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Post by Yeti on Feb 27, 2007 15:34:21 GMT -5
Just heard on RDS... (they heard it from TSN)...
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2007 15:37:10 GMT -5
He has been dealt to the Islanders!
It's official.
A first round pick....Robert Nilsson and Ryan O'Meara.
Stupefying. What a mix of emotions for tonight's Mark Messier Night.
Islanders have just become playoff bound.
Habs/Leafs....watch out.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 27, 2007 15:39:01 GMT -5
Wow, I would have never bet on that one.....
Unbelievable...........
And you think we feel bad today...Imagine Oilers fans.....
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Post by Marvin on Feb 27, 2007 15:44:00 GMT -5
Kevin Lowe got some great return for Smyth, and I'd bet anything that Smyth re-signs with Edmonton in the off-season.
Marv
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2007 15:44:09 GMT -5
He has been dealt to the Islanders! It's official. A first round pick....Robert Nilsson and Ryan O'Meara. Stupefying. Islanders have just become playoff bound. Habs/Leafs....watch out. Holy crap!! You are absolutely right. The guy is a warrior, sorry for the cliche but it's true. The Habs do nothing & the Leafs pick up Perreault for the 3rd time. The Isles keep Blake & get Smyth. If I was an Oilers fan I would be beside myself with anger. |
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Post by Yeti on Feb 27, 2007 15:44:16 GMT -5
Gainey outsmarted by Garth Snow  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 27, 2007 15:44:34 GMT -5
...ouch... Now that one hurts a little...  |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2007 15:46:53 GMT -5
Wonder if Gainey was even in on what was going on in Edmonton.
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Post by jkr on Feb 27, 2007 15:47:12 GMT -5
Gainey outsmarted by Garth Snow BG wasn't the only one. There are a lot of playoff bound teams that would love to have this guy. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 27, 2007 15:49:03 GMT -5
Robert Nilsson was the Isles first pick in the draft in 2005 (?), O'Marra was the 1st pick in 2006 (?), and the Isles gave up their 2007 pick FOR A RENTAL. As much as I love Ryan Smyth, would you be willing to trade Carey Price, and whoever else for him?  No thanks. I bet at Smyth re-signs with Edm. Marv |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 27, 2007 16:07:13 GMT -5
As Marv is saying, I have a feeling that Smyth did this for the good of the Oilers....helping Lowe pick up 2 first rounders that are currently playing, plus an upcoming first round pick...then re-signing with the Oilers in the post-season.
Snow may have gotten Snowed or Lowed in the long run.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 27, 2007 16:29:08 GMT -5
Wonder if Gainey was even in on what was going on in Edmonton. Yes, he was (don't have a link, apologies). But, it would have been expensive. I still have to look up who the other players are that are going in the opposite direction. Cheers. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 27, 2007 16:41:04 GMT -5
...ouch... Now that one hurts a little... That's the trade I wanted. Perezhogin and a 1st for Smyth but the cost was much higher. Edmonton went the prospect route but it would have been the equivalent of trading David Fischer, Andrei Kostitsyn and a 1st round pick for Smyth with probably little chance of signing him long term. Too much, IMO. He may even end up back in Edmonton when it's all said and done. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 27, 2007 16:53:02 GMT -5
It would have been the equivalent of the Habs dealing Price, Fischer and this year's 1st pick for a RENTAL. As I said before, Lowe loaded up and made a great trade for tomorrow, fully knowing that he'd face the wrath of the fans for kissing this year goodbye. The fans will have peace of mind when Smyth re-signs.
Marv
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Post by duster on Feb 27, 2007 17:18:35 GMT -5
If only BG had as much cojones as Lowe...
Meanwhile, we got Leighton. Yay!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 27, 2007 17:19:58 GMT -5
It would have been the equivalent of the Habs dealing Price, Fischer and this year's 1st pick for a RENTAL. As I said before, Lowe loaded up and made a great trade for tomorrow, fully knowing that he'd face the wrath of the fans for kissing this year goodbye. The fans will have peace of mind when Smyth re-signs. Marv Quite the message, Marv. Telling your fans that it's over for this season. And then holding a Mark Messier night tonight as well. How many nights is this guy going to have anyway? cheers. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 27, 2007 17:48:44 GMT -5
The Oil have too many teams ahead of them to leapfrog over. Not saying it can't be done, but Lowe had an asset (Smyth) that he used to his benefit. I think he fully believes that he can re-sign Smyth. There's no way that Gainey could have done the same with Souray because Souray doesn't have the ties to Mtl that Smyth has to Edmonton and to to the province of AB.
