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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 6:55:35 GMT -5
i know ...he 42 but maybe he got 1 more year left in the tank..i mean 10 goals and he only took 50 shots....43 points great passer maybe at 1million would ya try him?
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Post by StickHandler on Aug 19, 2003 7:16:14 GMT -5
Welcome to Habsrus Marcel.
I'd rather see one of our prospects get some serious ice time rather than sign Larionov.
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Post by Tattac on Aug 19, 2003 7:19:39 GMT -5
Larionov means Hockey for me. I can't imagine this game without him. But no, I don't think it's a good idea to sign him.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 19, 2003 7:52:08 GMT -5
I actually think its not a bad idea. Boot Juneau out of town, use Larionov as 3rd line center (or heck, 2nd line, whatever) and have him tutor Perezhoughin and Markov this year, and Kastitsyin next year. He'd probably be a pretty good tutor for Ribeiro and Higgins as well. Offer him an assistant coaching position the year after that.
Habs are banking extremely heavily on their Russian prospects/young players to be important members of the core in 3-5 years. The least we could do would be to get a mentor for them, and what better mentor than the much revered and respected Igor Larionov?
Sundstrom - Larionov - Perezhoughin? I'd take that line, this year and next.
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Post by Douper on Aug 19, 2003 7:58:36 GMT -5
GREAT IDEA..... If we would use him for this then I would be all for it! yes he is Small but who cares, if he can help the Young Russians out then why not!
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Post by Tattac on Aug 19, 2003 7:58:50 GMT -5
While I agree that Larionov can be a perfect mentor for young Russian (and not only Russian) players, I cannot imagine this team with Koivu, Perrault, Ribeiro and Larionov in center. It looks too weak.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 19, 2003 8:06:37 GMT -5
While I agree that Larionov can be a perfect mentor for young Russian (and not only Russian) players, I cannot imagine this team with Koivu, Perrault, Ribeiro and Larionov in center. It looks too weak. Does it look any better with Koivu, Perrault, Ribeiro and Juneau at center? Any way you line them up, the Habs are going to be weak down the middle for the next year or two (at least). In my mind, its a question of Juneau or Larionov. Both would be expected to be that veteran leader, teaching the kids how to be NHLers. From what I have heard of Juneau, he is not the guy we want doing this. And given that we will be relying on the Russians over the next few years, it would be nice if we had somebody who could actually speak Russian. Right now, only Markov can do the translating for Perezhoughin, and he ain't so great in English to begin with. Never mind he himself is still a young player, and a shy one to boot. Larionov would help bridge the cultural divide for guys like Perezhoughin, and Kastitsyin, much better than Juneau would, in my opinon. |
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 8:11:41 GMT -5
igor is still one of the leaugues best passers even at 42...has tremendous leadership skill and all i was saying at 1 million i take him...i mean he played 74 games last year and i think he can teach the youngsters some tricks of the trade so to speak...how many games did douggie play for us last year 62 gms for 1.8 million...not dissing doug i thank him for his 30 pts but the constant nagging back injury coupled with the i might retire rumours i didn't care for much...igor 43 pts for 1.5 million...surley it could be anything less than what doug did could it?i mean offer him 1.3 million and dish juneau?..but i think igor even being 2 years older offers better value that doug does ...igor 3 stanleys cup i dunno...i just wish he was 5 years younger..lol...
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Post by DeportivoHabs on Aug 19, 2003 8:33:31 GMT -5
Like I've said before....
I'd much rather see Adam Oates than Larionov. Oates is the guy who makes his wingers better than they actually are...and he's been doing in for years. Yeh...he's a bit old and slow too...but doesn't affect his numbers at all.
I'd love to see oates between some of our promising rookies or our struggling forwards.
Unlike some of you guys...I'd never put Audette back on the top line...but a Ward - Oates - Audette line doesn't look too bad. Might get Donald scoring again.
As for Igor...he's alright...but hard not to look good in Detroit playing with all those guys.
As for Gilmour...good riddance - can stand a guy who openly expresses his desire to play for another team - let alone the leafs.
