Is Patrick Marleau available???

[Boston_Habs]

I would love to try to snag Patrick Marleau from the Sharks. San Jose is in first place in the Pacific division, but I think they could use some more scoring punch to make things interesting for them. Marleau has not been a factor this year. So how about unloading some of our smurfs (perhaps the Perreault/Berezin dynamic duo) to land the big centre we so desperately need.

I know it's been brought up before, but it seems like there is a good fit between the two teams. Any thoughts??

[The New Guy]

Let's see...

Trade our number two centre who is, if nothing else, the best face off man in the league (oh yeah, did I mention his playmaking ability and his strong wrist shot) AND a fast skating offensive winger who can pot twenty goals on average not to mention add an offensive threat to our team for a medicore, underperforming "big" centre who plays like he's a smurf anyways.

Not only does this trade not help us in any way, it hurts us deeply.  We lose two prime offensive threats and pick up another project - albeit a decent one for a couple years down the road.  If you want a big centre talk to Dudley about Vinnie L.

Later

[NHLcrazy]

You will never land Marleau for two older guys with limited potential. The guy his fairly young (23 yrs old) and has proven already his offensive skills. This year he's underachieving but if i was the shark's management i'd be patient cause he could explode in the next few years and become a steady 30-35 goal sniper an 70 points scorer.

So for Marleau i'd give up Zednik and Hossa....

[Habdul]

They need a centre.

And, I wouldn't give Zednik and Hossa for Marleau. The guy has zero heart. Under a firm hand like Sutters, he folded like a cheap tent. He's got a measly 19 pts in 42 games this year.

[Boston_Habs]

I would give up Zednik and Hossa for Marleau in a second. It depends on what the Sharks want: current NHL talent, prospects, or a mix of both. My general point is that if SJ wants to add some scoring punch for a title run this year, I think we can offer some decent players in the form of guys like Perreault, Berezin, Zednik, Bulis, and Petrov.

[NHLcrazy]

hey Boston_habs....Perreault has a no trade clause in his new contract, Berezin is 1 year away of being a UFA and petrov because of his size and age has not much value. SO basicaly SJ would only want quality prospects (Hossa, Balej, perezhogin,Milroy...) and/or young and proven players like Zednik, Kilger and maybe Bulis.

[Ryan]

I'd pass on Marleau for now.  His upside is intriguing, but right now Zed looks like he'll be a primetime sniper and there's no need to deal away Hossa for an unknown quantity.

We've kind of passed the experimental stage.  If we're dealing away prospects now, I want a known quantity in return like Grier or Laraque for example.

[MPLABBE]

I would definintely try to land Marleau.You have to get guys like this(if it is possible) before they bust out.

[Vichab]

Sorry boys but Zednik and Hossa for Marleau is simply not on. I have no doubt that SJ would jump at that deal. A guy whose not helping them now for a guy who could help immediately and a guy who will help in the future.

Zednik has developed exactly as anyone would have hoped when we got him and is only getting stronger while Hossa was a top draft pick who has progressed faster than we could have predicted. The odds are that one of these guys will blossom into a star player and maybe both will. Why give both of them up for a guy who has not developed to his potential nor shown any signs? Marleau strikes me as another Kilger - the guy may turn out but no one would be surprised if he did not. I'll keep what I got - thanks.

[Pam]

Unless I miss my guess, Alex Korolyuk, Teemu Selanne and Patrick Marleau are all trade bait.

A few weeks ago, Lombardi said they are a couple of players away from a serious run past Round 2 and he means to do something about it. That means he will want some players who will be able to help this season versus players who would help in the future. John Ferguson has been to two Leafs games so far that I know of. In October just after I got home and then again in December. Jim Ralph interviewed him during one of the Intermissions at each game (radio broadcast over mojoradio.com). I think he may have been in Toronto at least one other time besides that, so maybe he was scouting Toronto this time.

Korolyuk is a pretty good player but until just recently Sutter wasn't playing him. The Sharks have had such a good team this season there was no place for Alex. I think maybe Alex is being showcased, but my guess he would be best in Chicago. Mike Smith loves Russians, so he would fit in there.

Teemu Selanne should go to Toronto. Put him either on Sundin's line or on 2nd line. Teemu didn't get bad over night. I truly believe Teemu's only problem is he can't play the style of hockey Sutter uses. I think he would become the Teemu we remember if he was in a different system. I would love Alyn McCauley in return for that one.

Patty. What can I say about him. He was 17 when he came up if I remember right. Too young, too immature. Patty has always been sporatic, but he's gotten worse along the way under Sutter. I think Patty could develop into a good player with a change of scenery. Maybe Montreal would be the place to set him on fire. I would be glad to get Yanic, or Yanic and Berezin in return for Patty and someone else.

