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Post by Douper on Aug 12, 2003 10:09:37 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of Bure but he is able to put up some good numbers. Would we want to reaquire the sometimes sniper and a tough guy like a Jeff Toms for Patrice Brisebois and a Andreas Dackall?
The Panthers are looking for D help and we are looking to drop Breezy. Toms and Dackall would be thrown in just for Depth, Toms could help if Dwyer would get injured and he could fill a spot in Hamilton.
Bure is signed for this year so basically we would get rid of Breezy's contract and if it doesn't work out with Valeri then we just cut him loose at the deadline or UFC at the end of the year.
Toms would be a replacement player, depth player, he doesn't even have to play. I think Dackall will be relegated to that role this year anyways.
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 12, 2003 10:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by Douper on Aug 12, 2003 10:17:42 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Aug 12, 2003 10:21:01 GMT -5
tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=50331&hubName=mainThere is a link to the story on TSN. I wouldn't want him back. Way too soft. Way too selfish. Way too many mistakes, flubs and miscues. Surrounded with big players he might have one more good year. Might. Florida wants to restructure his deal. It'd probably take that just to move him. As for Jeff Toms .... ho hum. We may aswell keep Bill Lindsay.
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 12, 2003 10:21:14 GMT -5
Thanks for link. Dudley should have never claimed Valeri in the first place hehe...
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Post by Douper on Aug 12, 2003 10:22:12 GMT -5
BLNY...
Who are you talking about Brisebois? Cause that description sounds a lot like Brisebois...
It's funny when when the mention of a talented forward who can score (Something we need) People start saying: Oh he's too small, too soft...blah blah... I didn't see any big scoring wingers in the playoffs for Minnesota and they beat Colorado and Vancouver!
Face it people the system makes team now a days...
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Post by HFTO on Aug 12, 2003 10:45:09 GMT -5
Been there done that,what Hab especially mediocre ones have returned only to be even more mediocre too many.
Its kiddie time here unless the Habs get an impact player and were not in a position to orchestrate that unless Theo is part of the package.
Playoffs or not I'm actually looking forward to see if the Habs will stick with what there saying and let the kids have a shot.
I'm dying for a contender believe me, when you grow up and all your team does is win, this last ten years has really S**CKED.
In someways this could be refreshing even if they lose as long as we see potential headway.NO MORE CASTOFFS ESPECIALLY CASTOFF SMURFS!
HFTO
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Post by Goldthorpe on Aug 12, 2003 11:02:09 GMT -5
Let's not make last year mistake again, when we end up with too many forwards, and too many "I-produce-only-when-I-play-first-line" players. The competition will already be though for some of our prospects. I actually prefer to just keep Brisebois.
What about Audette and a pick for him? He is younger, and only have one year left to his contract (I think) as opposed to Audette's two.
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Post by Douper on Aug 12, 2003 11:04:55 GMT -5
I'm just desperatly looking for a way to get Brisebois out of the Bleu Blanc Rouge.  |
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Post by AH on Aug 12, 2003 11:06:49 GMT -5
I'm just desperatly looking for a way to get Brisebois out of the Bleu Blanc Rouge. no need to ... we still need Defense. Brisebois is not that bad ... he is an air-head at times ... but not a terrible hockey player. I can learn to forgive. |
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Post by jl.roberts on Aug 12, 2003 11:32:16 GMT -5
Bure is soft, struggling, and on most nights more of a space cadet than anything else. However, there is talent. He sounds and awful lot like #82, does he not?
Would you be willing to flip Audette for Bure?
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 12, 2003 12:05:27 GMT -5
Would you be willing to flip Audette for Bure? Yes, because you get out of Audette's deal for 04-05 and there isn't all that much difference between the Don and Val right now. As for Breezy, his no trade clause expires after the 03-04 season...so he will soon no longer be our problem(I'll assume we'll have to pay a part of his salary next summer if we want to deal him though). |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 12, 2003 12:15:02 GMT -5
Brisebois is not that bad ... he is an air-head at times ... but not a terrible hockey player. I can learn to forgive. I really thought he would be gone after that Paris affair, and then by draft day (but no GM's were buying), and then again by this summer...but alas, Patrice has more lives than a lucky cat. I guess we can all concede to seeing him come opening night...*sigh* It sounds like Dudley is being partially driven by finances here (wants to spread the contract payments over a longer term), which would make me think that Dudley isn't likely to want a vet that comes with a higher price tag than Bure (a.k.a. Breezer). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2003 14:55:02 GMT -5
You mean they re-acquired Bure just to want to get rid of him again? I don't understand.
