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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 5, 2002 17:14:41 GMT -5
I am torn on this one.On one hand,this means Theodore starts against Buffalo and probably against Toronto.2 big games on back-to-back nights.On the other hand,Hackett was terrible against the Bruins back in December just before X-mas.Theodore has played some outstanding games against the Bruins.The Bruins are slumping and will probably come out firing tomorrow.
Or maybe Hackett is being showcased?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 5, 2002 21:18:52 GMT -5
Big mistake IMO. Why take a risk at this point and time? Theo is one of the best goalie in the league right now and we are down the stretch battling for a playoff spot... Hackett had ONE decent game since coming back. We just don't have the room for experiment...
Unless a deal is already on the table and the other party has requested to see Hack on more time to make sure he has recovered, this is simply ridiculous.
The thing that annooys me the most about the Savard/Therrien tandem is their obvious inability to settle on a starting lineup.
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Post by habwest on Mar 5, 2002 23:00:50 GMT -5
You have a point Doc. It is a risk no doubt about it. If Hack plays poorly it costs the Habs points and hurts Savard's ability to move the goalie if that's his intention.
On the other hand, you can make an argument for playing Hackett vs the Bruins:
1) the Bruins are in a bit of a slump. You could argue that they'll be gunning like mad vs the Habs to come out of it but
2) their leader, Joe Thornton, won't play due to his suspension, a real plus. Imagine how happy Juneau will be in not having to shadow that guy.
3) with Theo having played the last two and with the next 3 games being in 4 nights it does make sense to give Theo a break sometime. I notice that when he plays a lot at a stretch he begins to let in the odd soft goal.
4) unless you intend to play Theo for all the remaining games when would it be a good time to play Hackett? See above on soft goals.
5) you could argue Hack should play in Buffalo but that's a "4 point" game so maybe you want your best in there and Theo played very well vs TO last time so...
6) if you want to trade Hackett you have to play him some time to prove to potentially interested buyers (if Savard is now negotiating with one or more) that he's back in form. That one game vs Chicago could be seen as an anomaly and the buyer(s) might want to see him one or more times again to ensure that it wasn't a fluke. I don't think this is unreasonable given Hack's salary and what the potential buyers likely have at stake in the playoffs.
7) if Savard is not yet close to a deal the uncertainties in goal for several contending teams still provides Savard with an opportunity to drum up a hard interest in Hackett and that may be his aim. Again, he's got to play him to do that.
If the decision to play Hack is coming from Savard I don't think that it represents an inability to make up his mind but rather his interest in attempting to improve the club for this year and the future. A calculated risk if you will. And I don't think that is ridiculous.
I guess I represent the point of view that Savard would be remiss in not trying to see if there was an opportunity to trade Hackett to better the club for this year and next.
Besides, I got a feeling that Hackett will play well. He's an old guy and we like to stick together.
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Mar 5, 2002 23:54:54 GMT -5
It's funny that everyone here is still referring to Theodore as the best chance to win and that Hackett is a sure shot to lose. Did we forget that Hackett WON his last outing AND was 1st star? Did we forget that Theodore has only won ONE of his last FIVE starts, against the WORST TEAM in the League. AND he BARELY won it, thanks to Oleg Petrov scoring a shorthanded goal late in the third...
Maybe MT is looking for Hackett to want redemption for the last start against Boston, but then again, can you really blame Hackett for a loss when the offense produces ZERO goals?
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 6, 2002 0:07:46 GMT -5
It's funny that everyone here is still referring to Theodore as the best chance to win and that Hackett is a sure shot to lose. Did we forget that Hackett WON his last outing AND was 1st star? Did we forget that Theodore has only won ONE of his last FIVE starts, against the WORST TEAM in the League. AND he BARELY won it, thanks to Oleg Petrov scoring a shorthanded goal late in the third... Maybe MT is looking for Hackett to want redemption for the last start against Boston, but then again, can you really blame Hackett for a loss when the offense produces ZERO goals? You need a new pair of eyes if you think Theodore is the reason why we lost to Toronto(where he was oustanding),we lost to Detroit(where Traverse coughed up the puck in the neutral zone with 30 seconds to go),lost to Ottawa(where it would have been a big time blowout if he wasn't there) and lost to Carolina(OK,he should have stopped the Malik goal but no way does your boy Jeff make the save Theodore made on Francis when the game was tied).The team has stunk in front of him.Hackett has played 1 good game.Remember when he played 1 good game against Carolina and sucked the next game against Florida?? IF Jeff Hackett stinks the joint tomorrow,it will be ugly.Not only for his trade value,but the fans will be pissed off.The media will make a circus out of this.Something this team doesn't need. |
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Mar 6, 2002 0:34:45 GMT -5
You know, it's funny Marc. When Theodore loses, the team stinks in front of him. When Hackett loses, he's a useless piece of dung who doesn't belong in the NHL.
