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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 13, 2002 1:40:36 GMT -5
With the recent acquisition of Malhotra, the Dallas Stars seem to have quite a glut of centres right now. Turgeon and Audette were two signings Dallas made over the summer and we all know how fast Audette was shipped outta there. But like Audette, Turgeon never seemed to find his niche in Dallas, and although he's faired a bit better in recent games, I still think a change of scenery would suit him better.
My question is, should Savard try to make a pitch for Turgeon?
Gilmour is most likely gone after this season, Perreault has been cold since November, and Juneau is scoring of late but he's still known for his defence. Other than Koivu we seriously lack in creative offensive centres. I think part of the reason that guys like Zednik and Berezin aren't scoring is because there is no one to properly feed them the puck.
Berezin has done well with Perreault in the past but that was just for one season. Perreault was slumping before the Berezin acquisition and is still struggling to find his early season form. Berezin is a supposed sniper. I think that he would be much more effective if he had someone feeding him the puck instead of having him try to carry the puck in himself. Even when he was on Toronto I always wondered why Quinn never put Berezin with Sundin. I always thought that Berezin would be much more effective playing with a playmaker like Sundin rather than Perreault. (Instead Quinn put Hoglund on the first line???)
Next season a one-two punch of Koivu and Turgeon would do very nicely IMO. It would be the type of move that would add some serious jump to our flailing offence. The centre position is the key to any team's offense. For the Habs to enjoy any type of success, I think that it is crucial for them to find another creative centreman. Besides the only reason we got Perreault this past summer was because Turgeon was already taken, why doesn't Savard look into the situation again?
Right now Turgeon's value is not very high, maybe we could dangle a dman and someone like Ribiero to get the ball rolling.
Thoughts?
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Post by habmeister on Mar 13, 2002 1:44:39 GMT -5
to be honest with you i can't stand turgeon even for a second. i never liked him and didn't think he handled the pressure well being french canadian and on the habs. i'd rather see us go with an american type player like roenick, leclair, more hard nosed with an upside, just not turgeon. i think he's soft and doesn't like the pressure of playing here.
guys i'd like to see us get:
Guerin, Lapointe, leclair, McCarty, Bertuzzi, those types. We need some size, toughness and grit. We've got enough "turgeons" thanks.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 13, 2002 9:00:24 GMT -5
Good post Ghost.
The Perreault/Berezin "great Leaf history" is pure fabrication. When Berezin was having his 37g season, his center was Korolev (playmaker), Yannic only joined the Leafs with 12 games left in that season. The following season, playing with Yannic, Berezin's production dropped to 26 and the season after to 22. So the reality is that Berezin's offense went downhill once paired with Perreault. You hit the nail on the head why, Perreault is more of a sniper himself then a playmaker as his goals/assists ratio tend to suggest.
Turgeon would be an interesting addition as you are right, we are thin on playmakers but with Newendike heading to free agency, I doubt Dallas is looking to trade him. But you never know.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 13, 2002 9:22:25 GMT -5
I'd take Turgeon back in a heartbeat, and Dallas can pretty much take what they want (within reason). I would say that the only untouchables right now are Hainsey, Komisarek, and perhaps Hossa. Other than that, with 1st/2nd line ice time, Turgeon is guaranteed to give you 80+ points for the next 2-3 years, and his presence will take some pressure off Koivu.
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Mar 13, 2002 10:31:58 GMT -5
Not Turgeon. Holik. Repeat after me: Not Turgeon. Holik
If you want to be a cannoli, or a cheesecake, then soft up the middle is okay. If you're building a hockey team, or a baseball team, or an office building, you need strength up the middle. It's called a "spine". Holik, Koivu, Juneau, Kilger, Gratton. That's strength up the middle. Turgeon, Koivu, Perreault and Juneau is not nearly as much strength as we need.
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 13, 2002 12:01:03 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity... but wasn't Bob Gainey at the Leafs game saturday night? And doesn't he work for Dallas???
Nothing like a bit of fuel to add to the rumour fire (although - it could have just as likely been a deal involving sending Eddie to the big TO - which I'd much prefer than us getting Turgeon, becuase if Toronto adds one more nut we're going to have to start calling the Maple Leafs "Planters")
And as an aside, Johnny, it's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it. And while Turgeon is soft like over cooked potatoes, Koivu is one of the toughest little guys in the league. Kinda like Fleury except more stable and a little more injured (and he doesn't take cheap shots - but I disgress). While Juneau's not a big man, he's been given all the big defensive assignments this year (except in the last period when we're defending a lead... then we trot out the big guns like Odjick and Berezin) and he's done a damn good job of shutting down guys who would blow by our lackluster defence. And quite frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Pierre feeding our resident cherry picker Sergi Berezin long, beautiful passes.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think we should put Berezin on with Petrov. I see Petrov pull that backhanded turn-around and make the defenceman see five pucks move and then he's got no one to pass to. Sergei may be the biggest kind of a pughog, but Petrov needs a sniper to make use of his talents...
