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Post by Johnny Verdun on Feb 2, 2002 20:11:25 GMT -5
Gilmour will probably not be back next year. An already bad situation will be exacerbated even if Koivu comes back strong. We have no major talent in the pipe at center. Chouinard? Not by a country mile. Hossa? Will end up on the wing. Ribeiro? Small, slow and weak (saw him interviewed in a t-shirt the other day and he makes Kate Moss look beefy). Bulis? Doesn't want the job and works better on the wing. Perreault? Well-suited to the number three spot on a team where Juneau centers the fourth line and where the fourth line gets real minutes on a regular basis (how does Kilger/Juneau/Asham stack up as a fourth? Pretty damn well IMO. The big dominant center is what we need. With Koivu at number 2 we'd look a lot better in a heartbeat. And there just happens to be one available who's not a pending UFA. You guessed it, the Vinny rumors are back and I'm starting them. He's available no matter what Dudley says. They'd want NHL talent back and that's not our strong suit, but if we compensate enough we could make a competitive offer. This is what I propose (and I swear I'd do it):
To Montreal: Vincent Lecavalier
To Tampa Bay: Richard Zednik, Andrei Markov, Sheldon Souray and Montreal's first round picks in 2002, 2003 and 2004.
I'd do it. I swear. The only question is whether that kind of an offer would be at all attractive compared to what Colorado, New Jersey and others would be able to put together. I think probably not. Therefore, we should be prepared to do this instead:
To Montreal: Vincent Lecavalier
To Tampa Bay: Yanic Perreault, Richard Zednik, Andrei Markov, Mike Ribeiro and our first round picks in 2002 and 2003.
When Koivu comes back, we look like this:
Bulis/Lecavalier/Audette
Berezin/Koivu/Petrov
Hossa/Juneau/Dackell
Odjick/Kilger/Asham
We really, really need this. Believe me.
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Post by Hab_Nut on Feb 2, 2002 20:57:02 GMT -5
Moderators, please get Johnny Verdun a gurney and a splint. He has taken to much Spanish Fly.
I think I just saw him so excited that he posted that he wants to trade 6 players for an unproven, so called Superstar and paid more for him then Andre Savard would pay for Kovolchuk. SIX PLAYERS for a guy who may, perhaps, possibly, theoretically, has the capability, almost for sure, highly likely, may be a Star. Then again he may be a first liner at best.
I have one question, before I go out and get as drunk as a skunk and ball my eyes out. What makes you think that Prince Lacavalier is that good a player? This would be the highest price payed, short of the Lindros deal, for 1 player.
Tell me that you posted this in order to shock us?
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 2, 2002 20:57:44 GMT -5
It's a nice package but certain teams will top that by a mile.Can you imagine NJ offering Arnott,Berglund and Commodore for Vinny? can you imagine Colorado offering Drury,Vrbata and a good prospect for Vinny? I sure can.
Look,I love Vinny.He is only 21 and will one day have a season like Thornton is having,Vinny has been playing much better recently and one day he will be among the best players in the game.
And that is when he should be coming to Montreal,not now,not next year,maybe not the year after.But when he is a proven NHL star and a guy who can carry a team on his back.
As for the big center,it's a HUGE need.I will say it again,HUGE!!! I know some people want Dougie back for 2002,but that can't happen.He was signed to replace Koivu this year.Can you imagine having Koivu,Gilmour,Perreault,Juneau and Ribeiro down the middle??? that is scary.
Ace has done a great job with this team,but we are just too small down the middle to compete in the Eastern Conference.Before we go ANYWHERE in the playoffs,we need to get bigger.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 2, 2002 21:01:43 GMT -5
I have one question, before I go out and get as drunk as a skunk and ball my eyes out. What makes you think that Prince Lacavalier is that good a player? This would be the highest price payed, short of the Lindros deal, for 1 player. Tell me that you posted this in order to shock us? 21 years old,6'4',world class skills,will still fill out,had a 60 point season as a 19 YEAR OLD,good attitude and has leadership skills,what is not to like??? who cares what he did this year,he missed camp,has played with mediocre players,etc.If he is so bad,why do the best organizations in hockey(Colorado,NJ,Ottawa) want him so baddly? |
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Post by Hab_Nut on Feb 2, 2002 21:11:38 GMT -5
Lacavalier Love is a well known habitosis virus that has Hab's fans believing that they are witnessing more then they actually see.  Large doses of of the antiviral made by Reality Check Inc. may stop this mind altering disease. Please consult your local hockey clinic to get a prerscription.  So far, Lacavalier is a Superstar in ours and his mind. But not on the ice. He has shown second line material so far.  Think of the disaster if this so called Superstar flops. The Hab's would be set back 3 years. One every four hours. |
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Feb 2, 2002 21:33:07 GMT -5
I'm with MPLabbe. Lecavalier is a major, major talent waiting to break out. He's like a fish out of water down there. He showed, in this league, in the NHL, as a rookie no less, what he's capable of. He's languished since then but we are not talking about someone who put up huge numbers in Hull four years ago and hasn't done it since or in the big show. He has what it takes. And if he has his (second) breakout season anywhere but here it will be too late. The price will go through the roof.
