve our second line problems? I've also read indications that he's playing hurt - which would explain his poor play: The article interviews Bertuzzi about his back surgery and rehab: Nov 15th Vancouver Province ========== Bertuzzi was keen to know what was going on in Vancouver, what the new coach was like and he was dismayed to hear what Brendan Morrison is going through, knowing he's trying to play through pain and stiffness as well. "He's such a great kid and him being the hometown guy has to make it that much tougher for him," said Bertuzzi. "I really feel for him." www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=27d3184e-000c-4505-8563-c7f40869c5d3================== I thought we liked guys in Montreal with lots of heart. Playing through pain, can't get much more heart than that. For sure that's an admirable quality that we do want. It's not wise to trade for damaged goods IMO, however. Especially if it's something that could last all season and significantly limit his ability to produce. |
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Post by habmeister on Dec 13, 2006 11:21:28 GMT -5
I don't know, Skilly. H&C said the Nucks covet Bourdon and it might be a tad difficult getting him out of their system. I mentioned Samsonov in another thread. I mean his game suits the Nucks style. But I really don't know if the Nucks would want his salary. Granted they'd be ridding themselves of Morrison's. Bourdon would be nice though. Without looking at the cap, how about: To Vancouver: Souray, Samsonov (if the Nucks could be persuaded to take on the salary), Plekanec To Montreal: Morrison, Salo, Bourdon, This move would make room for Lapierre who is having a pretty decent season in Hamilton. Also, Vancouver would be getting an offensive d-man and two players who fit into their system of play. But there are drawbacks to this suggestion too. First, removing the players I cited fromt the Montreal lineup might adversely affect team chemistry. Each of these guys contribute to the club both on and off the ice. And, it's possible this might be taken as a message to the rest of the players as well. Some might think they were playing in Philadelphia and might think no one is safe. Secondly, I highly doubt the Nucks would take on Samsonov's salary. It's not like the Sam Pollock era after all. And thirdly, as H&C said, the Nucks blueline is thin as it is. Luc Bourdon will be a part of that rebuild me thinks. But, it's good to have fun with trade ideas anyway. Cheers. Spectors is reporting a rumore pretty similar to that of Salo/Morrisson for Souray and a player to be named. Now to make sense cap wise, that player to be named has to be Samsonov. For the first part, Morrisson seems to be Vancouver's version of our Samsonov, be it an underperforming player with an overpaid contract. That being said, Samsonov is younger and has better career stats. If the 2 of them get back to playing to their potential, Sammy is the better player. We do need a center but I don't know about you but Morrison doesn't get my blood pumping. This trade would be an exchange of headaches but I can see Samsonov turning it around but I really wonder if Morrisson can turn it around with Mr. Kovalev... For the second part, Souray vs Salo would be a complete steal for Vancouver. In essence I'd run away from this deal. hey doc, thought i'd weigh in here. morrison is a very defensively sound two way center. he is recovering from hip surgery in the summer, which as you can guess can be difficult on your skating. he was saying early in the year that it was stiff and he didn't have the mobility he usually has. his skating has improved though over the last two weeks. with bo-mo as they call him, you don't have to worry about him ever showing up, he's very good in his own end, can kill penalties, plays the point on the pp as well. kind of like a streit. as far as salo for souray goes, i really like salo, his shot is as hard as souray's and he's 10x better in his own end. i'm not sure why the canucks would make the deal though. we'd definetly be giving up some offense, but we'd get better in our own end and the 2nd line would probalby get a spark. hmmmm |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 13, 2006 15:14:53 GMT -5
