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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2002 14:06:54 GMT -5
Just heard this on the radio, on a non-BS station - Habs acquire Fiset for a conditionnal draft pick.
I assume LA has to be picking up part of his salary...
Still, good insurance if Theo gets hurt, and makes it easier to trade/dump Hack over the summer.
Thoughts ?
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Post by Maritimer on Mar 19, 2002 14:10:33 GMT -5
It makes no sense unless it is part of something else in the making.
Is Fiset who has had two major injuries this year in the minors better than Garon? Is he cheaper than Garon? I don't think so.
Is Garon on the move?
We can only protect 2 of Theodore, Garon, Fiset, & Hackett over the summer so why bother?
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2002 14:26:33 GMT -5
For right now, Fiset gives us a guy who can fill in at the NHL level if Theo gets hurt - Garon hasn't shown he can do that.
For the summer, no one will want Fiset anyhow, he's cleared waivers before and will again.
Now we can dump Hack over the summer, and still have 4 goalies, including 2 with NHL experience.
And the conditionnal pick is in 2003, meaning that the pick will depend on if we need Fiset next season as a backup, or not. Seems another indication that Hack is on his way out.
Depending on the pick (no more than a 4th) and on salary (LA has to pick up 30 or 40% ), I like this deal.
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Post by Maritimer on Mar 19, 2002 14:35:08 GMT -5
In name Fiset has a better track record but I'm just thinking he is no better at this point in his career. He has been in Manchester all year as far as I know and he blew his knee out once and had another injury that shelved him for a few weeks.
Is he really better than Garon? I don't think so. Sure the guy played in the NHL but that means squat at this point to me.
he isn't good enough to give starts to in order to rest Theo so why bother unless Garon is on the move?
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2002 14:50:10 GMT -5
It's called insurance.
For now Fiset will give Tarasov a hand in Quebec City. But if ever Garon simply can't cut it, we have Fiset who can do the job. This goes for the rest of this season, and if Hack is dealt, then the situation is the same next season:
Theo #1
Garon #2
Tarasov learning in the minors
Fiset in the minors, but decent insurance if Theo goes down that we have some who we know for sure can be decent at the NHL level.
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2002 15:10:29 GMT -5
Hmm, looks like Fiset will be Theo's backup, from the RDS article.
This is bad for Garon... if they don't feel he can be a backup now, they probably won't change their mind over the summer.
Or maybe they just want to be sure that Garon gets enough ice time... whoever backs up Theo won't get much ice time.
Funny to think we wind up with Theo and Fiset - the same guys Serge Savard wanted to see together years ago.... but we also have Hack, and we don't have Owen Nolan, hmmm :-\
(reminder - S.Savard was on the verge of dealing Roy for Nolan and Fiset when he was fired).
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 15:39:18 GMT -5
OK, this is the only question I will ask:
IS FISET A UFA AT THE END OF THIS YEAR??
IF he is, great for us, good insurance for the rest of the season, dump him at the end of the year if he sucked, re-sign him if he did a good job.
I mean, it would be quite embarassing having 6 million tied up to your number 2 and number 3 goalies in 2002-03.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 15:41:02 GMT -5
Hmm, looks like Fiset will be Theo's backup, from the RDS article. This is bad for Garon... if they don't feel he can be a backup now, they probably won't change their mind over the summer. Or maybe they just want to be sure that Garon gets enough ice time... whoever backs up Theo won't get much ice time. Funny to think we wind up with Theo and Fiset - the same guys Serge Savard wanted to see together years ago.... but we also have Hack, and we don't have Owen Nolan, hmmm :-\ (reminder - S.Savard was on the verge of dealing Roy for Nolan and Fiset when he was fired). It's looking more and move obvious Garon has no future in this organization...IMO of course. |
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Post by Thanatos on Mar 19, 2002 16:05:59 GMT -5
It's looking more and move obvious Garon has no future in this organization...IMO of course. IMO, I don't see this as anything other than a short-term solution for the rest of this season. I think it's highly unlikely that Fiset will be challenging Garon for back-up next season |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 16:08:38 GMT -5
IMO, I don't see this as anything other than a short-term solution for the rest of this season. I think it's highly unlikely that Fiset will be challenging Garon for back-up next season The way I see it, if this team doesn't have enough confidence in Garon to start *one* or *two* games down the stretch(please don't give me the 'he has to play down on the farm excuse'...he has been there since 1998-99) they will never have enough confidence in him.Garon's string of starts in November killed him IMO. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 16:09:45 GMT -5
Anyone want to bet Fiset's 1st start with the Habs comes this weekend in TB or Nashville?
