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Post by Roggy on Mar 18, 2002 21:09:00 GMT -5
Was thinking about this earlier. If we consider him our goalie for the next decade or so, what is a fair salary for his next contract?
He carries our team, night in, and night out. We'd be fighting Atlanta for Bouwmeester if Theo hadn't stepped up in Hackett's absence.
So what is a 25 year old all-star goaltender worth nowadays? If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the asking price is going to start at 5 million and end up around 4 - 4.25 million.
If I'm out to lunch, let me know why...
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Post by Douper on Mar 18, 2002 21:27:48 GMT -5
THEODORE IS WORTH:
MArio Lemieux, Paul Karya and Ilya Kovalchuk!
He is the man who make us forget about #33 once and for all!
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Post by Cranky on Mar 18, 2002 21:37:42 GMT -5
Right now, he is worth a Kovalchuk, straight up.
Actually, he is worth any single player in the league. Any. Even Pronger.
You know what, if Tarasov or Garon was ready, plus acouple more years of Hack, then I would trade him for Kovalchuk. But right now, he is the difference between the light in the distance and nightmares.
The ugly, scary kind of nightmares.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 18, 2002 22:09:05 GMT -5
Just ask Erik Cole  ;D Amazing, flat out astounding. I don't even know IF I would trade him for Kovalchuk or Pronger or Kariya... Even if Hack was still healthy and Garon or Tarasov were ready I wouldn't deal him. When you have a goalie like him, who is 25, who can steal games, create confidence for the rest of the team, make spectacular saves, is good looking, is smart and doesn't think the world of himself(like Roy),you keep him. His salary next year? 3-5 million for sure IMO Sign him long term...something like a million more each year for 4-5 years. We could win a cup with this kid in goal. |
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Mar 19, 2002 0:42:41 GMT -5
I really disagree with you guys. I would trade Theo for K'chuk in a heartbeat and I'd throw in a first rounder if needed. <br>
There are now and will continue to be more great young goalie prospects than pure scoring forwards with a nasty streak. Anybody who wouldn't trade Theo for K'chk straight up has to stay away from the ganja, imo. Luongo, Blackburn, Giguerre, Denis, Leclaire, Aubin and Turco, just to name a few -- they're all very good young goaltenders who may match or exceed Theo over the long haul. I'm not saying they will, but the sheer numbers are such that the choice between Kovalchuk and Theo isn't a difficult one in my mind. You're quite a bit more likely to find another great young goalie in the next three to four years than you are to get your hands on a player like Ilya Kovalchuk. And if your team doesn't suck and backpeddle all night long you won't need someone to stand on their head night after night as though it's some sort of goalie demonstration....
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 19, 2002 11:09:49 GMT -5
I agree with JV... the way things are these days, top shelf offensive talent is extremely difficult to find; much more so than a good goalie, regardless of Theo's heroics. Kovalchuk is a rare find who has immediately become an impact player. I said at draft time that I would have traded Theo, Markov, and a 1st for Kovalchuk and I would still make that trade today, even though Theo is the only thing keeping us from getting blown out every night.
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Post by Habanero on Mar 19, 2002 11:15:53 GMT -5
I agree with Johnny. The trade price for Theodore would be steep. But I think, for the right price, it would be worth the risk.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 19, 2002 11:26:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that boys.
I haven't seen Kovalchuck, Bure, Lecavalier or Karyia carry their franchise on their back the way Roy, Hasek (in Buffalo) and now Theo does. Even Jagr (the best forward) isn't carrying Washington the way Kolzig carried them 2 years ago.
If you're gonna have a bad team (which is what we have), an outsanding goalie can make you competitive. But if you have a bad team, a Star forward won't change much, but give you a show.
In terms of win/lose impact, you can't get much better then Theodore right now and in terms of marketing impact, again, a local boy that lives here, speaks perfectly both language, sounds intelligent, has a cocky/winner attitude and looks good; you can't beat that.
Theo has exceptional value here.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 19, 2002 12:18:33 GMT -5
Good point, Doc. I don't think anyone would argue that we would have a worse record today with Kovalchuk and his offense than Theo and his ability to keep us in games. A hot goalie can solve a lot of problems, but eventually you have to put the puck in the net to win games. The other problem for MTL is that we have been so bad for so long, it would be hard to justify taking a step backward record-wise, which would happen if we traded Theo.
However, I don't think the Habs are kidding anyone here. Most fans know that the team in front of Theo is painfully average and that we need some real offensive weapons to take the next step. You could put 2 goalies in net in front of this team and we'd still go nowhere. With the surplus of good, young goalies out there, I would take every opportunity to upgrade the offense and then worry about the goaltending later.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2002 17:25:57 GMT -5
I'll build a franchise around a young, oustanding goalie anyday over a potentially outstanding 40-50 goal scorer.
A goalie plays 60-70 games, EVERY minute of the game,He can make an impact at any time.He change the game at any time.He can steal games.
Guys like Kovalchuk, Kariya, Bure, etc are all great to watch, but they play 25-30 minutes per game, they want 10 million per year, they are targets of the opposition every night, you CAN shut them down.You can't shut down a great goalie.
Just my take.
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