Marv
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Post by franko on Feb 27, 2007 19:20:26 GMT -5
How many nights is this guy going to have anyway? cheers. One mre: Vancouver. Maybe. I guess 3 is as many NHL arenas as his jersey will be honoured. Another record that won't be touched for Gretzky. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 27, 2007 20:12:10 GMT -5
Kevin Lowe got some great return for Smyth, and I'd bet anything that Smyth re-signs with Edmonton in the off-season. Marv The rumour is he is ticked at Edmonton management leaving him until last to sign and expecting him to take the "home-town discount" again. TSN says he has requested a minimum of 5 million to start talking from Edmonton and they obviously refused. I don't expect him back in Edmonton. But Gainey better take note .... this is how he treats some players as well. EDIT: Why was so much time spent trying to sign him today, if they are going to sign him in the off-season? Smyth gave Edmonton a deadline of today to sign him, and if you saw the Smyth interview last night on TV, he didn't sound like someone that was happy to be an Oiler. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 27, 2007 20:49:45 GMT -5
Kevin Lowe got some great return for Smyth, and I'd bet anything that Smyth re-signs with Edmonton in the off-season. Marv The rumour is he is ticked at Edmonton management leaving him until last to sign and expecting him to take the "home-town discount" again. TSN says he has requested a minimum of 5 million to start talking from Edmonton and they obviously refused. I don't expect him back in Edmonton. But Gainey better take note .... this is how he treats some players as well. EDIT: Why was so much time spent trying to sign him today, if they are going to sign him in the off-season? Smyth gave Edmonton a deadline of today to sign him, and if you saw the Smyth interview last night on TV, he didn't sound like someone that was happy to be an Oiler. Well, EDM essentially got 3 first rounders for a UFA-to-be, so this could easily turn into a major win for EDM, even if just one of the 3 turns into a pretty good player. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 27, 2007 21:56:27 GMT -5
The rumour is he is ticked at Edmonton management leaving him until last to sign and expecting him to take the "home-town discount" again. TSN says he has requested a minimum of 5 million to start talking from Edmonton and they obviously refused. I don't expect him back in Edmonton. But Gainey better take note .... this is how he treats some players as well. EDIT: Why was so much time spent trying to sign him today, if they are going to sign him in the off-season? Smyth gave Edmonton a deadline of today to sign him, and if you saw the Smyth interview last night on TV, he didn't sound like someone that was happy to be an Oiler. Well, EDM essentially got 3 first rounders for a UFA-to-be, so this could easily turn into a major win for EDM, even if just one of the 3 turns into a pretty good player. OK ... but being an UFA means that the team who owns his rights is the only team that can negotiate with him up to July 1. If Montreal offers Smyth 5.5-6 million, he might not even go to UFA. Would you be mad if Montreal offered Kostitsyn, Fischer and one of this years first rounders and a pick in 2008? I know I wouldn't. |
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Post by Roggy on Feb 27, 2007 23:11:15 GMT -5
OK ... but being an UFA means that the team who owns his rights is the only team that can negotiate with him up to July 1. If Montreal offers Smyth 5.5-6 million, he might not even go to UFA. Would you be mad if Montreal offered Kostitsyn, Fischer and one of this years first rounders and a pick in 2008? I know I wouldn't. You'd be choked if he didn't re-sign though. |
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Post by MC Habber on Feb 27, 2007 23:31:05 GMT -5
FWIW, Pierre Mcguire doesn't think much of the players Edmonton got in return.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 28, 2007 7:14:51 GMT -5
FWIW, Pierre Mcguire doesn't think much of the players Edmonton got in return. And that's the kicker .... did Bob put feelers out to Edmonton about Smyth? Everybody knew Lowe was busy trying to re-sign Smyth, Bob had to at least inquire about him, you'd think. According to TSN, Edmonton had the deal from the Isles all settled away going into the Smyth negotiations. If our prospects are so bloody good then we could have gotten, or at least made a darn nice pitch for, Smyth. Losing Kostistsyn? Or Fischer? They aren't handcuffing us ... the idea (at least for me) going into trade-day after the Leafs game, was make us better for the Cup run ... let's give it our best shot. Who cares if Smyth didn't re-sign. What we have now is essentially fallen into re-build mode again (just 2-3 years after going through it), so now we arer 5 years or more away from contending .... losing a few prospects would have at leasst given us one shot at it ... now we have nothing and it is only going to get worse come post-July 1st. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 28, 2007 8:25:11 GMT -5
Would you be mad if Montreal offered Kostitsyn, Fischer and one of this years first rounders and a pick in 2008? I know I wouldn't. Change those names for Price, Chipchura and a first do you still do it. I wouldn't. 3 firsts for a rental on a team that isn't even sure of making the playoffs is loon. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2007 10:53:29 GMT -5
Pretty good opinion below.
It took guts to pull trigger
Lowe knows he did the right thing
By TERRY JONES -- Sun Media
Ryan Smyth appears at his last Oilers practice before being traded to the Islanders on Tuesday. (Sun Media/Robert Taylor)
In the new NHL this wasn't supposed to happen. Finally a player was going to be able to be an Edmonton Oiler from the start of his career, past the age of 31.
And the chosen one was Ryan Smyth.
The beloved mullet man was going to be able to be the first to have a start-to-finish career here.
