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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 15:16:23 GMT -5
and team 4th oldest in the league just gets even older. Whoopee Garon and Ribeiro for conditionning. Hainsey just flat out sent down. We now have only 6 D..2 of them nursing injuries(Breezy and Rivet), 3 of them that would have trouble cracking most NHL teams(Dykhuis, Quintal and Traverse). Yikes.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 15:20:23 GMT -5
source the score's ticker by the way...
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Post by Ryan on Nov 8, 2002 15:46:44 GMT -5
How are we only carrying 6 D-men?
Boullion on the way up?
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 8, 2002 15:47:42 GMT -5
Me thinks it might be a while (barring a rash of injuries) before we see Mr. Hainsey again.
Looks like we are going to tough it out with 6 defencemen for the next month or so, until Souray gets back, and if we need one in the meantime, I would bet on Franky Bouillon getting the call up before Hainsey...
Can't says I agree with the decision. Hainsey was never put in a position to succeed, and with the crowded roster in Hamilton, this might push a guy like Komisarek off the powerplay, or something. Could have repercussions on a couple of guys...
Oh well. Maybe Savard is about to deal for and/or sign a defenceman from somewhere? Dean Waddell is in a lot of trouble down in Atlanta, maybe Yannik Tremblay, or something?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 15:49:58 GMT -5
How are we only carrying 6 D-men? Boullion on the way up? Nope here's how thing have unfolded: Quintal goes to IR last week Blouin replaces him on the roster Quintal comes back Hainsey goes down Now to make room for Ribeiro, expect Lindsay to be waived. and I agree 100% with BC. They never put Hainsey in a spot to suceed. It looks like Hainsey's gonna have to player like Markov did before being considered as a regular...*sigh*........
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Post by Ryan on Nov 8, 2002 15:56:44 GMT -5
I agree, Hainsey should have been given more of a chance, but at least he'll see minutes down there since he wasn't up here.
Frankly it's better for him to be under Hamilton's coaches instead of bloody MT and Green if we're to believe they're on the way out.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 15:58:06 GMT -5
Good thing to send Hainsey down.if hes not put in the right spot to succed on the team then why not give him lots of playing time in the minors,he will be able to discover and use his offensive abilities again ,he wasnt exactly doing the things that he did in the preseason which gave him the rave reviews and the talk of him being one of the rookie of the year candiddates,as to whos fault it is that Hainsey didnt play as well as expected,its Coaching and the makeup of the team itself and Hainsey himself,pair him with Komi and let him go ,he will get his confidence back and will learn to play with Komi which wont hurt, both of these guys will be up with the big team in the not so distant future.
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Post by Gord on Nov 8, 2002 16:15:05 GMT -5
We're missing a salient point here, actually. Garon was not sent for conditioning, he cleared waivers. No one claimed him. That's very surprising, both that he was submitted to waivers, and that he went unclaimed. Anyway, that opens up the roster spot for Ribeiro, who was the only one sent for conditioning. www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=11773
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 16:18:56 GMT -5
Gord you beat me to it!! This is just unreal so much for JV's ''AS is to smart to let a guy like Garon go on waivers'' theory over at HF.
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Post by Bob_in_Niagara on Nov 8, 2002 18:00:49 GMT -5
I think Andre Savard knew no one would claim Garon; he may have even had to make one of those "future considerations" deals to make sure. It is much better for everyone concerned, to have him in Hamilton. He gets to play more, for one thing and it is much less of a distraction on the Big Team. Plus, they don't have to pay him his NHL salary, if I am not mistaken.
As for Hainsey, I think this is great news, considering he was being wasted in Montreal anyway. Give him loads of ice time and power play work in Hamilton. He will be coming back very soon.
Now when we go to a Hamilton game, it is much more worthwhile, as we get to see more Habs prospects playing. Great for us!
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 8, 2002 18:07:42 GMT -5
Edmonton has a super goalie in Hamilton already, so Garon may not end up playing that much. Maybe it was (as BC says) a calculated risk and that Savard was prepared but not expecting to lose Garon. So, it worked. Garon will get certainly get more work there than here, we free up a roster spot that we need badly, and the pressure to move Hackett (which is proving difficult to do) is reduced somewhat.
I was wrong about Savard being too smart to expose Garon...He's even smarter than I imagined. He's smart enough to have gotten away with it....
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 18:39:55 GMT -5
I was wrong about Savard being too smart to expose Garon...He's even smarter than I imagined. He's smart enough to have gotten away with it.... ^ usually you call that lucky... btw there is nothing super about Ty Conklin...Garon should take over the number 1 role down there as soon as he gets back in game shape..
