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Post by ropoflu on Jan 2, 2007 18:41:52 GMT -5
We could have drafted Carter back in 2003 (still available when we picked Kosty, like Getzlaf), but that's another debate.  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 3, 2007 13:37:33 GMT -5
We could have drafted Carter back in 2003 (still available when we picked Kosty, like Getzlaf), but that's another debate. ...oooh don't get me started on that... I was so pissed when we blew used that pick on Bustsysin in a year where so many interesting sure NHLers prospects where available right in our backgroud.... Carter, Bernier, Getzlaf, Parise, Kessler, Richards, Perry, etc... grrrrrrrrr! |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 3, 2007 19:56:45 GMT -5
Tsk tsk, so easy to second guess in hindsight. I was all for the Kostitsyn pick because I wanted us to roll the dice and aim for the superstar, not just the better than average NHL'r. It also ain't over yet, Doc. Guy looked like a bust until year 4. At least he spoke the language and played on the regular ice surface.
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Post by jkr on Jan 3, 2007 21:14:03 GMT -5
We could have drafted Carter back in 2003 (still available when we picked Kosty, like Getzlaf), but that's another debate. ...oooh don't get me started on that... I was so pissed when we blew used that pick on Bustsysin in a year where so many interesting sure NHLers prospects where available right in our backgroud.... Carter, Bernier, Getzlaf, Parise, Kessler, Richards, Perry, etc... grrrrrrrrr! Ahh, that nickname again. And it's applied to a 21 year old averaging almost 1 PPG on the farm. I know it's not the NHL but he is improving. Some of those names are working out better so far - Getzlaf, Perry, Parise. But some of the others are struggling: Bernier - he has just been sent back to the AHL because the Sharks are concerned about his overall play. Carter - after scoring 23 goals last year, he now has 11 points in 19 games. Respectable for a 2nd year player I guess. Richards - 1 goal in 29 games. Kesler - On pace for 10 goals & 20 points. Not much for 1.9 million dollars/year. Some of those names would be nice but I'd rather have AK than someone Kesler or maybe Richards who seems to to be really struggling this year. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 3, 2007 22:28:16 GMT -5
But some of the others are struggling: Bernier - he has just been sent back to the AHL because the Sharks are concerned about his overall play. This one caught me off guard when I read it on the ticker earlier today. Can't say for sure but I think there's a lot of pressure put on Carter's shoulders right now. Forsberg hobbled off the ice again in the last game and I don't know if he'll ever be to rights again this season. This suggests something about the lack of depth in the Flyer system. Or, it could be that if they demote him they just don't want lose him on re-entry to the show. I think Kots' time will come. He's got the speed and the shot. But, the only knock I've heard is that he's ... ahem ... a Russian. I know, I know ... generalizing at its worst. But, that's the skinny. Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 4, 2007 10:21:07 GMT -5
. But, the only knock I've heard is that he's ... ahem ... a Russian. I did heard Carbo say that he was lazy, I've heard Timmins say that Kots was not his choice and that the organization was not happy with how slow he was developping and that comminucation and adaptation is still a major factor. The guy will turn 22 in a couple of weeks, I'll agree that he's not a geezer and I'll also agree that the Canadiens tend to take the extra long route to develloping players but IMO the writings on the wall are that he's became a "project". |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 4, 2007 10:37:40 GMT -5
. But, the only knock I've heard is that he's ... ahem ... a Russian. I did heard Carbo say that he was lazy, I've heard Timmins say that Kots was not his choice and that the organization was not happy with how slow he was developping and that comminucation and adaptation is still a major factor. The guy will turn 22 in a couple of weeks, I'll agree that he's not a geezer and I'll also agree that the Canadiens tend to take the extra long route to develloping players but IMO the writings on the wall are that he's became a "project".They knew he was a project from the moment they drafted him .... teams stayed away from him because of his epilepsy. When Montreal drafted him he was immediately in the hands of Dr. Mulder trying to determine if they could "fix" the problem. Mulder discovered he was on the wrong medication, and the medication they gave him is not readily available in Russia(?) ... or something like that. He was a gamble from the start. But the gamble still has time to pay off ... most players do not see the light of Montreal until 23 or 24. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 4, 2007 11:42:46 GMT -5
He was a gamble from the start. ...that was my problem from the start. With the quality depth available in that draft, taking a gamble with the 10th choice wasn't clever IMO. While he might have an NHL carreer I don't think this guy will ever be able to meet the hype of being such a high pick. ...but we're moving away from the Ryder trade are we... |
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Post by blny on Jan 4, 2007 11:52:22 GMT -5
Philly wouldn't lose Richards on waivers if they demote him. He doesn't have to pass through waivers in either direction.
I think we're starting to see what Kostitsyn is capable of. He's doing very well this year, and didn't look out of place in the limited time he spent with Montreal this season. I'm prepared to be patient with him because there is so much potential. His attitude appears good, and he's willing to get dirty on the ice. I think it bodes well.
If he continues to impress in Hamilton in the second half it's going to make things even more difficult for management. With the well known plethora of forwards about, and the lack of scoring centres, it will force BG's hand.