As for the offer, Zednik is a nice player, but he's lacking the natural finish he needs to be a real goal scorer. He might get 25 a year for a few years and that's nothing to sneeze at in this league nowadays, but he's not capable of transforming a line or making anyone around him better.
Markov could end up being a fairly valuable player but we will do fine without him, no question in my mind. Anybody who's seen Hainsey move the puck and skate knows that he's got PP QB tatooed on the inside of his cranium. He's the future.
Who else? Perreault. A nice player also but, again, a nifty second line center who has trouble on the road, trouble with physical teams and trouble (historically) in the playoffs. He's not the answer at the second line center spot -- Koivu is, may the great power preserve him. If Perreault were part of a package to bring Vinny to town, he'd understand.
Ribeiro, or Souray? Please. These guys are not the kind of players you plan a future around. Of the two, I still think Souray will be the more useful player 5 years from now, but I wouldn't hesitate to part with him.
If Kilger had to go too, it would be a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but life would go on. I'd like to keep Kilger.
As for two (or even three) first round picks, what can I say? Even Savard would be hardpressed to turn up a gem in the range of the 16th pick overall. If he's that good, he'll make us proud with second and third rounders like he did this year. By the time Tampa's done picking in 2004, Lecavalier will more than likely be a major star, in his prime, with 5 or more good years left in him.
It's worth it. No team will go anywhere without one or two of these kinds of players. We have none right now. Theodore is showing signs of being a great goalie, but strength in goal needs strength continuing up the middle. Starting at center. If I thought we had a reasonable shot at a major league first center in the FA market, it might be different. We couldn't get Turgeon to come home. Holik will never come here. Neither, probably,will a player like Guerin. We need to overpay. So take your Atavan, or your Prozac if necessary, and get used to rooting for a real stud, instead of the modified dachshund's we've been betting....
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 2, 2002 21:47:19 GMT -5
I'm with MPLabbe. Lecavalier is a major, major talent waiting to break out. He's like a fish out of water down there. He showed, in this league, in the NHL, as a rookie no less, what he's capable of. He's languished since then but we are not talking about someone who put up huge numbers in Hull four years ago and hasn't done it since or in the big show. He has what it takes. And if he has his (second) breakout season anywhere but here it will be too late. The price will go through the roof. <br> As for the offer, Zednik is a nice player, but he's lacking the natural finish he needs to be a real goal scorer. He might get 25 a year for a few years and that's nothing to sneeze at in this league nowadays, but he's not capable of transforming a line or making anyone around him better. <br> Markov could end up being a fairly valuable player but we will do fine without him, no question in my mind. Anybody who's seen Hainsey move the puck and skate knows that he's got PP QB tatooed on the inside of his cranium. He's the future. Who else? Perreault. A nice player also but, again, a nifty second line center who has trouble on the road, trouble with physical teams and trouble (historically) in the playoffs. He's not the answer at the second line center spot -- Koivu is, may the great power preserve him. If Perreault were part of a package to bring Vinny to town, he'd understand. Ribeiro, or Souray? Please. These guys are not the kind of players you plan a future around. Of the two, I still think Souray will be the more useful player 5 years from now, but I wouldn't hesitate to part with him. If Kilger had to go too, it would be a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but life would go on. I'd like to keep Kilger. As for two (or even three) first round picks, what can I say? Even Savard would be hardpressed to turn up a gem in the range of the 16th pick overall. If he's that good, he'll make us proud with second and third rounders like he did this year. By the time Tampa's done picking in 2004, Lecavalier will more than likely be a major star, in his prime, with 5 or more good years left in him. <br> It's worth it. No team will go anywhere without one or two of these kinds of players. We have none right now. Theodore is showing signs of being a great goalie, but strength in goal needs strength continuing up the middle. Starting at center. If I thought we had a reasonable shot at a major league first center in the FA market, it might be different. We couldn't get Turgeon to come home. Holik will never come here. Neither, probably,will a player like Guerin. We need to overpay. So take your Atavan, or your Prozac if necessary, and get used to rooting for a real stud, instead of the modified dachshund's we've been betting.... Well,Vinny didn't play in Hull,he played in Rimouski with Brad Richards. But,I stilll don't think your offer is good enough.I don't think TB wants draft picks,because they know we will be better with Vinny and by 2004,we could be among the best teams in the league.So picking around 20th-30th is not very interesting. As for Hainsey,I am not convinced he is a future PP QB.I have seen him play once(2001 WJC...USA vs Canada) and he was solid,but not a Rob Blake kind of QB PP.He may have improved since then,though. |
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Post by Johnny Verdun on Feb 2, 2002 22:06:47 GMT -5
Rimouski. Right.
