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Post by HFTO on Nov 30, 2002 0:21:32 GMT -5
Everytime I see Big Joe score a goal like he did against the Habs how I long for the Habs to once again have a dominant star of their own. He is amazing to watch those damn Bruins are lucky. HFTO
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 30, 2002 0:49:16 GMT -5
Actually, there is a a section on this by Frued, he called it, Thorny Envy. That can lead to premature expectations followed by strange desires for tall, strong man with big hockey sticks. *sick* I would of traded Theo for Thorny andy time of day.
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Nov 30, 2002 1:42:23 GMT -5
I would of traded Theo for Thorny andy time of day. I would too.... guys like Thornton, wow... I'd give my left testy for that guy.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 30, 2002 5:40:23 GMT -5
The Bruins definitely picked the right year to hit rock bottom, and draft him. It's too bad that the Habs, that have been re-building on the go, never did the same and score a superstar draft pick.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 30, 2002 9:47:04 GMT -5
They tanked it in 1997 to get him. In 1996-97 they were bad and they traded Oates/Tocchett/Ranford in March to get Allison/Carter/Carey...leaving them with a team with full of nothing and they obviously finished last and got the NHL's best player now and he is only 23! He has everything. Size, toughness, great hands, great moves, great hockey sense, speed, leadership AND hard work. and to think the Habs were so close to getting a Big Joe like talent in 2001...but no, they had to win a few meaningless games in the last month and we are *stuck* with Komi instead of Spezza or Chistov or Kovalchuk Or how about in 1999-2000...horrible team for the first half and then by some miracle they make a run at the playoffs that falls short...you know who we could have right now if we sucked all year long? Gaborik or Heatley. The bottom line is, when you suck, better suck in a great draft year(like this year) or in 1997 or in 2000 or in 2001.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 30, 2002 9:52:38 GMT -5
They tanked it in 1997 to get him. In 1996-97 they were bad and they traded Oates/Tocchett/Ranford in March to get Allison/Carter/Carey...leaving them with a team with full of nothing and they obviously finished last and got the NHL's best player now and he is only 23! He has everything. Size, toughness, great hands, great moves, great hockey sense, speed, leadership AND hard work. They also got Samsonov that year as well. Joe Thornton, Jason Allison, Sergei Samsonov, and Anson Carter, all in one year...
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 30, 2002 9:55:06 GMT -5
Yeah thanks to the Glen Wesley trade which landed McLaren, a bust in 1996 and Samsonov
It's a good thing Jeremy Jacobs is such a cheapo...add Allison/Carter instead of Stumpel/Murray on that team right now...woof that would be scary...
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 30, 2002 10:07:17 GMT -5
Yeah thanks to the Glen Wesley trade which landed McLaren, a bust in 1996 and Samsonov It's a good thing Jeremy Jacobs is such a cheapo...add Allison/Carter instead of Stumpel/Murray on that team right now...woof that would be scary... How about adding Guerin and McLaren as well? And maybe a real goalie? They have a strange way of doing things down there, but the results seem to speak for themselves. We, as fans, like to call them "cheapos" but they do their part to keep salaries down (the Lapointe fiasco being the sole exception, and Andre Savard has to take a large measure of responsibility for that), and they have been icing an extremely competitive team of late. Like New Jersey, they won't let players push them around, and you either buy into the team concept, or you're gone. Seems to me they might be the model other teams should be following...
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 30, 2002 10:09:21 GMT -5
How about adding Guerin and McLaren as well? And maybe a real goalie? BC...who did they trade CARTER for?
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Post by ThorntonMVP on Nov 30, 2002 23:07:05 GMT -5
>How about adding Guerin and McLaren as well? And maybe a real goalie?
The Bruins are in good shape to be patient and get something great in a trade for McLaren. McLaren is prone to injury and obviously he is not missed in Boston so far this year.
As far as the "real goalie" comment .......that's cute.
Perhaps they should trade Shields...afterall, he has lost twice. Graham hasn't looked quite as pathetic though, in only losing once, but perhaps the Bruins should look into finding a "real goalie"?!?!??
Great to see Sammy back in the lineup for the B's tonight and setup Joe T with an ESPN SportsCenter highlight!!!!
16-3-3-1 for 36 points....and I'll be honest here, before the season started I predicted that the Bruins would miss the playoffs....
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 30, 2002 23:08:48 GMT -5
and?
we all know how great the Bruins are this year...SO FAR
why are you here? you do know it's HabsRus? are you here just to talk about the Bruins?
welcome aboard
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 30, 2002 23:25:46 GMT -5
>How about adding Guerin and McLaren as well? And maybe a real goalie? The Bruins are in good shape to be patient and get something great in a trade for McLaren. McLaren is prone to injury and obviously he is not missed in Boston so far this year. As far as the "real goalie" comment .......that's cute. Perhaps they should trade Shields...afterall, he has lost twice. Graham hasn't looked quite as pathetic though, in only losing once, but perhaps the Bruins should look into finding a "real goalie"?!?!?? Great to see Sammy back in the lineup for the B's tonight and setup Joe T with an ESPN SportsCenter highlight!!!! 16-3-3-1 for 36 points....and I'll be honest here, before the season started I predicted that the Bruins would miss the playoffs.... ThorntonMVP, We have a Leaf fan and a Ranger Fan as well as a Bruin fan that has not posted for a while. Who they or you are a fan off is not relevent. What is relevent is that you are here to talk hockey in general and about the Hab's in particular and do it in a respectful manner. This board is heavily moderated and we are lightning quick in handling and disposing of problems. I am sorry for the sharp welcome but I want to make sure that you are clear as to where you are and how we deal with things here. So, if you are here to talk about hockey and the Hab's, by all means, join us. Take a few minutes to read our Code of Conduct. HabsAddict (Moderator)
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Post by Yossarian on Dec 1, 2002 1:49:47 GMT -5
Thorton really is terrific player. Kinda makes me wish the Olympics would happen all over again right now, with him and Iginila on the same line, maybe. How did they keep him off that team, only 9 months ago??
