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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 11, 2002 22:18:11 GMT -5
OK,I have had it!
What kind of a coach,uses his 5th d-man(Quintal) and arguably his worst d-man(Traverse) in the last 50 seconds of a hockey game against the BEST TEAM IN THE NHL IN A TIED HOCKEY GAME???
Especially when the other team has Shanahan,Fedorov,Chelios and Lidstrom on the ice to end the game.
Therrien is garbage.He sucks.I don't care about any reason you can give me.There is NO FREAKIN way Patrick Traverse should be on the ice PERIOD.Not at the start of the game,not with 30 minutes to go,not with 50 seconds to go,NEVER.And his failed attempt to get the puck out of the neutral zone cost us a HUGE POINT.What a *&%%% decision.IF we miss the playoffs by one point,Therrien should be fired.You can think about this point,the ones we lost because of the ridiculous goaltending controversy(against TB and FLA),etc.
What a big point this would have been.
FIRE THERRIEN!
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Post by Habs25 on Feb 11, 2002 22:23:54 GMT -5
I agree 1005. Where do I sign?
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Post by Habs25 on Feb 11, 2002 22:24:27 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Where do I sign?
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Feb 11, 2002 22:47:36 GMT -5
Well...you're right.
I was listening to the Wings broadcast (can't stand Murray Wilson) and neither the play by play nor the color guy could figure out what Traverse was doing on the ice. At first, they said that Therrien had made a good call taking a timeout with 50 seconds left because that's how important the point was to the Habs, but then when they saw who came out for the faceoff they just couldn't figure it out. And these guys see the Habs two or three times a year! So there you have it. If you read the media guide you could make a better choice than Therrien (and Green?).
To come back like that and earn a point and a chance at second point and then to throw it away like that is just freaking unbelievable. The Wings, who are much better equipped for 5 minutes of 4 0n 4 hockey, weren't in need of storming for the winning goal with a minute left....they just took what was offered and started peppering Theodore. If we'd played it at all properly we'd have the point at least. I'll be interested to see if any of the local media labdogs have the balls to ask Therrien straight out about that move....doubtful.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 12, 2002 0:02:21 GMT -5
I agree. Can you spell R-O-B-I-N-S-O-N.
If Savard sticks with Therrien it could be his first big mistake. Let's plan to get Robinson in next year.
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Post by PTH on Feb 12, 2002 1:07:32 GMT -5
I hate to remind all of you about this, but fact is Therrien doesn't make personnel decisions on his own.... Savard, Carbonneau and Green all have their say.
Traverse is definitely a Savard project for one.
Bouillon is more a Therrien call.
And Robidas is living off his reputation from last season...
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Post by Vichab on Feb 12, 2002 2:13:41 GMT -5
I can't believe this. Even Hasek said after the game that with a minute to go they were hoping to get the tie and take their chances in overtime. With the overtime rule the strategy in the last five minutes of regulation time has changed especially when you're playing against a team out of your conference and you don't care if they get a point. You play to get your point. Bank it and then go for another in OT. To make it to the last minute against the Wings and then call a TO presumably to confirm the strategy of getting the point, calm everyone down, give your best players a rest so they can play the last 50; and to throw out your garbage to play against the elite players of the Wings. INEXCUSABLE! Fire the guy.
Is it my imagination or does this team give up an inordinate amount of goals in the last minute of periods. The one in the 2nd against TO was a killer and last week (I think against the Bruins)they gave one up on - get this - a line change of defencemen with less than 20 seconds to go in the period. That is simply bad coaching and for a team that doesn't have much room for error you can't afford to have a brain dead coach behind the bench. I am really pissed off. This has been a bad day. With Witherspoon falling, Sales and Pelltier being robbed, and losing to the Wings with 14 seconds to go - I'm going to bed!
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Feb 12, 2002 2:14:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick as to put the blame on Savard for the Therrien mess, as HFLA does. Remember, he is President Pierre Boivin's man, same man that signs Andre Savard's paycheck..... As I've previously posted, that puts AS between the proverbial rock and the hard place... Maybe, just maybe, the contract extension was also not AS's idea...
I do agree however that Therrien has to go IF we are to get to the next phase/level.
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Post by Habsolutely on Feb 12, 2002 12:16:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick as to put the blame on Savard for the Therrien mess, as HFLA does. Remember, he is President Pierre Boivin's man, same man that signs Andre Savard's paycheck..... As I've previously posted, that puts AS between the proverbial rock and the hard place... Maybe, just maybe, the contract extension was also not AS's idea... I do agree however that Therrien has to go IF we are to get to the next phase/level. I agree.. it's ridiculous to blame Savard already. It was not André who decided to use Traverse at the end of the game.. and it was certainly not him who benched Dykhuis mid-way in the 2nd period. Therrien and his staff better wake up next time.. they are losing lots of respect.. |
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Feb 12, 2002 13:56:47 GMT -5
I don`t like Therien, he makes bad decisions. Remember against Edmonton. He doesn`t seem too have a plan for game situations, so he goes with who is playing decent game. According to CKAC anouncers Quintal and Traverse where having a decent game (I was at work and could only listen now and then to the game) maybe they where horrible I`m not 100% sure.Robinson if I remember right has said in the past that he is not interested in coaching in Montreal he has horses in Florida and he is right into raising them he also plays polo another one of his passions so I believe he will not return to the coaching ranks.How `bout Ken Hitchcock expensive but good not well like by players but is known for systems.
