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Post by princelh on Feb 4, 2007 11:22:03 GMT -5
According to the Toronto Sun today, Nathan Horton has asked to be traded from the Florida Panthers. He has told friends, that he is tired of not getting the same ice time as he did a year ago. A good pickup of a good young gun, if sent to the proper team.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 4, 2007 12:15:36 GMT -5
Interesting.
Horton would be a great addition to any team. This guy has the potential to be a consistent 40 goal scorer IMO.
Ryder plus a 2nd rd. pick?
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Post by franko on Feb 4, 2007 12:42:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately it'll take more -- probably a bit of a bidding war for a good young player.
I'd be inclined to spend and buy.
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Post by clear observer on Feb 4, 2007 13:36:09 GMT -5
Interesting. Horton would be a great addition to any team. This guy has the potential to be a consistent 40 goal scorer IMO. Ryder plus a 2nd rd. pick? Throw in Souray. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 4, 2007 13:57:32 GMT -5
Nathan Horton only make 1.1 million and is a restricted free agent at the end of the year.
1.1 million /186 * 38 = $225,000 left on his contract. We dont have to move anyone from a cap perspective.
Carey Price and nadda ting more.
Florida is around 41 million now, so they have 3 million cap space ..... so they could take almost anyone.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 4, 2007 17:26:25 GMT -5
I would prefer to hold on to Carey Price.
Ryder's a good starting point...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2007 18:11:40 GMT -5
Betuzzi will most likely not return to Florida, either. They never ever seem to make any progress, the Panthers.
DOB: May 29, 1985
Age: 21
Place of Birth: Welland, Ont., Canada
HT: 6-2 WT: 201
Shoots: R
NHL Seasons: 2
He's a right-handed shot, something we've been needing. At 15 goals and 38 points he's having a pretty good year. But at this point, he's like a younger version of Ryder with possibly more upside. Since Florida may need a goaltender, too, I'd possibly do a Samsonov and/or Ryder plus Halak or Danis with Florida tossing us a pick with Horton.
Auld isn't doing the job in nets and Belfour's back is literally going to snap.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 4, 2007 19:50:47 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be interested in Abby?
Ryder + Abby for Horton + Auld?
Aside from getting the best player in the deal, the Habs save some cap room too.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 4, 2007 22:41:49 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be interested in Abby? Ryder + Abby for Horton + Auld? Aside from getting the best player in the deal, the Habs save some cap room too. Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 4, 2007 23:58:40 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be interested in Abby? Ryder + Abby for Horton + Auld? Aside from getting the best player in the deal, the Habs save some cap room too. Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. Maybe a fresh start with a new team and his new agent are just the ticket. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 5, 2007 1:55:03 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be interested in Abby? Ryder + Abby for Horton + Auld? Aside from getting the best player in the deal, the Habs save some cap room too. Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. Yeah, I don't get this spike in interest to move Ryder either. Is it only because he's a good commodity on a team lacking pretty well everything else? |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 5, 2007 7:08:42 GMT -5
Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. Maybe a fresh start with a new team and his new agent are just the ticket. Just the ticket for what? No one expected Ryder to lead the Habs in scoring. If you took a poll at the beginning of the season I'd say half the fans expected Ryder to either lead or finish second in goals and the rest would have split between Higgins and Kovalev. And when it comes to points they would have had at least 3 or 4 people ahead of him. He is fourth in points. One behind Kovalev. He is a 50-60 point man, when his center gets roughly the same. If anyone expected Ryder to get 70 points than they expected Koivu to lead this team with 80+. Ryder is right on pace for most peoples expectations (53-55 points), except he turn some of his goals into assists. As for Ryder's +/-. It isn't very good, granted. No one can argue -17 isn't terrible. But Higgins is -9 (prorated over as many games as Ryder has played it would be -14), and Koivu is -10. Seems like their is alot of blame to pass around for that "subjective" (I dont like the stat personally) stat. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 5, 2007 11:01:37 GMT -5
Too bad we couldn't consider a Horton/Ryder tandem in Montreal. I figure he'd bring a power game to Montreal and at present the only player we have doing that consistently is Latendresse.
I'd consider Perezhogin + 2nd before moving Mike Ryder. Earlier in the season he wasn't scoring all that consistently but he was still doing a lot of little things right. I honestly believe his confidence is shaken but he can come around. We might see that process if Gainey signs him to an extension before the end of the season. But, that's only speculation on my part.