TB not interested in picks? Right. You're probably right again. Maybe one or two at most. If you loaded up the boat you might be able to make it.
Zednik, Perreault, Souray, Markov, Kilger and a first. For Lecavalier and a second. What about that? They'd pick about 15th this year and maybe 17th next year. I could live with that.
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Post by Hab_Nut on Feb 2, 2002 23:55:45 GMT -5
Ohh, for the love of my two eyes with glasses. You guys don't have a virus, you have a damn alien growing inside you. In the icky, scary, pop out of the guts and what do you have? You have a Lacavalier clone! Please, please get this moving entity of Lacavalier Love destroyed before it pops and multiplies. Before long, the whole board will be parading arm in arm, singing the praises of the Prince. How am I going to stop this and save humanity? Please tell me what makes you think he is going to be this SUPERSTAR? What has he done? Other then cry like a two year old when coachy pattted his little behind a little to hard. Baaad coachy! Oh, the superstar numbers, lets see: ------------------------- 1998-99 82 13 15 28 23 <br>1999-00 80 25 42 67 43 <br>2000-01 68 23 28 51 66 <br>2001-02 51 11 14 25 19 "Look mommy, no superstar here" says the little Nut. And the crowd rises to applause. ----------------------- 1996-97 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 64 42 60 102 36 1997-98 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 58 44 71 115 117 "Nothing here either mommy" yelps the little Nut. More applause. ------------------------ 1991-92 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 66 35 75 110 <br>1992-93 Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 53 45 92 137 "Look mommy, see what Daigle the Career Bagel did" Hush of fell over the crowd. ------------------------- 1996-97 Ottawa Senators NHL 82 26 25 51 33 "Look ma, more proof" The crowd started chanting "Nuts right, Nuts right" ----------------------------- Now the question remains, if I have two Nuts worth of proof, am I a better man? 8) Show me the proof that deserves the wonder. Or is he just like a begal, all nice and tasty on the outside but empty in the middle. I say we bring the Doc to do that horribly painful Lacavalieroctomy. Trust me, you will have better $ex afterwards. |
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Post by PTH on Feb 3, 2002 1:06:45 GMT -5
Yup, you're crazy.
Habs need a premium-type player, so what do we do ?
Sell the farm for a 22 year old who has shown a bit of potential, but nothing all that special, yet who has trade value beyond reason because of all the hype around him. Doesn't seem all that interesting to me.
If we went for a top player it should be someone whose value is at an all-time low - some kid like Marleau and we then pray he develops. Or go for an underacheiving superstar who needs a change of pace.
Going for an over-hyped guy who might never be anymore more than Damphousse was just isn't the way to go (and that's not the nightmare scenario!!), not at the asking price TB will have.
This is like some shy, desperate loser going for the gorgeous babe (I used a harsher B-word originally by the script changed it to "pregnant dog") at the bar - she's got everyone after her (a lot of offers, so yours had better be sweet), seems very attractive, but when you think about it she doesn't have all that much to offer, despite the hype - the boobs are a padded bra, the eyes are contact lenses, the sweet voice voice ain't so sweet when she's bitching at you, etc. You're better off going for the slightly less cute but still real sweet girl in the corner.
