|
Post by MPLABBE on Nov 19, 2002 20:25:57 GMT -5
Agent just confirmed it on the NHL network.
So...now that he is gone, Hack is the best goalie on the market...should be interesting to see who wants him
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Nov 19, 2002 20:44:45 GMT -5
Excellent news! I still pity Atlanta because they'll soon find out Dafoe is not first tier material and maybe not even 2nd tier, but it's not costing anything but money. And yes, Marc, that does leave Jeff as the very best guy 'available' (he always was). Both NY teams have the money and the need to go after a very good goalie. Our problem is going to be making sure that whoever we deal him for is a good enough addition to improve the team as much as Hackett is going to improve theirs. I'd go with the Rangers. The Islanders will get much better with good goaltending. The Rangers just a little better. Think we can pry Fedor Tutin from Sather? He won't help us right away, but my, would our 2004 defense start to look good. (How can you tell I've been checking out the Islanders and Rangers for potential returns.)
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Nov 19, 2002 20:47:11 GMT -5
Tutin is a stud. Go get him AS.
Like you said. The Rangers have so many problems Hackett won't help them as much as he can help the Isles who really need a good goalie to win(Osgood has been better recently and they have been better(
|
|
|
Post by GoMtl on Nov 19, 2002 20:47:33 GMT -5
well these next two games could be hack's last as a Canadien if the Richter really is going to retire... hope he does well, and Savard lands an awesome deal.
|
|
|
Post by habmeister on Nov 19, 2002 21:25:50 GMT -5
Just saw on TSN that theo is out with a hip pointer, so hold off on pulling that trigger, unless we want garon in the nets.
What if theodore tears his groin, do we have a capable backup? I don't think so. I still think we should ask for a decent goalie back from the rangers...oops they don't have one.
Maybe we can make a three way deal and get back a decent backup and a top 6 defenceman. Other than that i'm not expecting to rob anyone with the overpaid hackett.
|
|
|
Post by Viper on Nov 19, 2002 21:39:21 GMT -5
Just saw on TSN that theo is out with a hip pointer, so hold off on pulling that trigger, unless we want garon in the nets. What if theodore tears his groin, do we have a capable backup? I don't think so. I still think we should ask for a decent goalie back from the rangers...oops they don't have one. Maybe we can make a three way deal and get back a decent backup and a top 6 defenceman. Other than that i'm not expecting to rob anyone with the overpaid hackett. It's time to bring in Garon I know he's not hackett but to be honest i really believe he's due to get in here and if something doesn't give soon it won't matter because next year both hackett and Garon may be lost as free agent's. Garon has a minimum game requirement and if he doesn't meet it he can walk. Mathieux and Jose can hold the fort just fine i believe and if it isn't Garon Fichaud may do in a pinch no worries from the goaltending front IMO besides the overabundance of them we have no concern's.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Nov 19, 2002 22:00:08 GMT -5
If Theodore goes down once Hack is traded...well it will be up to Garon to show us why we developed him for 6 years.
|
|
|
Post by Ryan on Nov 19, 2002 22:55:00 GMT -5
What the heck are we playing it safe for?
So what if Theo and Hack both play like stars, we can't play them at the same time, and quite frankly we're not winning a Cup even with both of them playing lights out.
Once Theo is back you wait and get the best deal possible for Hack, but please don't hold off just because Theo may possibly get injured. We don't have the luxury of sitting around with two number 1 goalies, only elite teams like Detroit can do that.
Our roster has far too many holes in it to sit on a valuable asset like Hack.