Oates for 1 - 1.5 million.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 19, 2003 8:54:26 GMT -5
Well, I think you would be getting Oates for the wrong reason though – you’d want him to actually produce. That’s the same problem we had with Gilmour – the fans, management and Dougie himself all expected him to pop in 50 points or so, and he needed to justify why he wasn’t doing it; “I need top line minutes, I need powerplay time, I need good wingers…”
If you are expecting the same thing from Larionov, then yeah, forget it. In Montreal, I doubt he would get much more than 30-35 points. But that’s not what I would get him for. I’d get him to play 60-65 games, take Ribeiro (a similar style player) and Perezhoughin under his wing, and to push and support Markov, to take him to the next level. He can do all the translating, and unlike Oates, who has whined his way off a couple of teams, Larionov is renowned for his leadership abilities, both with Russians and non-Russians. Translate for Perezhoughin, teach Ribeiro how to be an NHLer, provide a safety net for Markov. Essentially be a player-coach.
I’d offer him a one year deal, with an option for second year. If the Habs don’t pick up the option (or if there is a strike) Habs have to offer him a 3 year, assistant coaching position. Let him mentor Kastitsyin and Korneev, when they arrive. With Petrov gone, there is no veteran Russia to help out the kids…
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Post by TheHabsfan on Aug 19, 2003 9:08:38 GMT -5
Hey guys, long time no type...
With a youth movement on the go, I would be opposed to signing any player over the age of 28. Sure, Igor would be a great mentor, but really, Markov is doing great on his own...the benefits of getting Igor would be outweighed, IMO, by the benefits of giving some younger guys some experience and playing time. By going youth movement, we automatically should accept that this team will not necessarily be very competitive for a couple of years. We should take advantage of the fact that most people, fans and media alike, are willing to let the team develop some players and live with the consequences for the time being.
That being said, I would much rather see a guy like Higgins get some quality time centering the 3rd line and move JJ to the 4th. If we are to suck, might as well go all the way and get some benefit out of it.
THF
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 19, 2003 9:28:22 GMT -5
igor is still one of the leaugues best passers even at 42...has tremendous leadership skill and all i was saying at 1 million i take him...i mean he played 74 games last year and i think he can teach the youngsters some tricks of the trade so to speak...how many games did douggie play for us last year 62 gms for 1.8 million...not dissing doug i thank him for his 30 pts but the constant nagging back injury coupled with the i might retire rumours i didn't care for much...igor 43 pts for 1.5 million...surley it could be anything less than what doug did could it?i mean offer him 1.3 million and dish juneau?..but i think igor even being 2 years older offers better value that doug does ...igor 3 stanleys cup i dunno...i just wish he was 5 years younger..lol... Doug Gilmour was my favourite of the Habs, but it really didn't hurt the club to see him leave. I have no doubt he'll return with Toronto (the turncoat!), but like Montreal, he'll probably want to be publicly coaxed back. I could be wrong, but .... I like both your and BC's assessment that Larionov would bring much needed experience to the club. The Russian connection BC mentioned, plus the international and professional hockey experience both of you referred to has been missing from the club BIG TIME right now. You know something, Marcel, I wouldn't even be unhappy with Adam Oates for a season. But, I'll bet he wouldn't consider playing "anywhere cold" at this point in his career. Yeah, I'd take stab at Igor. What the heck. Cheers. |
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 9:53:25 GMT -5
ya oates might not want to take a pay cut from 3.5 millon in anihiem (hot weather)to let's say 1.5 million to come to montreal(cold weather)..that a big pay cut ...igor's in detroit is more used to the montreal climate being just a slap shot across the border...and he's only seeking 1.5 million...so like i said give the man 1.3 or 1.5 million and i like your sugestion of coaching possibilities after retirement...if were goin with the russians on the habs they might as well have one of the better ones showing and teaching what vast amount of knowlege and experiences only igor can bring...i mean we paid mckay 2..2 mill last year what did he give us?are any of the habs (younger habs)better for having him around?igor is a mentor that's all i can say...i don't see him being a cancer to the dressing room i see him as some one the young russian would look up to ...and maybe he could teach them english..even that got to be worth a million eh?what's lesson sand transulators cost the habs or players every year every..lol...