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Post by montreal on Nov 8, 2002 19:09:07 GMT -5
^ usually you call that lucky... btw there is nothing super about Ty Conklin...Garon should take over the number 1 role down there as soon as he gets back in game shape.. Last week the bulldog annoucers said the Conklin was 2nd in the AHL in gaa. He's the #1 for sure. Garon is good, but Conklin is better. What about Fichaud? Maybe they can loan him to another AHL team? Buy him out maybe? Its only a 1 year contract.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 8, 2002 19:27:10 GMT -5
Using this logic we should send Theodore and Koivu to Hamilton. It would give them both more minutes of ice time and make them better players.
Who makes these decisions, MT or AS? And who is their psychiatrist?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 19:30:27 GMT -5
Last week the bulldog annoucers said the Conklin was 2nd in the AHL in gaa. He's the #1 for sure. Garon is good, but Conklin is better. What about Fichaud? Maybe they can loan him to another AHL team? Buy him out maybe? Its only a 1 year contract. But no one seems to think Conklin is a terrific prospect. He looks like he may have a career as a NHL backup, but not as a starter.
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Post by montreal on Nov 8, 2002 19:52:50 GMT -5
But no one seems to think Conklin is a terrific prospect. He looks like he may have a career as a NHL backup, but not as a starter. Sounds a bit like Garon.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 8, 2002 20:20:14 GMT -5
I am certain that Savard had faxed everyone if they would be interested and if he put him on waivers would they claim him? With Hack on his way out and Tarasov not tearing up the league, it would of been shear folly to try this without any certainty of success. The guys is not even worth a 4th liner from someone. Scary. On the other hand how do we know how he will perform if no one ever gives him a chance? Who’s taking bets that Garon is signing elsewhere next year? News Flash: Lindsay, Hack, Garon, Audette, Chewy and Gratton for a 5th rounder. News at 11.00.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 20:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by montreal on Nov 8, 2002 21:00:19 GMT -5
I am certain that Savard had faxed everyone if they would be interested and if he put him on waivers would they claim him? With Hack on his way out and Tarasov not tearing up the league, it would of been shear folly to try this without any certainty of success. The guys is not even worth a 4th liner from someone. Scary. On the other hand how do we know how he will perform if no one ever gives him a chance? Who’s taking bets that Garon is signing elsewhere next year? News Flash: Lindsay, Hack, Garon, Audette, Chewy and Gratton for a 5th rounder. News at 11.00. Well it is scary to think that Garon has little value. As for Tarasov, theres a little bit of info at russianprospects.com. It just says that Tarasov has regained his confidence and he picked up the win. Right now he's playing for the Russian Senior National Team but they lost 5-0 to Finland. (don't know if Tarasov played or not)
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Post by Vichab on Nov 8, 2002 23:20:04 GMT -5
given there are a few teams who are really struggling in the net it is very scary that they wouldn't want to take a flyer on Garon. he would come at a great price and might be able to step in now but even if not the team would have picked up a good prospect. Obviously we think more of him than NHL gms. If he never gets a chance to play we'll never know how smart we are and how dumb the gms are.
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Post by montreal on Nov 9, 2002 2:30:27 GMT -5
given there are a few teams who are really struggling in the net it is very scary that they wouldn't want to take a flyer on Garon. he would come at a great price and might be able to step in now but even if not the team would have picked up a good prospect. Obviously we think more of him than NHL gms. If he never gets a chance to play we'll never know how smart we are and how dumb the gms are. The only thing I can think of as to why he wasn't picked up, was, his salary 900K, he has little NHL experience, and the experience he has wasn't very good to him, his numbers were bad last year, and even worse in the playoffs, and the biggest reason is that if he doesn't get in 12 NHL games, then he goes UFA. Another theory is that Savard checked around the league to see if GM's would take him, and maybe the ones that were interested, he made some type of deal with them so they wouldn't take him. I have no ideal on this one. Sounds far fetched.
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Post by Maritimer on Nov 9, 2002 7:11:47 GMT -5
As for Conklin I've seen him play this year and last year and he is a fine goaltender.
As for who is the #1 I would be surprised if an AHL team witha partnership agreement really had one when their are two strong prospects there. Do you think Savard sent Garon down to rot on the bench? Or Kevin Lowe would like to see Conklin rot on the bench either?
If they don't share 50/50 something is wrong with this picture
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 9, 2002 10:06:31 GMT -5
Just like the big team...eh? There is way too much depth in this organization. Not necessarely good depth.
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