I would be in heaven if I had Alyn McCauley, Yanic Perreault and Sergei Berezin in San Jose!!! ;D Yeah I know it won't happen, but a girl can dream can't she. Heck, if I had Alyn here, I would be in heaven. Felix in LA and Alyn here.  ;D Two of my very favorite Leafs.

[MPLABBE]

Pam,are you kidding me??? Alyn McCauley for Teemu Sellane?   why are you trying to help the Leafs for crying out loud.

[habits]

Good thought..
Who could we  package up to  get  Marleau and  Selanne? No, we are not going to trade Perrault or Berezin. What a silly idea.
Hackett would be in there I'm sure, maybe Souray? Kilger?
Just ideas. Dont  jump all over me. LOL
Thoughts?
If not  Marleau, then who. Another  Scorer  would  be good, maybe a defensemen.
If Playoffs  started  today, we 'd get  BAHHHSTon. Ughhhh. LOL

Cheers.

habits

[Pam]

MPLABBE said:

Pam,are you kidding me??? Alyn McCauley for Teemu Sellane?   why are you trying to help the Leafs for crying out loud.

LOL!! You know I'm a Leafs fan first above everything. I bleed Blue and White. Of course I'm trying to help the Leafs!!!  ;D Alyn has been my favorite Leaf since Felix was traded, so if I can help Toronto out and get Alyn here in San Jose instead of some rinky dink team like TBay or Florida, or even the Islanders (I know they aren't rinky dink this season), I would do anything to get him here. Besides, Teemu needs to go to a team where he can play his game.

I was offering Patty Marleau to you guys. I think he would be okay on the Habs.

[MPLABBE]

Pam said:

LOL!! You know I'm a Leafs fan first above everything. I bleed Blue and White. Of course I'm trying to help the Leafs!!!  ;D Alyn has been my favorite Leaf since Felix was traded, so if I can help Toronto out and get Alyn here in San Jose instead of some rinky dink team like TBay or Florida, or even the Islanders (I know they aren't rinky dink this season), I would do anything to get him here. Besides, Teemu needs to go to a team where he can play his game.

I was offering Patty Marleau to you guys. I think he would be okay on the Habs.

Hey,just remember any 'let's help the Leafs' trade proposal is not well received here ;D

As for Marleau,I see he scored last night,I really think he needs to get out of SJ...Sutter is just suffocating these guys.Unless,Sutter gets the boot if they fail to win in the playoffs,I expect Marleau gone by the start of next year.

[Pam]

MPLABBE said:

Hey,just remember any 'let's help the Leafs' trade proposal is not well received here ;D

As for Marleau,I see he scored last night,I really think he needs to get out of SJ...Sutter is just suffocating these guys.Unless,Sutter gets the boot if they fail to win in the playoffs,I expect Marleau gone by the start of next year.

LOL!! I like you.   It's neat how you guys put up with me.  

As for Marleau, well I'm going to put a "Showcasing Sharks" string up. I have my opinion. It may be wrong but it is sort of what I'm hearing around.

[MPLABBE]

Pam said:

LOL!! I like you.   It's neat how you guys put up with me.  

As for Marleau, well I'm going to put a "Showcasing Sharks" string up. I have my opinion. It may be wrong but it is sort of what I'm hearing around.

Thanks

I also think SJ is looking to showcase Marleau...I keep thinking of a Marleau for Marc Savard deal.Savard will produce more now for the Sharks and is a solid #2 center and he is still 24-25.While Marleau goes to Calgary,plays with Iginla and hopefully we can finally see him put up the numbers he can put up.

[Pam]

MPLABBE said:

Thanks

I also think SJ is looking to showcase Marleau...I keep thinking of a Marleau for Marc Savard deal.Savard will produce more now for the Sharks and is a solid #2 center and he is still 24-25.While Marleau goes to Calgary,plays with Iginla and hopefully we can finally see him put up the numbers he can put up.

You're welcome.  

Calgary can keep Savard. From all I'm hearing about him, he's a problem. San Jose doesn't need that.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Younger, BIGGER, fasssssssssssssssssssssster.
We only make trades that get us all three. Balej and Hossa will be stars of the future. They can have Zednik, or one of our Boullion, Brisebois, or Savage. Oops, even though Savy is gone I'm still trying to get rid of him. Can't break old habits. For the first time I'd keep Theo as the #1 goaltender. I can admit when I'm wrong about Theo. I gave up on him long ago before this breakout year and I see how much he has developed.

[GNick]

Good post Pam! I wonder if SJ is looking for some goaltending help? Their goaltender looked awful shaky in Montreal the other week. Let in a couple of soft ones(Berezin's 10,000). Could they use a Jeff Hackett?

