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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 18, 2002 18:40:22 GMT -5
Not a forward, not even a d-man. Link:http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/HOCKEYLNHCAN3E00FE59.html The reason...they don't want to call up Hainsey just so he can sit in the pressbox(oh my...what a great blueline we have...let's sit the 25th best prospect in the league amd keep the dynamic group together! ) and Bouillon is still injured. Plus, Ribeiro's agent, unhappy with the lack of ice time for his client, met with AS today...
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Post by TheHabsfan on Dec 18, 2002 19:31:25 GMT -5
I can understand why no forward was called up...it would be hard to bring up extras when you already have big bucks sitting out. Maybe this is Chow's chance to get back in the groove. Let's hope. As for Ribeiro, although I despise MT, I can't argue his decision. Ribeiro hasn't proven anything to me yet, so until he does, wait your turn. But as I mentionned in another thread, he should be on the PP instead of Audette (NOT ON THE BLUELINE ). The rat is useless. This would at least get Ribs some more minutes.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 18, 2002 19:32:23 GMT -5
Meehan might know of a team interested in Ribs...
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Post by habmeister on Dec 18, 2002 19:51:06 GMT -5
Sometimes its difficult to get into a groove on the ice when you play limited minutes. Rather than being rested, you feel rusty when you get out there. Just my two cents, but i'd rather play 20+ and get into a groove, than 8-10 and get bored on the bench.
Besides what is ribeiro doing on the point? He would play better if he had someone who finishes. Audette definetly ain't a finisher this season.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 18, 2002 23:15:48 GMT -5
I don't think anybody's really happy playing less than 12 minutes, as a forward. 4th liners get used to it, but anybody in shape to play pro hockey can go at least 15 minutes. If it weren't an 82 game sched, I bet Koivu would be happy to play 20 or 22 minutes. By the way, I think Therrien's making an effort to keep Koivu's ice time down around 17 or 18 minutes. If he burns Koivu out the team will pay for it.
As for Ribeiro, what does he want? A trade? He can't expect to get more ice than Gilmour or Perreault, so that's the only other option. As far as I'm concerned, he should be glad to makeing 800,000 usd this year! After all, he's got a family to think about. Having said that, I would think their might be a team or two that could find him a regular shift as a second line center on a trial basis.
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Post by Patty Roy on Dec 19, 2002 9:54:15 GMT -5
Plus, Ribeiro's agent, unhappy with the lack of ice time for his client, met with AS today... Argh...i think Ribeiro and his agent should just be happy he's in the NHL right now. The team is playing fairly well and there is obviously no room for Ribs on one of the top 3 lines right now.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 19, 2002 10:57:53 GMT -5
Well, I don't particularily like that "not calling up another defenseman" thingy there.
Six defensemen, particularily with these bozos, is just not the way to go. A couple of them have deserved to sit over the last couple of weeks (*cough cough, Karl Dykhuis, cough, cough*) , and with no motivation, or fear that they will be actually benched, they get a little complacent. The result is we ended up having defensemen playing 10 minutes a game - veteran defensemen playing 10 minutes a game - while some of our other guys play hurt, beat themselves up fighting, or get their faces sliced open.
I don't buy this "we don't want Hainsey sitting in the press box" theory. They dragged him around with the team all last week, didn't they? And he wasn't even on the roster. No ice time there, and they didn't seem to mind... And who said it had to be Hainsey? Call up anyone. Beauchemin, Descoteaux, Komisarek for 3 days, whatever. Like Marc said, its not like we have a fantastic group of d-men manning our blueline. If having Beauchemin sitting in the stands, pushing Dykhuis a little bit, makes Karl bear down and try a little harder, then why not? What happens if Traverse twists an ankle in warmup, and can't play one night? Not hurt enough to go on IR, but not good enough to play? Too late to call up anyone and get them there in time for the game, so you go with 5 defensemen?
Unnecessary risk, in my opinion. Especially since we have the open roster spot now. Unless of course, Savard has got a pre-holiday trade free deal in the works...
As for Ribeiro, his agent is just doing his job. In fact, his agent is probably doing a very good job. They aren't dumb, they can see the writing on the wall. With Gilmour's resurgence, they can see that Ribeiro isn't going to do anything with the team this year, and next year the team will have Koivu, Perrault and Juneau down the middle (and maybe even Gilmour again) so he won't have any impact on the team next year either. Czerkawski and Audette will probably still be with the team (Audi more likely than Chow), add in Hossa and Ward who are tearing up the AHL, maybe Plekanec, and possibly even Ryder or the quietly surging Eric Chouinard, and things don't look so rosy for little Mikey as a winger either.
His agent is just looking out for his client. Ribeiro's contract is up this year, and with no ice time, and no future in the organization, how much do you think he is going to get? How much will he get at the end of next year (assuming he signs a one year deal) when he hasn't played much again? His very career is teteering on the edge here. By trying to get Ribeiro moved now, there is still a chance he could salvage something. Say he goes to a team that gives him somewhat decent minutes, maybe he can show enough to warrant a (better) contract, and maybe that new team will give him more of an opportunity to establish himself.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 19, 2002 11:10:19 GMT -5
Is there a single team out there that would not only trade for Ribeiro but also use him this year? I can't think of one.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 19, 2002 11:21:07 GMT -5
I agree.
Ribeiro wouldn't even crack NASHVILLE's top 2 lines as a center.
BC, yes they had Hainsey up for that Western road trip as ''insurance'' in case a d-man went down...I guess they figure they will be able to call up Hainsey and have him up in time(all are games are in the East for the next week/10 days) if we have an injured d-man. And it looks like it will take an injured d-man for him to return to the Habs.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 19, 2002 11:26:51 GMT -5
I have been claiming that Rib's agent should get Mickey out of Montreal since last year. HABS are not a team that will give youngster a chance in the short term and Ribs is ready in the short term.