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 13, 2002 12:49:47 GMT -5
Not Turgeon. Holik. Repeat after me: Not Turgeon. Holik If you want to be a cannoli, or a cheesecake, then soft up the middle is okay. If you're building a hockey team, or a baseball team, or an office building, you need strength up the middle. It's called a "spine". Holik, Koivu, Juneau, Kilger, Gratton. That's strength up the middle. Turgeon, Koivu, Perreault and Juneau is not nearly as much strength as we need. If you ask me, signing Bobby Holik in the offseason should be the #1 priority of Andre Savard. My only concern, especially given that we struck out last year on the UFA front, is that Holik has no interest in playing for MTL. However (as Bobbi Fleckman stated in This Is Spinal Tap) "money talks, and bullsh*t walks". I would overpay to bring in a guy like Holik, but we're probably talking upwards of $7-8MM per year. If I thought we even had a 50-50 shot at Holik, then I wouldn't bother with Turgeon, esp if the prognosis for Koivu is good. |
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Mar 13, 2002 13:14:17 GMT -5
I've heard Holik will be looking for a deal in the range of 6,000,000 a year. I give it to you for what I paid for it....
I'd go as high as 6.5 million X 3 yrs for a guy like Holik. He'd change the entire complexion of the top three lines. He'd have more impact than Hull or Lapointe would've had at 6 and 5.5 million, respectively.
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Post by PTH on Mar 13, 2002 13:16:08 GMT -5
Turgeon is another soft player, and we have too many already.
But Turgeon is a productive soft player, who we could afford to surround with grinders, and would give us the same numbers up front, yet give us a better team.
The mass of smallish semi-productive forwards could be thinned out somewhat, and guys with grit brought up...
I'd be for it if it can be done at a reasonable price.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 13, 2002 16:04:59 GMT -5
With the recent acquisition of Malhotra, the Dallas Stars seem to have quite a glut of centres right now. Turgeon and Audette were two signings Dallas made over the summer and we all know how fast Audette was shipped outta there. But like Audette, Turgeon never seemed to find his niche in Dallas, and although he's faired a bit better in recent games, I still think a change of scenery would suit him better. My question is, should Savard try to make a pitch for Turgeon? Gilmour is most likely gone after this season, Perreault has been cold since November, and Juneau is scoring of late but he's still known for his defence. Other than Koivu we seriously lack in creative offensive centres. I think part of the reason that guys like Zednik and Berezin aren't scoring is because there is no one to properly feed them the puck. Berezin has done well with Perreault in the past but that was just for one season. Perreault was slumping before the Berezin acquisition and is still struggling to find his early season form. Berezin is a supposed sniper. I think that he would be much more effective if he had someone feeding him the puck instead of having him try to carry the puck in himself. Even when he was on Toronto I always wondered why Quinn never put Berezin with Sundin. I always thought that Berezin would be much more effective playing with a playmaker like Sundin rather than Perreault. (Instead Quinn put Hoglund on the first line???) Next season a one-two punch of Koivu and Turgeon would do very nicely IMO. It would be the type of move that would add some serious jump to our flailing offence. The centre position is the key to any team's offense. For the Habs to enjoy any type of success, I think that it is crucial for them to find another creative centreman. Besides the only reason we got Perreault this past summer was because Turgeon was already taken, why doesn't Savard look into the situation again? Right now Turgeon's value is not very high, maybe we could dangle a dman and someone like Ribiero to get the ball rolling. Thoughts? Maholtra won't play Center with the Stars.They are going to play him with Turgeon and Lehtinen. I wouldn't mind seeing Turgeon back, but not if it costs a Hainsey, a Komisarek, a Hossa,etc.IF by some miracle, we can get him for guys like Rivet and either Bulis or Zednik, I would go for it. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 13, 2002 16:07:31 GMT -5
guys i'd like to see us get: Guerin, Lapointe, leclair, McCarty, Bertuzzi, those types. We need some size, toughness and grit. We've got enough "turgeons" thanks. But none of these guys are coming to Montreal.Guerin will not sign here(unless some miracle happens),Lapointe is signed long-term with the Bruins, same thing with LeClair in Philly, which McCarthy are you talking about? Darren(I would love to get a guy like him) or Sandy?, Bertuzzi isn't going anywhere(what a goal he scored last night). |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 13, 2002 16:09:40 GMT -5
Not Turgeon. Holik. Repeat after me: Not Turgeon. Holik If you want to be a cannoli, or a cheesecake, then soft up the middle is okay. If you're building a hockey team, or a baseball team, or an office building, you need strength up the middle. It's called a "spine". Holik, Koivu, Juneau, Kilger, Gratton. That's strength up the middle. Turgeon, Koivu, Perreault and Juneau is not nearly as much strength as we need. Repeat after me:I would love to get Holik, but let's be realistic! he is gonna demand a ton of cash and will have the chance to go to any city he wants. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 13, 2002 16:11:56 GMT -5
If you ask me, signing Bobby Holik in the offseason should be the #1 priority of Andre Savard. My only concern, especially given that we struck out last year on the UFA front, is that Holik has no interest in playing for MTL. However (as Bobbi Fleckman stated in This Is Spinal Tap) "money talks, and bullsh*t walks". I would overpay to bring in a guy like Holik, but we're probably talking upwards of $7-8MM per year. If I thought we even had a 50-50 shot at Holik, then I wouldn't bother with Turgeon, esp if the prognosis for Koivu is good. Holy cow, 8 million for Holik?  I remember reading something last week that said he wanted about 6 (right now). |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 13, 2002 16:14:07 GMT -5
Turgeon is another soft player, and we have too many already. But Turgeon is a productive soft player, who we could afford to surround with grinders, and would give us the same numbers up front, yet give us a better team. The mass of smallish semi-productive forwards could be thinned out somewhat, and guys with grit brought up... I'd be for it if it can be done at a reasonable price. That's the difference, sure Pierre will never be 'mr gritty' but at least he is productive and will score more than a point per game if he gets a ton of ice time.Also, call him soft, but he did produce in the playoffs recently. |
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I remember reading something last week that said he wanted about 6 (right now).