Cheers.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 5, 2007 11:55:27 GMT -5
I wonder if they would be interested in Abby? Ryder + Abby for Horton + Auld? Aside from getting the best player in the deal, the Habs save some cap room too. Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. Skilly, I mentioned Ryder because a good NHL player player is going to be needed to fetch someone like Horton. If the Panthers trade Horton, they're probably going to want some scoring in return. That's why I suggested Ryder. To me, it sounds like a realistic proposal. I didn't suggest it because I want to run him out of town. I know that you're a fan of Ryder, and we all have our favourites on the Habs, but I don't think that there's a need for you to get your shorts in a bunch every time someone mentions Ryder's name in a rumour. Just out of curiosity... do you think that Ryder is untouchable? Because judging by your posts, I'm thinking that you do. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Feb 5, 2007 13:17:17 GMT -5
Skilly, I mentioned Ryder because a good NHL player player is going to be needed to fetch someone like Horton. If the Panthers trade Horton, they're probably going to want some scoring in return. I have to agree. A prospect and a pick wouldn't get the deal done. Horton's eval from SportsForecaster: ASSETS: Plays the game at a high-octane level. Can shoot the puck at will and skates very well for a big man. Could play center if the need arose. FLAWS: Must prove he can avoid injuries, while deploying his patented aggressive style. Needs to do a better job of keeping his emotions in check. CAREER POTENTIAL: Power forward. * Career stats: 180 games, 57-50-107, +9 (for a raggamuffin team), 197 PIM, 366 SOG, 15.5 goal scoring %, 0.59 PPG * 21-years old, 6'2" 201lbs, shoots R, 1.1MM. * Higgins-Koivu-Horton Latendresse-Plekanec-Kovalev |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 5, 2007 14:20:35 GMT -5
Why would they trade for such a no-talent, uni-dimensional, tunnel vision, lazy player like Ryder? Sure no one would want him the way we talk about him. Skilly, I mentioned Ryder because a good NHL player player is going to be needed to fetch someone like Horton. If the Panthers trade Horton, they're probably going to want some scoring in return. That's why I suggested Ryder. To me, it sounds like a realistic proposal. I didn't suggest it because I want to run him out of town. I know that you're a fan of Ryder, and we all have our favourites on the Habs, but I don't think that there's a need for you to get your shorts in a bunch every time someone mentions Ryder's name in a rumour. Just out of curiosity... do you think that Ryder is untouchable? Because judging by your posts, I'm thinking that you do. No I don't ... I have stated in the past that trading Ryder to get a missing part makes sense. But trading him because he isn't producing makes no sense (because he is). I pick up for any player that I feel people are labelling erroneously. (I hated Ribeiro but picked up for him). Btw, my favourite player is Saku .... Ryder is just a fellow Newfoundlander who I feel doesn't get a fair shake with many Montreal fans. That's all. And I don't mean to "get my pants in a bunch". Sorry if that is the way it is coming across. I just debate the posters reasoning. If they say "trade him because he only has 15 goals". I point out all the other players who are underachieving to a greater extent than Ryder. People point to his +/- ... and I point to Saku's and Higgins. The only reason IMO to trade Ryder is to get something we are missing, not because he is underachieving. EDIT: I actually feel that Ryder will be traded. Because contract negotiations are going to be a little tense this summer. If Ryder gets another 20 goal campaign and if he can muster around 55 points..... well that will be 3 years in a row and who knows how arbitration will go. I don't think gainey wants to get into a scenario where Ryder is awarded close to 4 million (JP Dumont money for instance) and walk away and get nothing in return. I kinda feel and I think Ryder kinda feels (call it a hunch from a reliable source) that arbitration is enivitable with the Habs this year. Gainey will argue his defensive shortcomings, Ryder will argue his consistency .... and JP Dumont was -14, -9, -1 in the three years prior to his award. I dunno ... maybe best to get rid of him now just to get something. |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 5, 2007 14:46:15 GMT -5
No I don't ... I have stated in the past that trading Ryder to get a missing part makes sense. But trading him because he isn't producing makes no sense (because he is). I pick up for any player that I feel people are labelling erroneously. (I hated Ribeiro but picked up for him). Btw, my favourite player is Saku .... Ryder is just a fellow Newfoundlander who I feel doesn't get a fair shake with many Montreal fans. That's all. I understand. I too wouldn't want to get rid of Ryder for no reason. I would only want him traded for a need or for an upgrade. IMO, Horton is an upgrade on Ryder, that's why I proposed the deal.  |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 5, 2007 19:57:22 GMT -5
No I don't ... I have stated in the past that trading Ryder to get a missing part makes sense. But trading him because he isn't producing makes no sense (because he is). I pick up for any player that I feel people are labelling erroneously. (I hated Ribeiro but picked up for him). Btw, my favourite player is Saku .... Ryder is just a fellow Newfoundlander who I feel doesn't get a fair shake with many Montreal fans. That's all. I understand. I too wouldn't want to get rid of Ryder for no reason. I would only want him traded for a need or for an upgrade. IMO, Horton is an upgrade on Ryder, that's why I proposed the deal. If Gainey can swing it ... it would be great to have Horton here without losing Ryder. Can you imagine a line of Latendresse-Horton-Ryder? |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Feb 5, 2007 21:15:44 GMT -5
If Gainey can swing it ... it would be great to have Horton here without losing Ryder. Can you imagine a line of Latendresse-Horton-Ryder? I think that line would be the opposite of Samsonov-Plekanec-Kovalev, where there would be too many shooters, not enough playmakers. Good idea on paper, but I don't think that it would work on the ice. |
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Post by princelh on Feb 7, 2007 0:10:38 GMT -5
I'm sure that a good, high round prospect and a first rounder would be the price. I would love to see him in Toronto, but we would have to part with two of Steen, White, Stajan or Coliaccavo, plus posssibly a draft pick for Horton. He could be another Cam Neely, Rick Vaive type of player.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 7, 2007 9:42:01 GMT -5
I would target Stephen Weiss. He's young, fast, a natural centre. I haven't seen him a ton but he always stands out to me. He's smallish like Koivu but I don't think that's a huge problem given the speed game and we have some bigger forwards coming along in Latendresse, Lapierre, and Chipchura. Florida is pretty loaded with young forwards so I don't know what package would entice them but given that he hasn't really taken off perhaps Weiss could be had for a reasonable price.
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Post by princelh on Feb 7, 2007 10:43:59 GMT -5
Good luck getting Weiss. He's happy there, now that Keenans gone. Horton may have the better upside, if he gets to the right situation.
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