I was thinking about Hackett/Souray and maybe a decent prospect like Balej for Selanne?

Habs get a front line player who can help out in the goal scoring department. Even if we can't sign Selanne this summer we would get a second rounder as compensation(this would replace the depth on the farm for the loss of Balej). The Sharks get help in net and on the blueline along with a decent prospect.

[Pam]

GNick said:

Good post Pam! I wonder if SJ is looking for some goaltending help? Their goaltender looked awful shaky in Montreal the other week. Let in a couple of soft ones(Berezin's 10,000). Could they use a Jeff Hackett?

I was thinking about Hackett/Souray and maybe a decent prospect like Balej for Selanne?

Habs get a front line player who can help out in the goal scoring department. Even if we can't sign Selanne this summer we would get a second rounder as compensation(this would replace the depth on the farm for the loss of Balej). The Sharks get help in net and on the blueline along with a decent prospect.

Thank you Gnick!! It makes me very happy when people think I make a good post. You see, in comparison to Canadians, I'm a baby in the hockey world, unless the Canadian is less than 7 years old.

Nah, SJ doesn't need a goalie or a backup goalie. You've heard about Goalie slumps. Well that's what happened to our goalie and the team.  You should have seen Nabby last night. He was awesome. Kipper is good too, but he doesn't get enough icetime to keep hot. SJ has several good goalies in the AHL too.

Since the Sharks lost in Montreal, I was happy it was to the Habs "Leafs line." Perreault and Gilmour with the assists to Berezin with the GWG.  

I want Berezin and Perreault in SJ!! I would love Alyn McCauley here too, but Toronto has to give him to SJ.  ;D

[MPLABBE]

Pam said:

You're welcome.  

Calgary can keep Savard. From all I'm hearing about him, he's a problem. San Jose doesn't need that.

Well,this is funny,because all we hear about Marleau is that he is also a problem and has no heart.

Savard was injured at the start of the year after lighting it up in the first 4 games.When he came back,Conroy took his place with Iginla and was on fire.So they kept Iggy and Conroy together,but Savard was forced to play with such offensive dynamos like Ronald Petrovicky,Chris Clark and Dave Lowry.Which led to Savard asking for a trade.Ever since he has been re-united with Iggy,he has been much better.

[MPLABBE]

GNick said:

Good post Pam! I wonder if SJ is looking for some goaltending help? Their goaltender looked awful shaky in Montreal the other week. Let in a couple of soft ones(Berezin's 10,000). Could they use a Jeff Hackett?

I was thinking about Hackett/Souray and maybe a decent prospect like Balej for Selanne?

Habs get a front line player who can help out in the goal scoring department. Even if we can't sign Selanne this summer we would get a second rounder as compensation(this would replace the depth on the farm for the loss of Balej). The Sharks get help in net and on the blueline along with a decent prospect.

I don't know why Habs fans keep hoping,by some miracle, a contending team will want Hackett when that team has, last year's Calder trophy winner,a pretty good young backup and more good depth in the AHL(Vesa Toskala).On top of that,Hackett a #5 d-man(who SJ doesn't need) and a junior player for a superstar.

Face it folks,Jeff Hackett has close to ZERO value.He isn't playing,he is injury prone and is making a ton of cash.And have you seen his playoff record? or lack there of?

[Pam]

MPLABBE said:

Well,this is funny,because all we hear about Marleau is that he is also a problem and has no heart.

Marleau isn't a problem. Whoever said that was wrong about him. Marleau is just streaky. He isn't consistent. SJ keeps trying to work with him so he'll be consistent but it hasn't worked so far. Part of it might be Patty and part of it might be Sutter and the system he uses here. As far as not having any heart, I haven't seen that. He might not be as good as he should be but you should see him light up when he gets a goal. You couldn't see any happier young man if you tried. The way he lights up is indication of heart. BTW, Patty got a goal tonight in the first period then he got a PP goal in the third period.

I would still like to pass on Savard to SJ. Sorry about that.

I did a "Sharks being showcased" post last night. I've been away long enough that I forgot about the Character limitation. After 30 minutes of composing a post, I hit post and got the famous error message of "Post too long." Ugh!! It was lost. I decided to pass instead of trying again. I might try again tomorrow (Monday). If I do, it will be in 2 parts so I won't lose it again. That lost information is the only drawback to HabsRus. On most boards if you go back you can get your data back and repost it, in 2 parts if necessary. Too bad this board design doesn't allow that for us. I don't think I'll forget again.