|
|
|
Post by legaspesien on Nov 19, 2002 23:07:51 GMT -5
What the heck are we playing it safe for?........ Getting to more possible points up to Feb
So what if Theo and Hack both play like stars, we can't play them at the same time, and quite frankly we're not winning a Cup even with both of them playing lights out.... We are in business and going up in the standings Once Theo is back you wait and get the best deal possible for Hack, but please don't hold off just because Theo may possibly get injured. We don't have the luxury of sitting around with two number 1 goalies, only elite teams like Detroit can do that..... It will be to a western teamOur roster has far too many holes in it to sit on a valuable asset like Hack..... It is more urgent to clear the mess up front than in the net for now
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Nov 20, 2002 1:06:02 GMT -5
Tutin is a stud. Go get him AS. Like you said. The Rangers have so many problems Hackett won't help them as much as he can help the Isles who really need a good goalie to win(Osgood has been better recently and they have been better( Well I really don't think Slather is that stupid, but if he is more power to him. I would jump for joy if we could get Tutin. He can't play this year, but next year he could come back over to good old North America. IF we were to trade Hack and IF it was to the rangers, I would think it would be a package of Kilger and Hackett, and I heard that the rangers were interested in Chow (maybe Slather is that stupid) if so, I will offer to drive Chow to the rangers if needed, anything to get him off the team, please he makes my throat soar from yelling at the tv when he's on the ice. Anyway from the rangers, I would expect Kloukeck and maybe a guy like Barnaby (I hope not). I wouldn't mind getting Kloukeck (I bet Bulis would be happy he wouldn't have to play against him again) but Barnaby isn't that good. Other than that, I don't know who the rangers would part with. Nedved, but I'd pass on the overpaid softie unless they pick up some of the tab, and even then, I don't know if that's a good ideal. We need to make room for Souray soon. (of course we could just leave Dykhuis at the airport on our next long road trip. ;D )
|
|
|
Post by GoMtl on Nov 20, 2002 1:25:53 GMT -5
When it comes to dealing Hackett, the Rangers might pose less of a threat seeing as though they haven't made the playoffs in a while, but what do they have that montreal really wants anyways (that isnt untouchable)? kloucek, that's about it. the isles on the other hand have isbister.
|
|
|
Post by Rhiessan on Nov 20, 2002 2:17:25 GMT -5
Hey lets think about it this way, if the Habs can survive "redlight" Rasicot backing up Roy(winning a cup too). I don't think there's going to be any problem with Garon. If AS gets an Isbister like deal with Hack's and no prospects going with him he should jump on it like a fat kid on a candybar.
|
|
|
Post by Habsfunk on Nov 20, 2002 2:27:26 GMT -5
The problem with a trade with the Rangers is that they don't have anything we can realistically get. Most of their forwards are either too expensive and/or useless and they don't have the hard hitting defenseman we need. Its a shame because they're the one team in the league that really needs a goalie right now, and we're the team that can supply it. I imagine we'll get a mid-range prospect and a draft pick, unless Sather goes nuts and gives up Kloucek or Tutin.
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 2:58:40 GMT -5
I would not mind that Kloucek kid. He is not much of a hitter but I am sure that Breezy and Diksy Cup can show him how.
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Nov 20, 2002 6:50:49 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I don't think this really affects Hackett's market value all that much. I still think we will be lucky to get a mid-round pick for him. Tutin? Kloucek? Isbister??
Can't see that happening.
Even if Hackett is off the market, there are still a lot of goalies available whose initials aren't J.H. Arters Irbe, for example. Or Mike Dunham from Nashville. Tom Barrasso or Fred Brathwaite or Brent Johnson from St. Louis. Mika Noronen, Steve Passmore, Ron Rugnutt. Bob Essesna.
Sure, these guys are a step down from Hackett, but if we demand the moon, Sather might decide he would be weakening his team anyways. Blackburn has a world of potential over there, and they are very high on him, and he has played very well of late. if we get too pushy, they might just walk away.
Hackett is still old, he still has an injury-prone reputation, he is still a UFA, and he still has no playoff experience. If we were to trade him, I would be surprised with anything higher than a 4th or 5th round draft pick. Hope I'm wrong though...
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Nov 20, 2002 8:26:14 GMT -5
Well I really don't think Slather is that stupid, but if he is more power to him. I would jump for joy if we could get Tutin. He can't play this year, but next year he could come back over to good old North America. what happened? where is Tutin? wasn't he in the OHL last year?
|
|
|
Post by Maritimer on Nov 20, 2002 8:28:12 GMT -5
Actually Ron Rugnutt would look pretty good in NYR. Veteran goalie who knows his place to help develop Blackburn and share games. Same goes for Back Up Bob
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Nov 20, 2002 8:28:31 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I don't think this really affects Hackett's market value all that much. I still think we will be lucky to get a mid-round pick for him. Tutin? Kloucek? Isbister??Can't see that happening. Even if Hackett is off the market, there are still a lot of goalies available whose initials aren't J.H. Arters Irbe, for example. Or Mike Dunham from Nashville. Tom Barrasso or Fred Brathwaite or Brent Johnson from St. Louis. Mika Noronen, Steve Passmore, Ron Rugnutt. Bob Essesna. Bob Essensa? the guy retirered didn't he? I doubt Carolina will deal Irbe knowing how Weekes collapsed against us in the playoffs and Irbe save their butts Ditto for Tugnutt. Stars won't deal him now Noronen? have the Sabres decided he is the one to go?
|
|