Might I remind you:
THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME TEAM AND THE SAME PLAYERS IN FRONT OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for needing a new pair of eyes, maybe YOU need glasses. I AM WEARING MINE (and they are definitely not Separatist-tainted)!
I just re-read my post and failed to see where exactly I said that Theodore was the reason we lost. Maybe you can single out that line in a quote, so I can see it with my new eyes? I only said that he lost his 4 previous starts before winning against the worst team in the League. A small fact you will never agree to! Pardon me for quoting what I read from other sportswriters.
Anyhow, enough of that. Obviously YOUR opinion MUST prevail on this board (as your 500+ posts attest). I always respect other people's opinion, EVEN when they are different than mine and I do not, for one, resort to the kind of personal attacks that you so dearly love to do on this board and when you were on HF.
Fine, YOU WIN! Hackett IS a useless waste of bench space.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 6, 2002 1:13:49 GMT -5
How dare you call me a separatist.I am a true Canadian and I think the whole idea of separatism is a joke.I don't judge hockey players on language or politics.
The fact of the matter is,Jose Theodore has been the better goalie since 1999-2000.Look at the numbers,look at the GAA's,etc.Jeff Hackett is still a good NHL goalie(as I have stated a few times on this board),but he has not outplayed Theodore for a very long time and is CLEARLY the backup.Blame the injuries,blame the team he has in front of him.But Theodore has the better numbers.
Theodore is our number 1,he has proved all year long,when you are in a race,you go with your number 1.That is the way I see it.And what personal attacks? did I call a poster an idiot? did I call someone a separatist like you just did to me?
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Post by clear observer on Mar 6, 2002 1:56:10 GMT -5
Calm down fellas...remember, we are on the same team here. ;D
Thanks in advance,
Spiro
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Post by habwest on Mar 6, 2002 3:34:27 GMT -5
Sheesh
I write one of my long winded posts expecting it to get jumped all over, dumped on and generally picked apart. And what happens? I'm ignored. What's a guy got to do to get some attention around here?
Where's HabsAddict when you need him? Come on Doc, make me look silly. Where's my boxing mits? After this I better go find them.
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Mar 6, 2002 3:43:24 GMT -5
Once again, you put words in my mouth. Let me repeat what I said, for your benefit, as you seem to have trouble understanding my english: I am wearing MY glasses and they are not separatist tainted.
As for personal attacks, maybe you should read your reply to me: That I should get new eyes. I think my eyes ARE personal to me (as are my glasses)!
CO, I apologize for the fact that you have to intervene in this. I know that you run a board where we are ALL supposed to have the right to express our opinion in a civil way, but it seems my opinion of Hackett is repulsive to MPLABBE whose opinion has taken over this board. As I said HE wins. Hackett is a useless piece of sh*t. Theodore is GOD and he alone will give us the cup. Gillett will be happy with that. He can get rid of every single player in the organization, saving himself Millions of US$$$$ in player salary. What the hell, Theodore can get him the cup single-handedly and is the only goaltender in the League who can.
MPLABBE has taken over the board, as his # of posts attest, and woe to whoever has a different opinion. They need new eyes, they have no idea what they are talking about, etc, etc, etc... I will try to refrain from posting my repulsive opinions from now on, as they do not seem to be welcomed. I will however keep reading the posts, if that's OK. I used to know a little about hockey, but I guess my knowledge has slipped recently. Maybe reading the posts will enlighten me a little.
Enough said already.