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Post by cousin nark on Aug 12, 2003 15:06:50 GMT -5
The TSN article linked above has this quote
"Florida traded Bure to the St. Louis Blues back in March but re-acquired him in June rather than let the Blues buy out the remainder of his contract, which would have cost the Panthers alot more money."
Does anyone know why the Blues buying out Bure would cost the Panthers ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2003 15:13:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know why the Blues buying out Bure would cost the Panthers ? I guess the Panthers ate up some of his contract, or something. |
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Post by cousin nark on Aug 12, 2003 15:46:43 GMT -5
If they ate some of his salary, that would be a fixed cost, so that cant be it.
When they made the trade the Panthers obviously agreed to pay most of the cost of a buyout, should St Louis decide to go that route.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Aug 12, 2003 16:17:12 GMT -5
no need to ... we still need Defense. Brisebois is not that bad ... he is an air-head at times ... but not a terrible hockey player. I can learn to forgive. I totally agree...and as for getting Bure back...think Czerskawski without the size |
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Post by GoMtl on Aug 12, 2003 17:43:37 GMT -5
Here's my proposed deal.
Brisebois with 1/3 salary paid (1.33 mill for 3 years (4 mill total))
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Bure
After aquiring Bure, we proceed to buy out his contract (2 mill).
In the end we pay a total of 6 mill to get rid of Brisebois' contract, where as right now it would cost us 8 mill to do so. Savings of 2 million right there ;D
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Post by cousin nark on Aug 12, 2003 18:39:21 GMT -5
if we really think he is nothing to us, how about we just give him away with half his salary paid for the first 2 years......then try and find someone to do his job for 1 million
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Post by GoMtl on Aug 12, 2003 18:42:48 GMT -5
if we really think he is nothing to us, how about we just give him away with half his salary paid for the first 2 years......then try and find someone to do his job for 1 million If someone would give us a mid range pick i'd go for it. |
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Post by cousin nark on Aug 12, 2003 18:49:21 GMT -5
why would you need anything? free for the taking.....any real contender would grab him in a heartbeat
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 13, 2003 3:08:06 GMT -5
We could have a line of Bure, Hossa and Kariya; "The wrong brothers".
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 13, 2003 8:33:40 GMT -5
We could have a line of Bure, Hossa and Kariya; "The wrong brothers". ;D Good one LA. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2003 10:08:03 GMT -5
We could have a line of Bure, Hossa and Kariya; "The wrong brothers". Then all we'd need are a Sedin and a Niedermeyer...but WHICH ONES?! |
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Post by Habit on Aug 13, 2003 10:21:40 GMT -5
Bure still has 1 year left on his deal that pays him 3.1M. To buy him out will cost 2.5 M. That's 80%!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 13, 2003 10:23:05 GMT -5
Bure still has 1 year left on his deal that pays him 3.1M. To buy him out will cost 2.5 M. That's 80%!! the buyouts are 66% |
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Post by blny on Aug 13, 2003 12:56:39 GMT -5
Here's my proposed deal. Brisebois with 1/3 salary paid (1.33 mill for 3 years (4 mill total)) for Bure
After aquiring Bure, we proceed to buy out his contract (2 mill). In the end we pay a total of 6 mill to get rid of Brisebois' contract, where as right now it would cost us 8 mill to do so. Savings of 2 million right there ;D Good creative thinking.  |
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Post by blny on Aug 13, 2003 13:01:45 GMT -5
BLNY... Who are you talking about Brisebois? Cause that description sounds a lot like Brisebois... It's funny when when the mention of a talented forward who can score (Something we need) People start saying: Oh he's too small, too soft...blah blah... I didn't see any big scoring wingers in the playoffs for Minnesota and they beat Colorado and Vancouver! Face it people the system makes team now a days... Except for the fact that Brisebois isn't small. You must be forgetting the period in which Bure was a Hab. Great skater, but lacks the ability to produce enough offense to make up for his defensive inadequacies. The last thing Montreal needs is another small forward with an annual +/- rating submarining to the level of -30. Bure can't be compared to any of the forwards on the Minnesota Wild. They have heart, desire, grit, and are coachable. No Bure I know has any of these traits. The system may make the team, but you need players capable of playing in that system. You can't play the trap, or any form of defense, with floaters. |
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Post by Habit on Aug 13, 2003 13:11:37 GMT -5
Oops... My Bad!! I thought that didn't sound right. Thanks Marc!! ;D But that is still 2.1 M for a player that only should be getting 1.5 M or so. At 5' 10" and 187 lbs, Injuries and Attutide; 2.1 or 3.1 M can be better spent IMO. |
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