(If you know that you are going to write a long post, write it on in MS Word or equivalent, save it, and then post. Plus you will have a built in spellchecker. When you are finished, delete the file from Word. When I edit someones post (like Seventeens recently), I copy and past it in Word, rework it and then paste it back into the post. Safest way. HA)

[Pam]

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MPLABBE said:

I don't know why Habs fans keep hoping,by some miracle, a contending team will want Hackett when that team has, last year's Calder trophy winner,a pretty good young backup and more good depth in the AHL(Vesa Toskala).On top of that,Hackett a #5 d-man(who SJ doesn't need) and a junior player for a superstar.

I'm used to this. Habs fans aren't the only fans who try to send another goalie to SJ, but I think Habs fans do lead the pack on tries.  

You're right, SJ doesn't need any goalies. The only reason they could trade away Hedberg at the deadline last season was due to how many good goalies the Sharks have in their system. Nabby as #1, Kipper as a strong backup and really too good a goalie to be wasted in the backup role, Toskala on the Cleveland Barons (formerly Kentucky Blades), plus some others as well. SJ is set for goalies for a long time. The only 3 players I see as potential trade material are Teemu, Patty and Alex. Possibly a fourth in Stephane. He was in the doghouse and has not been playing lately. I'l go so far as to say I think Nabby is a better goalie than Cujo. He was in a slump on the roadtrip along with the rest of the team, until they hit Pittsburgh, but they are all hot again and Nabby has been awesome.

[GNick]

My proposal wasn't intentional. I didn't mean to spark a tirade like that. I wonder if they allow Mr. Junta a computer in prison??

[Pam]

GNick said:

My proposal wasn't intentional. I didn't mean to spark a tirade like that. I wonder if they allow Mr. Junta a computer in prison??

GNick, I quite enjoyed being able to participate in this discussion. Sometimes it is hard for me to participate in the discussions given that I am on the West Coast and only like the Habs after my other two teams. It finally gave me something I could really get into. I'm glad you did begin it.  

[MPLABBE]

Pam said:

Marleau isn't a problem. Whoever said that was wrong about him. Marleau is just streaky. He isn't consistent. SJ keeps trying to work with him so he'll be consistent but it hasn't worked so far. Part of it might be Patty and part of it might be Sutter and the system he uses here. As far as not having any heart, I haven't seen that. He might not be as good as he should be but you should see him light up when he gets a goal. You couldn't see any happier young man if you tried. The way he lights up is indication of heart. BTW, Patty got a goal tonight in the first period then he got a PP goal in the third period.

I would still like to pass on Savard to SJ. Sorry about that.

I did a "Sharks being showcased" post last night. I've been away long enough that I forgot about the Character limitation. After 30 minutes of composing a post, I hit post and got the famous error message of "Post too long." Ugh!! It was lost. I decided to pass instead of trying again. I might try again tomorrow (Monday). If I do, it will be in 2 parts so I won't lose it again. That lost information is the only drawback to HabsRus. On most boards if you go back you can get your data back and repost it, in 2 parts if necessary. Too bad this board design doesn't allow that for us. I don't think I'll forget again.

(If you know that you are going to write a long post, write it on in MS Word or equivalent, save it, and then post. Plus you will have a built in spellchecker. When you are finished, delete the file from Word. When I edit someones post (like Seventeens recently), I copy and past it in Word, rework it and then paste it back into the post. Safest way. HA)

Holy smokes,I saw Marleau's 1st goal and wow what a release.

[MPLABBE]

Pam said:

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I'm used to this. Habs fans aren't the only fans who try to send another goalie to SJ, but I think Habs fans do lead the pack on tries.  

You're right, SJ doesn't need any goalies. The only reason they could trade away Hedberg at the deadline last season was due to how many good goalies the Sharks have in their system. Nabby as #1, Kipper as a strong backup and really too good a goalie to be wasted in the backup role, Toskala on the Cleveland Barons (formerly Kentucky Blades), plus some others as well. SJ is set for goalies for a long time. The only 3 players I see as potential trade material are Teemu, Patty and Alex. Possibly a fourth in Stephane. He was in the doghouse and has not been playing lately. I'l go so far as to say I think Nabby is a better goalie than Cujo. He was in a slump on the roadtrip along with the rest of the team, until they hit Pittsburgh, but they are all hot again and Nabby has been awesome.

I see that Sutter has(finally!) decided to put Nolan and Damphouse back together,along with Sturm(remember when Nolan was awesome 2 years ago? he played with Friesen and Vinny...Sturm is alot like Friesen,both have great speed.Now,if only the Sharks would use Nolan on the left side of the PP,like Pitt does with Mario,their PP would be deadly.Nolan has a rocket)And he has also decided to stop playing Mark Smith and Matt Bradley instead of a very talented young player like Koroliuk.He has assembled a Koroliuk-Marleau-Sellane line.About time.Sharks are a much better team when they have 2 offensive lines going and their awesome 3rd line.