Cheers CO
P.S. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Post by clear observer on Mar 6, 2002 8:56:11 GMT -5
Once again, you put words in my mouth. Let me repeat what I said, for your benefit, as you seem to have trouble understanding my english: I am wearing MY glasses and they are not separatist tainted. As for personal attacks, maybe you should read your reply to me: That I should get new eyes. I think my eyes ARE personal to me (as are my glasses)! CO, I apologize for the fact that you have to intervene in this. I know that you run a board where we are ALL supposed to have the right to express our opinion in a civil way, but it seems my opinion of Hackett is repulsive to MPLABBE whose opinion has taken over this board. As I said HE wins. Hackett is a useless piece of sh*t. Theodore is GOD and he alone will give us the cup. Gillett will be happy with that. He can get rid of every single player in the organization, saving himself Millions of US$$$$ in player salary. What the hell, Theodore can get him the cup single-handedly and is the only goaltender in the League who can. MPLABBE has taken over the board, as his # of posts attest, and woe to whoever has a different opinion. They need new eyes, they have no idea what they are talking about, etc, etc, etc... I will try to refrain from posting my repulsive opinions from now on, as they do not seem to be welcomed. I will however keep reading the posts, if that's OK. I used to know a little about hockey, but I guess my knowledge has slipped recently. Maybe reading the posts will enlighten me a little. Enough said already. Cheers CO P.S. Sorry for the inconvenience. Apology is not necessary, but thank you nonetheless. First off, you need not condemn anyone for their post-count. That's the very thing we encourage. I'm not and won't take sides here but I will state that Marc's postings have consistantly been topical, informative, passionate and interesting since he's joined. As have yours. His presence here, as well as his zealousness, in fact, encourage and illicit MORE posts, traffic and thought. A good thing, no? Tell me, would you adapt the "he's taking over the board" angle if it were BadCompany, HabWest, Doc, HA, JohnnyV, Disgruntled or HFTO with 500+ posts in the bank? I doubt you would. No-one has a "higher-than-thou", "I'm always right and never wrong" attitude more than that lingerie-pushing nut-case BadCompany, but I don't hear or see anyone complaining? I don't know, but it seems to me that you may have a history with Marc that stretches beyond the borders of our domain. If that's the case then please check it at the door. If you feel it necessary in sparring with him then try to remember that we have a "private message" feature. You could also take it "live" in our chat room on the main page. But, I think the best solution is to just simply agree to disagree, and that way feelings will be spared. Your both VERY valuable members of this community and I'd like it to remain that way. There's no right or wrong here, just potential for a bad thing. Let's move on. Thanks again, CO |
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 6, 2002 9:32:03 GMT -5
First off - I'm sorry CO. I apologize in advance for anything I may or may not say. But you know me... I can't let anything go.
Now - not to hop on the Theo bandwagon (I've kinda been critical of him in the past) but the fact of the matter is that he is our best goalie. You can say what you want about the Chicago game, but Theo has pulled the Habs asses out ofthe fire more times then I care to imagine.
And before you bring up "separatist-coloured glasses" - I'm not even Quebecois. So let's not go there.
Now - you said, and I'm using the cool quote button (because I can)
To which I smile and say thanks, but you've just exited from the relm of a solid arguement into one where Corey Schwab is a top notch goaltender (after all - he won HIS last outing AND brought home first star). That arguement right there is nothing but a load of horsefeathers. I'm not saying that Hackett is a waste of bench space, but I'm not about to hand him the starters job because of one mesely game. How many games has he come out not at a hundred percent? How many games has he not been able to hold off the other team? And when you're done with those, answer me how mnay time has Theo won games for us?
More times than Hackett has.
I promise.
Be careful what you say White Knight. People round these parts get easily riled. And they don't much like people who come in and attack their credability with baseless (and in the end really stupid) claims.
Later
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Post by PTH on Mar 6, 2002 10:28:36 GMT -5
Given that Theo's last 2 outings (that I saw) weren't all that stellar, and that Hack seems to be in good shape and showing him off can only be good, I can't really have a problem with this decision...
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 6, 2002 11:07:56 GMT -5
OK,let me get this straight,the goal of a message board is too post the lowest numbers of messages possible?
Look,I prefer replying by writting a few short posts instead of jamming everything into one big one.If you got a problem with that fine,but I am sure others have no problem with it.
As for the separatist attack,sorry,dude,I just get pissed off when I see that word.
Hope,this clears everything up.