hey doc, thought i'd weigh in here. morrison is a very defensively sound two way center. he is recovering from hip surgery in the summer, which as you can guess can be difficult on your skating. he was saying early in the year that it was stiff and he didn't have the mobility he usually has. his skating has improved though over the last two weeks. with bo-mo as they call him, you don't have to worry about him ever showing up, he's very good in his own end, can kill penalties, plays the point on the pp as well. kind of like a streit. as far as salo for souray goes, i really like salo, his shot is as hard as souray's and he's 10x better in his own end. i'm not sure why the canucks would make the deal though. we'd definetly be giving up some offense, but we'd get better in our own end and the 2nd line would probalby get a spark. hmmmm I don't deny that Morrisson and Salo are good players but Souray is a PP giant, he does have 7 more goals than Salo so far, so PP wise we'd be dropping and I'm not convinced that Salo's better defensive play would make up for that in the win/loss column. As for Morrisson, the fact that he's still struggling to come back from a surgery doesn't necessarely comfort me. Quite the opposite, he's on the wrong side of 30 and this could slow him down for good. He might settle into into a good 2-way center in the Bonk mold, but his salary commands way more than that. As I said, I don't think we'd clearly be moving forward in such a trade especially given Souray's importance to this team. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 14, 2006 1:27:25 GMT -5
I prefer Salo to Souray, having watched both. The problem with Salo is that he gets hurt a fair bit. Souray is tougher, but I think they're pretty even offensively and Salo is quite a bit better in his own end. Fewer brain cramps and seems to hit the glass rather than the air above the glass. Good passer.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 14, 2006 12:01:55 GMT -5
Can't say that I've seen him play all that much, but when I have I've been suitably impressed. He brings Ribeiro-like numbers (a good thing) and a superior all-around game (a better thing—yes, I said that).
The injury recovery is a bit of an iffy thing, but he is still producing at his normal rate. Besides, at age 31 he is in his hockey prime.
From Sports Forecaster:
ASSETS: Is an excellent skater and playmaker. Has racked up points at every level. Does a lot of damage with the man advantage.
FLAWS: Needs to avoid heavy traffic areas, since he's smallish in stature at only 5-11, 190 pounds. Lacks the consistency needed to play a first-line role.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Second line center.
I wouldn't shed any tears to see him center Samsonov/Perezhogin and Kovalev.
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Post by habmeister on Dec 14, 2006 14:29:22 GMT -5
hey doc, thought i'd weigh in here. morrison is a very defensively sound two way center. he is recovering from hip surgery in the summer, which as you can guess can be difficult on your skating. he was saying early in the year that it was stiff and he didn't have the mobility he usually has. his skating has improved though over the last two weeks. with bo-mo as they call him, you don't have to worry about him ever showing up, he's very good in his own end, can kill penalties, plays the point on the pp as well. kind of like a streit. as far as salo for souray goes, i really like salo, his shot is as hard as souray's and he's 10x better in his own end. i'm not sure why the canucks would make the deal though. we'd definetly be giving up some offense, but we'd get better in our own end and the 2nd line would probalby get a spark. hmmmm I don't deny that Morrisson and Salo are good players but Souray is a PP giant, he does have 7 more goals than Salo so far, so PP wise we'd be dropping and I'm not convinced that Salo's better defensive play would make up for that in the win/loss column. As for Morrisson, the fact that he's still struggling to come back from a surgery doesn't necessarely comfort me. Quite the opposite, he's on the wrong side of 30 and this could slow him down for good. He might settle into into a good 2-way center in the Bonk mold, but his salary commands way more than that. As I said, I don't think we'd clearly be moving forward in such a trade especially given Souray's importance to this team. yes souray is a pp giant, but he wouldn't have 7 more goals than salo if you switched them teams. salo has been hurt already a couple of times this season. he comes very cheaply though, if he has another year on his contract then i would prefer salo. he is a much better all-around d-man and in the playoffs teams will adjust better over a series to cover souray when we're on the pp. salo can clock it 100+ mph so put him in souray's spot blasting away and he would have nearly as many goals. as i've said he's also very good defensively. think komi with a much better shot. for now though its fun to speculate. i don't see kesler being traded by nonis, i don't see why he would match philly and then deal him. but please do not bring that rat matt cooke here. he is completely useless in the new nhl. |
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