If you want to go for the hot babe, you give it a once simple try and if your initial proposition isn't enough you forget it, or else you pick up a few other babes and once you have confidence and no unfulfilled needs, then you have a lot more to offer.
Ie - Call TB, put in an offer for Lecavalier'sreal value, get turned down, and don't think about Vinny until the Habs have a better player or 2, and aren't so desperate.
IE - Lecavalier has more value due to hype than any other player, and simply doesn't seem to be worth it. Go for the cheaper option or several small quantum upgrades. We have newfound depth, let's not waste it was some kid who hasn't put up the numbers.
Oh - and dealing Perrault, or any other UFA, is reall a bad call, especially when they are brand new on the team. No one else will want to sign here afterwards. I think Perrault has a no-trade clause anyhow.
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Feb 3, 2002 1:20:56 GMT -5
I am with you on that, Hab_Nut. Although it would be nice if Lecavalier was the second coming of Lemieux, he could just as easily turn out to be Daigle-ish instead. That fear alone is enough for me not to want Savard to make a pitch that would jeopardize our future. We've done that numerous times in the last 15 years and we do not need to go down that road again. Especially now that we are making positive progress.
Unfortunately, part of the Lecavalier hysteria (or the main reason) is because he is French. You don't hear these people yapping about bringing guys like Chris Drury, Milan Hejduk, Martin Havlat, Brad Richards or Marian Gaborik, to name a few...
Heck, Brad Richards led TB last year, therefore outscoring Lecavalier who was third. This year AGAIN, Brad Richards (2nd) is outscoring Lecavalier (5th).
They also complained about the THIRD round draft pick included in the Berezin deal, but are willing to give up THREE first rounders for Lecavalier. On top of those picks, they want to give away half the team. So, who will be left to play with Lecavalier? They are going on the basis that Koivu AND Audette will
a) come back
B) be as effective as they were before their injury/cancer.
Pretty big assumptions to mortgage your future on...
JV, You wrote:
"Even Savard would be hardpressed to turn up a gem in the range of the 16th pick overall. If he's that good, he'll make us proud with second and third rounders like he did this year."
Well, if you have confidence in him turning out 2nd and 3rd rounders, why not wait-and-see what he can do with 1st rounders ON TOP OF the 2nd and 3rd rounders. I haven't seen this much excitement about Habs players drafted as there is about the last draft we had, and I want to see him do it again. Also, who's to say he won't uncover 2 or 3 Lecavalier-types with his picks? Every year, there are gems in the draft. Be it in the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd, or the 8th round...
I am not against making a big deal, but definitely not a 6-for-1 for a yet-unproven player. Do you realize that JAROMIR JAGR went for THREE prospects!!! AND at least he is a PROVEN franchise player!!! I might consider a 6-for-4 or 6-for-3 IF and only IF it fills specific needs (i.e. 1 first-line big scoring center PLUS one big scoring fast winger PLUS one big puck-moving defenseman PLUS one big physical defenseman). Also, I would much rather trade players than draft picks. We have a lot of dead-wood to get rid of, in order to make room for our prospects who are starting to deserve time in the NHL and the players we trade for...
Cheers!
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 3, 2002 10:32:01 GMT -5
You can't compare the Jagr deal to a potential Lecavalier deal.Jagr was a year away from UFA,making 11 million per year,injury prone and was starting to become a cancer(something that has continued).Lecavalier is a decade away from UFA,won't be making 11 million any time soon and isn't a cancer at all.On top of that,he is center,Jagr is a winger.And every team wants to have a superstar center to build around.
Again,if you guys think he is soooo overated,why do elite organizations want him soooo baddly?
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Post by Ryan on Feb 3, 2002 12:26:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the Habs would be willing to give up what it would take to get Vinny, or even if we have what T-Bay would be after, but make no mistake about it Vinny will be an elite star in this league.
Did all you people write Thornton off as a flop after a couple seasons? You bring 18 year old kids into the NHL and they are destined to fail. Kovalchuk is a freak that has caught the league off guard. He's a pure sniper and that's all he concentrates on.
Give Vinny two years and you'll all be bowing at his feet. Please don't compare him to Daigle, he's a flake that couldn't handle the pressure of being #1 overall. Vinny will make it big, I just don't think he'll do it in a Habs uniform.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 3, 2002 12:43:41 GMT -5
You're crazy.