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Post by PTH on Mar 6, 2002 11:13:27 GMT -5
Sheesh I write one of my long winded posts expecting it to get jumped all over, dumped on and generally picked apart. And what happens? I'm ignored. What's a guy got to do to get some attention around here? Where's HabsAddict when you need him? Come on Doc, make me look silly. Where's my boxing mits? After this I better go find them. OK, I'll fill in for the other guys. :-) You have a point Doc. It is a risk no doubt about it. If Hack plays poorly it costs the Habs points and hurts Savard's ability to move the goalie if that's his intention. On the other hand, you can make an argument for playing Hackett vs the Bruins: 1) the Bruins are in a bit of a slump. You could argue that they'll be gunning like mad vs the Habs to come out of it but Yup, would make you think Theo would be the better call. Then again, are we trying to win every game ? Maybe the idea is that we have low odds of beating top teams, and should keep our #1 fresh for "beatable" teams. Boston still has plenty of firepower... and a suspension usually makes the other guys work harder... and more line-combinations can make it tough to check everyone, since coaching staff can't identify patterns or anything... His last 2 games, ATL and Ottawa (?) were pretty average.... not terrible goaltending, but not our Theo. The guy might need a kick in the rear to remind him to stay sharp... Maybe on back to back games ? Media-wise it's the "safe" decision that won't lead to too much flak whatever happens. Still, Boston and Toronto are both top teams, why not play Hack against TO instead ? Gotta agree here. With the Weekes deal, things might move fast. Maybe you don't want to wait a few days to show him off. He could wait for the TO game, then... stick to point #6 :-) I agree it's not ridiculous by any means, whoever is making the call. Then I should back Theo, since he's almost exactly my age (something like 6 weeks off) - and actually, I think he should start.... but I can't have much of a problem with Hack under these circumstances (Theo not at his best, possible Hack trade, etc) |
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Mar 6, 2002 11:22:29 GMT -5
Apology is not necessary, but thank you nonetheless. First off, you need not condemn anyone for their post-count. That's the very thing we encourage. I'm not and won't take sides here but I will state that Marc's postings have consistantly been topical, informative, passionate and interesting since he's joined. As have yours. His presence here, as well as his zealousness, in fact, encourage and illicit MORE posts, traffic and thought. A good thing, no? Tell me, would you adapt the "he's taking over the board" angle if it were BadCompany, HabWest, Doc, HA, JohnnyV, Disgruntled or HFTO with 500+ posts in the bank? I doubt you would. No-one has a "higher-than-thou", "I'm always right and never wrong" attitude more than that lingerie-pushing nut-case BadCompany, but I don't hear or see anyone complaining? I don't know, but it seems to me that you may have a history with Marc that stretches beyond the borders of our domain. If that's the case then please check it at the door. If you feel it necessary in sparring with him then try to remember that we have a "private message" feature. You could also take it "live" in our chat room on the main page. But, I think the best solution is to just simply agree to disagree, and that way feelings will be spared. Your both VERY valuable members of this community and I'd like it to remain that way. There's no right or wrong here, just potential for a bad thing. Let's move on. Thanks again, CO FYI CO, No, I do not have a history of sparring with ANYONE on this board, any other board or in real life. I usually enjoy reading and respect other peoples point-of-view. I also would have been happy to agree to disagree if I had been given the chance. However, I was sent to get myself a new pair of eyes by Marc, who's eyes obviously are so much better than mine, as must be his experience and knowledge. He must have been around since the birth of hockey and I cannot compete with that, I was after all only born in 63 as my handle hints at. 1963 that is, not 1863 or else I would have been around for the birth of hockey. :-) Nevertheless, I digress, as always. I do not have a problem with the other people mentioned for the simple reason that they often have other opinions than me, but none have ever discounted my point-of view or anyone else's, nor sent me to get another set of eyes. The Hackett thread are filled with people who want to trade Hackett and none of them sent me packing in any way, shape or form. THAT is why there is a difference between them and MPLABBE. I read his point-of-view, heck, I read it 532+ times on all kinds of subjects and I never told him to go get a new set of eyes or that his point-of-view was invalid. When I didn't agree with his, I either tried to express mine, or left it at that. Always I respected his point-of-view and agreed to disagree. He'd put a post up, I'd put my opinion and that would be that. Of course, he'd have to restate his position, which I had already read, which is where I have a problem with. I read his opinion already. No other poster feels like they have to restate their position. If I put a post up, of course I'll have people who disagree with me and they will express it. However, if I have nothing to add to it, I do not. I do not feel compelled to restate my point-of-view and shove it in their face again. THEY READ IT already. Anyhow, I am here now having to defend my posts/opinions in front of the whole community, so I guess as I said yesterday, enough said. Time to do some reading instead of posting and increase my limited knowledge of hockey, as it seems to be inadequate. Cheers! |
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Post by clear observer on Mar 6, 2002 14:01:12 GMT -5
Now , now WK, I never suggested you had a history of sparring with anyone. Here's a quote:
Also, the only reason I mentioned this was because you yourself made reference to his posting habits from another board which also seem to irritate you.
My bottom line point in all of this is, if someone's posting habits irritates you then you, we, or anyone else for that matter, need to either ignore that poster altogether or discuss it privately through the convenience of private messaging or email. Dragging this out in an open discussion can start to look a bit silly. I know it's difficult (Lord knows I know, I had a doozy-of-one on habsRus about a year ago wide open for all to see. An embarrassing mistake to say the least. Something I'd like not ever repeated. I'm certain you Marc and everyone else can understand.
If there's anything else you'd like to add to this, please do so through PM. I'm going to close out this thread for obvious reasons.
Thanks,
CO
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