Ryan Smyth was, for much of his 12-year run in Edmonton, the face of the franchise, the heart and soul of the Edmonton Oilers. And now he's gone, traded to the New York Islanders for minor leaguer Robert Nilsson, junior Ryan O'Marra and a first round draft choice.
Say it ain't so.
FANS SHOCKED
When it came to Smyth, Edmonton fans didn't care about the dollars. He'd signed his previous two deals with hometown discounts. If it was $5.5 million per year, which seems to be the number it would have cost per year over five years to keep him here, fine.
To the fans, Ryan Smyth was not about dollars, he was about love and location.
To Kevin Lowe, he was about "a hockey decision."
There will be a public outcry about this one. And you can't blame fans for feeling that way.
Lowe and Oilers ownership and management made it quite clear they expect negative initial reaction from the fans.
The shock involved, alone, left people stunned throughout the hockey world, many of them live on the air at the time.
But give Lowe credit for guts.
He didn't think he was in a giant game of chicken, but he was ready for it just in case, and he didn't turn chicken.
It would have been so easy to concede Smyth had him where he wanted him and to do the deal because of the optics involved, especially on the day Mark Messier's banner would be raised to the rafters.
This took big, big, big, big balls.
"It was probably the most difficult phone call I've ever had to make," said Lowe of calling Smyth to break the news.
"I know it was the most difficult phone call I've ever had to make.
"I've known Ryan personally and professionally for many years.
"I used to think that there weren't many people who cared for the game more than I did, but I know one for sure that does.
"He was shocked. We're all a little stunned, but it's not like we knee-jerked anything.
"We've been thinking about this and I said, 'Go, you're a hockey player, play hockey.' I was able to do it and come back and, who knows, maybe he'll be able to do it, too.
"I hope I don't get in trouble for that. I don't think so,"
If that happens this summer, if Smyth returns to be an Oiler and Lowe has No. 94 plus a first-round pick, and two recent first round picks, we'll all be toasting Kevin Lowe's brilliance.
If it doesn't, and Smyth vows not to return here because of what happened on deadline day, there's going to have to be one fantastic free-agent signed in the off-season or Lowe is going to have a season ticket on the hot seat next year and maybe well into the future.
In one move, Kevin Lowe put his previously through-the-roof public approval rating on the line.
In one move, with many fans, he broke the trust.
So much for the new NHL.
Chris Pronger comes and goes.
And now Ryan Smyth is a New York Islander.
TRADE HITS HOME
Edmonton has suffered a lot of low blows when it's come to the loss of players over the years, but this one hit home.
The loss of Smyth is not only losing the best player on the team and Captain Canada, he was a player who represented their work ethic and values.
Smyth wasn't talking yesterday. He'll make himself available at the airport at noon today before flying to New York to join the Islanders.
You can't blame the fans for the shock and the emotions involved. They were my emotions.
I was stunned.
Shocked.
I didn't believe it could happen, that Lowe would actually be able to do it, especially on the night Mark Messier's banner was to be raised to the roof.
And you know what?
The fact that he did is what's telling me he knows, beyond a question of a doubt, he's doing the right thing.
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 28, 2007 12:21:03 GMT -5
Would you be mad if Montreal offered Kostitsyn, Fischer and one of this years first rounders and a pick in 2008? I know I wouldn't. Change those names for Price, Chipchura and a first do you still do it. I wouldn't. 3 firsts for a rental on a team that isn't even sure of making the playoffs is loon. My "deal" is four first rounders. The only untouchable as far a sI was concerned, prospect-wise, is Price ... but if the "price" was right, I'd at least be willing to take a risk. We have been in rebuild mode now since 1996ish .... its time for someone to have the guts to make a risk. Standing pat for all this while has mired us into the 7-8-9-10 spot ... good enough to get the fans giddy, not bad enough to improve. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 28, 2007 15:08:07 GMT -5
Smyth in tears saying goodbye to Edmonton. Doesn't sound like there's a secret deal in place that "wink-wink" he's coming back......
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Post by revin5 on Feb 28, 2007 17:29:12 GMT -5
Lowe is the kind of GM that destroys players. He's mishandled just about every deal he's made. Laraque, Comrie, Pronger Bergeron, now Smyth.. damn I'm glad he's not the Canadiens GM. He doesn't have any respect for his players (Laraque, Comrie, Bergeron) or the fans (Pronger) and doesn't know what it takes to win (Smyth). Smyth is the kind of player you can't replace.. I'd never want him on my team but that's only because of his attempt to start a fight after Canada lost the World Championchips to Finland.. I do know that he makes any team better.
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Post by ropoflu on Feb 28, 2007 21:39:27 GMT -5
Smyth clan was asking 5.7 millions anually... Don Meehan is Smyth's, Theo's and..... Markov's agent  Something's tells me that Bob will have a hard time signing Markov under 5 millions a year. I think I hate Don Meehan. |
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No thanks.