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Post by Thanatos on Mar 19, 2002 16:31:03 GMT -5
The way I see it, if this team doesn't have enough confidence in Garon to start *one* or *two* games down the stretch(please don't give me the 'he has to play down on the farm excuse'...he has been there since 1998-99) they will never have enough confidence in him.Garon's string of starts in November killed him IMO. MPLABBE, you may well be right. But, perhaps Fiset's playoff experience in Colorado swayed them to go with him over Garon. My best guess is that come October when the team and the coaching staff can afford to wager a couple of games to see if Garon has the right stuff to back-up Theo, we'll be seeing him between the pipes again. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2002 17:03:48 GMT -5
The way I see it, if this team doesn't have enough confidence in Garon to start *one* or *two* games down the stretch(please don't give me the 'he has to play down on the farm excuse'...he has been there since 1998-99) they will never have enough confidence in him.Garon's string of starts in November killed him IMO. Games are too critical now to be experimenting... Give Garon AHL ice time, Fiset warms the bench.... and Fiset is insurance if Garon can't do the job next season. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 17:12:36 GMT -5
MPLABBE, you may well be right. But, perhaps Fiset's playoff experience in Colorado swayed them to go with him over Garon. My best guess is that come October when the team and the coaching staff can afford to wager a couple of games to see if Garon has the right stuff to back-up Theo, we'll be seeing him between the pipes again. Could be, we shall see...anyone know if we have Fiset signed for next year? or he is a UFA after this year? |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 17:16:53 GMT -5
Games are too critical now to be experimenting... Give Garon AHL ice time, Fiset warms the bench.... and Fiset is insurance if Garon can't do the job next season. Another thing we can't forget:The Tanguay's own the Cits and apparently(this according to Michel Bergeron) they were pretty pissed when Garon was called up.They need their #1 goalie so they can win the Calder Cup...something to keep in mind. |
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Post by legaspesien on Mar 19, 2002 17:25:19 GMT -5
Don't forget that we operate the Cits franchise with a partner...in business you have to respect your partner and it's what AS just did...Garon in Qc is like Theo in MTL...now Garon has to finnish is development on the ice not on the bench in Mtl that trade is also good for Garon future he will end up with a better experience
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 17:31:35 GMT -5
Don't forget that we operate the Cits franchise with a partner...in business you have to respect your partner and it's what AS just did...Garon in Qc is like Theo in MTL...now Garon has to finnish is development on the ice not on the bench in Mtl that trade is also good for Garon future he will end up with a better experience True...I had totally forgot about what Garon means to the Cits.I really think Tanguay wants to win the Calder cup this year to put his team on the map and he needs Garon to do that. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2002 16:15:20 GMT -5
Another thing no one has mentionned:
Could this be a jab towards Jeff Hackett? Red Fisher says in today's Gazette that 3 docs told Hack to go under the knife now...I wonder if AS thought about this when he made this deal.
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Post by Thanatos on Mar 20, 2002 16:31:41 GMT -5
Another thing no one has mentionned: Could this be a jab towards Jeff Hackett? Red Fisher says in today's Gazette that 3 docs told Hack to go under the knife now...I wonder if AS thought about this when he made this deal. I think it may well be management's way of telling Jeff to have his shoulder taken care of NOW, instead of waiting for the off-season. IMO, I think it's for the best. Have Hackett get his surgery over with, give him 7 months to get back into game shape, and be ready for next season when hopefully we'll have a healthy Koivu and Audette back along with whomever we sign over the summer.  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2002 16:36:59 GMT -5
I think it may well be management's way of telling Jeff to have his shoulder taken care of NOW, instead of waiting for the off-season. IMO, I think it's for the best. Have Hackett get his surgery over with, give him 7 months to get back into game shape, and be ready for next season when hopefully we'll have a healthy Koivu and Audette back along with whomever we sign over the summer. And hopefully Hackett could get his career back on track and we could deal him to a team that would play him more than we do. |
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Post by Thanatos on Mar 20, 2002 16:45:36 GMT -5
And hopefully Hackett could get his career back on track and we could deal him to a team that would play him more than we do. I'll second that, as much as I like/respect Jeff, he's not much use to us sitting on the bench. Send him off to a team with whom he can be a regular contributor. And hopefully we'll get back someone of value for this team. |
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Mar 20, 2002 19:01:42 GMT -5
Good Insurance move on the Habs part. Fiset has playoff experience but will be the no.2 man behind Theo of course.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2002 19:37:00 GMT -5
I'll second that, as much as I like/respect Jeff, he's not much use to us sitting on the bench. Send him off to a team with whom he can be a regular contributor. And hopefully we'll get back someone of value for this team. I'd be happy getting nothing if we can shed almost all if not all of his salary. |
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