Why did Savard resigned Ribs, Ward, Garon is beyond me... Why did they steal Gratton from Calgary to let him rot in the AHL... Why O'dette? Why Bouillon?
In their quest for insane depth, HABS are very detrimental to many player's carreer. Vets and youngsters. How many players have been rumored to want want out of this organization? That could leave scars.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 19, 2002 11:38:32 GMT -5
Ribeiro doesn't have to crack a top 2 line, he just has to crack into the lineup on a consistant basis, something he can't do here, and won't do here.
Nashville's 3rd and 4th centers are Rem Murray and Clark Wilm.
Phoenix is using Kelly Buchberger (still??)
Calgary has Mattias Johansson (who?)
Columbus has Mike Sillinger and Lasse Pirjeta (who?)
Minnesota has Wes Walz, Jim Dowd, Stephane Vielleux, PM Bouchard, and Sergie Zholtok as their #1 (somebody remind me again, how this team keeps winning? oh yeah, coaching)
Atlanta has Tony Hrkac and Pascal Rheaume.
And so on.
Lots of teams who could probably afford to give Ribeiro a decent shot. Not saying they will give up the moon for him, but that isn't the concern of Ribeiro's agent, now is it? If Savard said "who wants Ribeiro for a 7th?" teams would be lining up for him, especially since they can walk away from him at the end of the year, if they don't like what they see...
As for Hainsey, he can't be called up, or I should say he won't make it in time for the game, if Quintal takes a warmup shot off the noggin and feels woozy for a little bit, now can he? So we'll have to play 5 defenseman. Plus, having only 6 still doesn't address the "no need to go all out, what are they going to do, bench me?" attitude that may or may not be setting in with, say, oh, I don't know, Karl Dykhuis (though admittedly he would be the only one showing signs of this). Again, it doesn't have to be Hainsey, if they are so concerned about him missing ice time in Hamilton. Call up Beauchemin. Or Descoteaux. They can sit in the stands. Call up Komisarek for 2 days, in between Hamilton games, to give him a taste of the NHL. Whatever. Doesn't matter. For a team which so much "depth" we're one banana peel away from playing a game shorthanded. If Brisebois comes down with stomach cramps because that hot dog he ate wouldn't quite make it past the Health Minister's Pass List (course, NHL teams never suffer from food poisoning, right?) our team will look really, really dumb. That doesn't seem smart to me.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 19, 2002 11:43:03 GMT -5
Nashville's 3rd and 4th centers are Rem Murray and Clark Wilm. To quote what you always say...''team building concept'' Ribeiro doesn't fit on a defensive minded 3rd line or grinding 4th line On the 4th line because Kolanos is injured. Made the Swedish Olympic team last year and Cassels, Knusten and Wright. No place for Ribeiro Coaching and Gaborik ;D and the emerging Stefan and Marc Savard Agreed.
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Post by Rhiessan on Dec 19, 2002 13:15:52 GMT -5
I say trade him to Det and see how long it takes him to crack into that lineup ;D
In the mean time tell him to shut up and stop crying. I hate it when an unproven guy cry's about icetime especially when they do it through their agents. Honestly I'd send him down to the A if I could(waivers probably the only thing stopping AS) and bring up Ward, he's a better fit on the 4th anyway. Show me 1 guy on our first 3 lines that should lose time to Riberio right now.
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Post by jkr on Dec 19, 2002 19:04:22 GMT -5
My beef with Ribeiro is that he just doesn't seem to work hard enough. If I'm not mistaken, he aslo had that rap in junior. I watched him on Marleau's goal on Tuesday. While Marleau is steaming into the Habs zone I see Ribeiro cruising around centre. He didn't look like he was in any particular hurry.
He has examples on this team if he cares to look for motivation. Kilger was benched, didn't complain - publicly anyway and then made the most of his opportunity with a lot of effort. And he should also look to Gilmour. In size, skating ability and skill they are a lot alike. Gilmour has turned his attributes into a 20 year career & 1400 points with a Cup along the way. He has always played with a lot of determination & isn't afraid to get his nose dirty.
Here's a novel concept Ribeiro - earn your ice time on the ice, not in the press. Make the most of the opportunities presented to you.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2002 22:20:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Ribeiro would quite possibly have made the team this year had he not been injured in the pre-season. I know injuries are part of the game, but the timing on this one sucked big time.
I think he still has what it takes, but what are you going to do? I don't blame him a bit for being discouraged really. Ah, well.
I've also noticed BC referring to Descôteaux several times. I know several of you have been to the Hamilton games this year. Anyone know how he's doing?
I also don't mind moving Dykhuis to the pressbox. I liked how he contributed over the past few years, but his play has ebbed this year.
Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 19, 2002 22:28:24 GMT -5
I've also noticed BC referring to Descôteaux several times. I know several of you have been to the Hamilton games this year. Anyone know how he's doing? He is in Utah...Montreal how is he doing?
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Post by KR on Dec 19, 2002 23:28:59 GMT -5
I've also noticed BC referring to Descôteaux several times. I know several of you have been to the Hamilton games this year. Anyone know how he's doing? . Descoteaux is playing in Utah, not Hamilton, Dis. He has 2 G and 3 A in 24 games.
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Post by montreal on Dec 20, 2002 0:26:51 GMT -5
He is in Utah...Montreal how is he doing? He sits every 3 games, or so. Not doing bad, but taking some dumb penalities.
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