It really does make me envious knowing we haven't had a player with that type of impact since the dynasty (other than a goalie).
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 1, 2002 9:41:01 GMT -5
Because he was too young and I think got hurt right before the tourny started. Rest assured, he will be on the 2004 world cup team and the 2006 Olympic team if the NHLers go ;D Imagine........ Kariya-Thornton-Bertuzzi Gagne-Lecavalier-Iginla Smyth-Allison-Heatley Peca-Sakic-O'Neil Oh ma ma...........the defence........... Pronger-Jovanovski Redden-Morris Brewer-Stuart any other stud Canadian D With Theodore, Luongo, Brodeur, Turco and company in goal
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Dec 1, 2002 13:00:23 GMT -5
Lindros, Nolan, Marleau could all make that team in 2004 and 2006 too. oh yeah!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 1, 2002 13:17:47 GMT -5
and Daze, Comrie, Boynton, Bouwmeester, Richards, Williams, Morrow if they keep on improving their game
You could make 3 or 4 Team Canada's that could compete with anyone
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 1, 2002 13:49:50 GMT -5
As far as the "real goalie" comment .......that's cute. Perhaps they should trade Shields...afterall, he has lost twice. Graham hasn't looked quite as pathetic though, in only losing once, but perhaps the Bruins should look into finding a "real goalie"?!?!?? Hey, the Bruins are off to a great start, can't argue with the results, and I don't see them slowing down anytime soon, but I still wouldn't be happy with the goaltending if I were them. The Bruins this year, are an elite team, but do they have elite goaltending? They are getting good goaltending, but I think that like Chris Osgood, when he was with Detroit, Sheilds and Graham benefit from some great coaching, and a team system that really helps them out, that makes them look a lot better than they are. Put Shields in Montreal's net, with Montreal's "system" and I think he would get slaughtered. Really, really badly. Would you disagree with that statement? If the Bruins had an elite, name goalie, I think they would be in the Colorado-Detroit-Dallas category of contenders. The top, in other words. Without such a goalie though, I would put them into the second level of contenders, with St. Louis, Philadelphia, and maybe New Jersey. Unfortunately, for the Bruins, there aren't too many elite goalies available at the moment. Sean Burke would be a great pickup, but I doubt the Coyotes are all that eager to deal him, and I don't see anybody else that could be dealt...
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Post by Andrew on Dec 1, 2002 16:52:09 GMT -5
You make a good point BC: you need elite goaltending to win cups. The last questionable goaltender to win a cup was Osgood, though it was with a dominant '98 Red Wings team. The Bruins need look no further than Philly or St. Louis, of recent years, too see what happens to strong teams without elite goaltending: they get beat by the strong teams that do have it.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 1, 2002 17:02:29 GMT -5
I don't even think the Bruins are as talented as the Blues or the Flyers.
Especially on defence. You won't win a cup with Sweeney, Gill and O'Donnell as key cogs on your blueline.
I will say it again, the Bruins will come back down to earth eventually. They will make the playoffs but no way will they keep on at this astounding pace.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2002 18:14:10 GMT -5
>How about adding Guerin and McLaren as well? And maybe a real goalie? The Bruins are in good shape to be patient and get something great in a trade for McLaren. McLaren is prone to injury and obviously he is not missed in Boston so far this year. As far as the "real goalie" comment .......that's cute. Perhaps they should trade Shields...afterall, he has lost twice. Graham hasn't looked quite as pathetic though, in only losing once, but perhaps the Bruins should look into finding a "real goalie"?!?!?? Great to see Sammy back in the lineup for the B's tonight and setup Joe T with an ESPN SportsCenter highlight!!!! 16-3-3-1 for 36 points....and I'll be honest here, before the season started I predicted that the Bruins would miss the playoffs.... Don Cherry is obviously biased towards the Leafs and Bruins, but he said no one can touch Joe Thorton this year. Heck, can you imagine ... this guy didn't even make our Olympic team; go figure the odds. I never thought they'd miss the playoffs to tell you the truth, buds, but I also never thought they'd do as well as they are now. In fact, I though Guerin bolting the way he did would adversely affect them, but it hasn't. In fact, I was looking forward to a few Boston/Montreal wars this year, but the Hab's team chemistry is shot thus far. They just aren't working together at all some nights and the guys who end up paying for it are Theodore and Hackett. Have to wait a little longer for those I guess. Cheers.
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Post by habwest on Dec 2, 2002 3:31:01 GMT -5
Well, Bad Co, nobody forced the Bruins to sign Lapointe so you can't hang that on Savard. Every team makes it's own decisions and has to live with them.
That being said, you make a good point about the Bruins astuteness in the draft and watching their wallet although it will be interesting to see what happens when Joe and companay reach the UFA stage, or even become hot shot RFAs. Could be interesting.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 2, 2002 8:27:46 GMT -5
Speaking of which Joe and Samsonov are RFA's this summer.
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