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 19, 2003 10:31:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, long time no type... With a youth movement on the go, I would be opposed to signing any player over the age of 28. Sure, Igor would be a great mentor, but really, Markov is doing great on his own...the benefits of getting Igor would be outweighed, IMO, by the benefits of giving some younger guys some experience and playing time. By going youth movement, we automatically should accept that this team will not necessarily be very competitive for a couple of years. We should take advantage of the fact that most people, fans and media alike, are willing to let the team develop some players and live with the consequences for the time being. That being said, I would much rather see a guy like Higgins get some quality time centering the 3rd line and move JJ to the 4th. If we are to suck, might as well go all the way and get some benefit out of it. THF Agreed! signing any over 40 years old vets right now is just not the way to go! |
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 19, 2003 11:19:22 GMT -5
Agreed! signing any over 40 years old vets right now is just not the way to go! Juneau or Larionov? We're talking one year here, maybe two. Larionov is a much better leader, something that is sorely lacking on this team right now. Where would Hainsey be right now, if somebody was there to teach him how to be an NHLer last year? Think of what Larionov could do for Perezhoughin and Kastitsyin, and even Markov. How about Ribeiro, who is virtually a clone, or Higgins, when he comes up? When Larionov speaks, Russians and non-Russians listen. The same can't be said of Juneau, or 98% of the rest of the guys on the team. We all want a youth movement, and its coming, but you have to have somebody to teach the kids too. Julien isn't enough. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 19, 2003 11:27:07 GMT -5
Hey I also hate Juneau but Larionov can't fill JJ's role. He won't play the PK, he won't play a defensive role vs the other team's big guns, etc
Larionov right now is a 3rd-4th liner on a great team where he can be counted on for secondary offence like he was in Detroit..I doubt he is a top 2 line guy right now and he doesn't fit on a 3rd line if it's used for defensive puposes or a 4th line if it's used for crashing and banging.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 19, 2003 11:36:12 GMT -5
CJ showed last year that he likes to roll four lines, and match up his top lines with other team's top lines. Our penalty killing, which Juneau was a large part of, sucked last year. Juneau's role was greatly diminished, and it will be again next year.
Bulis - Koivu - Audette
Hossa - Ribeiro/Perrault - Zednik
Sundstrom - Larionov - Perezhoughin
Dwyer - Kilger - Ward
PKers:
1) Bulis - Koivu
2) Sundstrom - Kilger
3) Ward - Perezhoughin
And there is still Andreas Dackell...
Larionov, in my opinion, would bring a lot more intangibles to the team than Juneau's alleged "defensive play."
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 11:50:46 GMT -5
5 of his 10 goal were on the powerplay...he say he want to play a few years yet..hmmm
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 11:58:12 GMT -5
gettin 11 minutes and still got 43 pts...he claim he still got the fuel in the tank feels 42 is not the time to retire and he doesn't like dave lewis that much....someone give me bob gaineys phone number...lol
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Post by MPLABBE on Aug 19, 2003 11:58:25 GMT -5
CJ showed last year that he likes to roll four lines, and match up his top lines with other team's top lines. Our penalty killing, which Juneau was a large part of, sucked last year. Juneau's role was greatly diminished, and it will be again next year. while CJ did that against teams that did not have great top lines...he did use the Juneau line against teams like vancouver who have one big line. It will be interesting to see what way CJ will go: a checking line or 4 balanced lines? |
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 12:22:03 GMT -5
not many players in the leauge are though of in this manor...this is what 1 million will get you along with 40 pts....
Irbe played with Larionov on Soviet national teams and with the Sharks from 1993-95, when he was traded to the Red Wings for Ray Sheppard.
"He was my mentor when I first joined the national team. He showed me around," Irbe said. "He's always been one of the classy guys who takes care of others."
we need this guy in the room for the young russians....knock knock...
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Post by TheHabsfan on Aug 19, 2003 12:31:07 GMT -5
Personally, I would like to get rid of JJ and not replace him from the outside...I would replace him with one of our young guys coming up. I, like most, feel that JJ has outlived his usefulness with the Habs...but replacing him with a guy like Larionov won't make us better than giving some young guy, full of energy and desire, a chance to prove himself. If the coaching staff bring these young guys in the same way that they did with Komo, it will go a long way in building their confidence.
And anyway, unloading JJ will be most difficult, so I fear that we are stuck with him, like it or not.
THF
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Post by legaspesien on Aug 19, 2003 12:32:19 GMT -5
we need this guy in the room for the young russians....knock knock... !! If you want room for our young russian don't hire their grand father |
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Post by marcel on Aug 19, 2003 12:41:53 GMT -5
all i saying is at 42 the guy goes out night in nihgt out and show great work ethic...this maybe a trait that could be shown to the younger guys ribero,hossa etc...the young guns are not going to show up alot of night that's just the way it is but if they see the russian god father out playing them and takin a regular shifht at 42 ..maybe it might make them work that much harder...i keep reapeting he is still in great shape and come pass the puck with surgical prescision...anyway he worth a million to me....mr gillette if you need the extra million for igor ......call me...you know my number
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