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Post by ropoflu on Jan 4, 2007 12:48:33 GMT -5
. ...but we're moving away from the Ryder trade are we... To bridge the two subjects: with Kost getting closer and closer to the NHL, we will soon face a congestion on the right wing. Ryder Kovalev Kostsitsyn Perezhogin (a natural RW, a look at his goals on youtube convinced me) Johnson It's obvious to me that at least one of these won't be wearing the habs uniform next year. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 5, 2007 16:58:18 GMT -5
. ...but we're moving away from the Ryder trade are we... To bridge the two subjects: with Kost getting closer and closer to the NHL, we will soon face a congestion on the right wing. Ryder Kovalev Kostsitsyn Perezhogin (a natural RW, a look at his goals on youtube convinced me) Johnson It's obvious to me that at least one of these won't be wearing the habs uniform next year. This is where it gets dangerous, not too long ago our lack of goal scorers was arguably our biggest problem. From the list you do, IMO only Ryder, Higgins, Lats and Kovalev are top 6 players on a good team and still, only Ryder and Kovalev actualy did broke the 25 goals mark and in Kovalev's case it was 5 years ago... Perezhogin is, IMO, a Bulis clone, ie a decent 3rd liner with weels. I don't think he'll ever devellop into a goal scorer because usually goal scorers, just like Ryder and Higgins, don't take that much time to actually show their stuff on a regular basis. When a goal scorer prospect stays within a 10 goals per year mark for 2 NHL season, I have doubt he'll suddenly blossom. Not impossible but not common... Johnson isn't a scoring machine either and is a rather expensive 3rd line player. You know how I fell about Kots. We're not even sure if he'll have an NHL carreer, let alone become a top contributor. Come trade deadline time he's exactly the kind of prospect I'd dangle in exchange of a player to help us in our playoff race. So you have Higgins and Lats on the left and Ryder and Kovy on the right. Take away one and you could very well find yourself back in the familiar territory of "who'll be the 6th winger tonight" that we played last year. Of course if Sammy didn't stink so much than we could think about puting Lats back on RW (as he was in junior), and than Ryder would become expandable but right now I'd defenitely keep Ryder over Sammy... Not saying Ryder is untouchable but if there is any way that we can keep Koivu, Higgins, Ryder, Lats, Kovalev AND add a center, than we'd be really rockin'. |
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Post by ropoflu on Jan 5, 2007 17:31:01 GMT -5
To bridge the two subjects: with Kost getting closer and closer to the NHL, we will soon face a congestion on the right wing. Ryder Kovalev Kostsitsyn Perezhogin (a natural RW, a look at his goals on youtube convinced me) Johnson It's obvious to me that at least one of these won't be wearing the habs uniform next year. This is where it gets dangerous, not too long ago our lack of goal scorers was arguably our biggest problem. From the list you do, IMO only Ryder, Higgins, Lats and Kovalev are top 6 players on a good team and still, only Ryder and Kovalev actualy did broke the 25 goals mark and in Kovalev's case it was 5 years ago... Perezhogin is, IMO, a Bulis clone, ie a decent 3rd liner with weels. I don't think he'll ever devellop into a goal scorer because usually goal scorers, just like Ryder and Higgins, don't take that much time to actually show their stuff on a regular basis. When a goal scorer prospect stays within a 10 goals per year mark for 2 NHL season, I have doubt he'll suddenly blossom. Not impossible but not common... Johnson isn't a scoring machine either and is a rather expensive 3rd line player. You know how I fell about Kots. We're not even sure if he'll have an NHL carreer, let alone become a top contributor. Come trade deadline time he's exactly the kind of prospect I'd dangle in exchange of a player to help us in our playoff race. So you have Higgins and Lats on the left and Ryder and Kovy on the right. Take away one and you could very well find yourself back in the familiar territory of "who'll be the 6th winger tonight" that we played last year. Of course if Sammy didn't stink so much than we could think about puting Lats back on RW (as he was in junior), and than Ryder would become expandable but right now I'd defenitely keep Ryder over Sammy... Not saying Ryder is untouchable but if there is any way that we can keep Koivu, Higgins, Ryder, Lats, Kovalev AND add a center, than we'd be really rockin'. Forgot to mention that Johnson is UFA next year. So he might be the man out. Let's say we don't sign Bonk either. 2007-2008 Lineup Higgins - Koivu - Ryder Latendresse -  - Kovalev Samsonov - Plekanec - Perezhogin Begin - Lapierre - Ferland/Streit/Kostsitsyn/whoever Our second line center here could be Grabovsky, if he rapidly adapts and improves to a level where he dominate the AHL, but I wouldn't bet on it. If that happens however that would probably leaves us with more money to sign Markov and maybe get Ryder to sign a long term contract. Another low odds scenario involved Lapierre developing into a consistent scoring threat and would then be a strong candidate for 2nd line duty. Back to the RW situation, well, looking at that 2007-08 picture, I guess Kostsitsyn (or another RW) could very well be shopped around but it's ain't obvious as I first thought. |
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