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Feb 12, 2002 13:56:48 GMT -5
I don`t like Therien, he makes bad decisions. Remember against Edmonton. He doesn`t seem too have a plan for game situations, so he goes with who is playing decent game. According to CKAC anouncers Quintal and Traverse where having a decent game (I was at work and could only listen now and then to the game) maybe they where horrible I`m not 100% sure.Robinson if I remember right has said in the past that he is not interested in coaching in Montreal he has horses in Florida and he is right into raising them he also plays polo another one of his passions so I believe he will not return to the coaching ranks.How `bout Ken Hitchcock expensive but good not well like by players but is known for systems.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 12, 2002 16:06:19 GMT -5
Well...you're right. I was listening to the Wings broadcast (can't stand Murray Wilson) and neither the play by play nor the color guy could figure out what Traverse was doing on the ice. At first, they said that Therrien had made a good call taking a timeout with 50 seconds left because that's how important the point was to the Habs, but then when they saw who came out for the faceoff they just couldn't figure it out. And these guys see the Habs two or three times a year! So there you have it. If you read the media guide you could make a better choice than Therrien (and Green?). <br> To come back like that and earn a point and a chance at second point and then to throw it away like that is just freaking unbelievable. The Wings, who are much better equipped for 5 minutes of 4 0n 4 hockey, weren't in need of storming for the winning goal with a minute left....they just took what was offered and started peppering Theodore. If we'd played it at all properly we'd have the point at least. I'll be interested to see if any of the local media labdogs have the balls to ask Therrien straight out about that move....doubtful. Speaking of Murray Wilson,you will not believe what he said about Traverse. 'he was the most experienced blueliner available on the bench at that time' LMAO!!!!!!!!! Let's see... Karl Dykhuis: www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?0616Craig Rivet: www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?0187Patrick Traverse: www.forecaster.ca/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?0501Let's see 500 NHL games for Dykhuis,300 NHL games for Rivet and 200 for Traverse. What a joke. And he keeps saying Bouillon is a 'young' d-man,heck he is almost 27 years old! |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 12, 2002 16:08:18 GMT -5
I agree. Can you spell R-O-B-I-N-S-O-N. If Savard sticks with Therrien it could be his first big mistake. Let's plan to get Robinson in next year. To put this in a NJ context.It would be like playing TOMMY ALBELIN and MIKE COMMODORE instead of Stevens and Rafalski late in a game.It's ridiculous. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 12, 2002 16:10:59 GMT -5
I hate to remind all of you about this, but fact is Therrien doesn't make personnel decisions on his own.... Savard, Carbonneau and Green all have their say. Traverse is definitely a Savard project for one. Bouillon is more a Therrien call. And Robidas is living off his reputation from last season... So what,that doesn't change the fact Therrien decided to use Traverse.You could see him during the Timeout called by the Wings giving Traverse the 'go' sign and giving him instructions.When I saw that,I was like:'OMFG,what the hell is he doing?'...turns out I was right.I don't think Savard called from the pressbox to urge Therrien to play Traverse. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 12, 2002 16:15:16 GMT -5
I don`t like Therien, he makes bad decisions. Remember against Edmonton. He doesn`t seem too have a plan for game situations, so he goes with who is playing decent game. According to CKAC anouncers Quintal and Traverse where having a decent game (I was at work and could only listen now and then to the game) maybe they where horrible I`m not 100% sure.Robinson if I remember right has said in the past that he is not interested in coaching in Montreal he has horses in Florida and he is right into raising them he also plays polo another one of his passions so I believe he will not return to the coaching ranks.How `bout Ken Hitchcock expensive but good not well like by players but is known for systems. God,that game against Edmonton.Traverse played like 25 minutes that night and when the Oilers were putting the pressure on us,Therrien just sat there with his 'dear in the headlights' look,where was the timeout? where was the tantrum? unbelievable. Quintal was playing a good game and Traverse was playing a mediocre game.Traverse was absolutely shaky in the 1st half of the game(there was a play where he just made a backhanded pass from the faceoff circle to the behind of the net to absolutely nobody,it was horrible),he was better after but still pretty bad. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 12, 2002 22:33:40 GMT -5
I'm not blaming Savard for choosing Therrien or for extending his contract. I will blame him if he keeps going with Therrien after it's been clearly demonstrated that it isn't working. This is Mr. Robinson's neighborhood. Next year is soon enough, but as we all agree, Therrien must go. I can't see why we still are saddled with Boivin. Unless Gilett is looking for another buyer, I don't know why Boivin, (Man from Molson's) is still there. Maybe he wants to bring back Houle if some other smart team doesn't snap him up first???
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