As many of you know, I am not in favor of the quick-strike approach to team building. I have never really been in favor of the 3 or 4 for 1 deals, and even less so when you start talking about significant parts of your team. Zednik, Markov, Souray - that's three regulars, all under the age of 27.
Yes, Lecavalier is a potential superstar, and he's a pretty nice kid to boot, but the potential for this deal to backfire is just too great in my opinion. I am conservative that way.
As for not being able to pick up an impact player at picks 13 to 16 - or at least it being much more difficult - need I remind you that Rejean Houle was able to find Ron Hainsey and Marcel Hossa, at picks #13 and #16? Perezhoughin was pick what? 23?
Its always easy to talk about "1st round picks" as some sort of abstract, existential concept with no real meaning, but it always sounds a lot worse when you start putting names to those picks. I see nothing that would suggest we got extraordinarily lucky with Hainsey, Hossa and Perezhoughin, so the the assumption must be then, that the picks that you have traded away in 2002, 2003, and 2004 will bring back similarily talented players.
So the deal then, would be Zednik, Souray, Markov, Hainsey II, Hossa II and Perezhoughin II for Lecavalier.
I don't know man, thats a little too rich for my blood.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 3, 2002 13:03:18 GMT -5
I like to remind people that we do not use words like "crazy" in this forum.
You may say that he lost his outboard on his conoe and is stroking his paddle......you know, of his conoe.
Yup, 3 regulars plus 3 draft choices for a gold plated potential superstar. You know, you can really pound gold into a very fine layer and cover something up.
I am not convinced that Prince Vinny is the real thing. Joe T. and Koval, they are and will be, Vinny, hmm, maybe. Maybe not.
Six players to find out, no way. Let someone else do it. I read somewhere, by some unkown scribe, about putting a team of Kilger and rolling four lines of constant pressure. Well, I don't know about Kilger, but, I would say put four lines of Brunet equivilant and plan the cup route.
Just my two drachma worth.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 3, 2002 13:08:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the Habs would be willing to give up what it would take to get Vinny, or even if we have what T-Bay would be after, but make no mistake about it Vinny will be an elite star in this league. Did all you people write Thornton off as a flop after a couple seasons? You bring 18 year old kids into the NHL and they are destined to fail. Kovalchuk is a freak that has caught the league off guard. He's a pure sniper and that's all he concentrates on. Give Vinny two years and you'll all be bowing at his feet. Please don't compare him to Daigle, he's a flake that couldn't handle the pressure of being #1 overall. Vinny will make it big, I just don't think he'll do it in a Habs uniform. The difference between Thornton and Lecavalier is simple.Thornton started it out as a number 4 center,then went to number 3 center,then to number 2 center and now to number 1 center...but it took 5 years! Lecavalier started it out as a number 4 center,to a number 2 center to a number 1 center in barely a year! Lecavalier was simply asked to do too much,too soon on a bad team.Thornton had a guy like Allison to take the pressure away from him,Lecavalier never had an Allison ahead of him.On top of that,Thornton has played with some pretty damn good wingers this year(Samsonov,Guerin,Murray,etc) while Lecavalier has played with Dave Andreychuk and Ben Clymer all year long.Only recently he has played with Modin and Richards and surprise,surprise he has been playing much better. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 3, 2002 13:12:35 GMT -5
I am not convinced that Prince Vinny is the real thing. Joe T. and Koval, they are and will be, Vinny, hmm, maybe. Maybe not. Come on now,Habsaddict...give Vinny a Heatley or a Guerin or a Samsonov on his wing before you say stuff like that.Do you really think Thornton would be as good as he is if he was playing with Ben Clymer...do you really think Kovalchuk would be as dominating as he is, if Dany Heatley wasn't on this team? |
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Post by Habsolutely on Feb 3, 2002 14:00:48 GMT -5
The difference between Thornton and Lecavalier is simple.Thornton started it out as a number 4 center,then went to number 3 center,then to number 2 center and now to number 1 center...but it took 5 years! Lecavalier started it out as a number 4 center,to a number 2 center to a number 1 center in barely a year! Lecavalier was simply asked to do too much,too soon on a bad team.Thornton had a guy like Allison to take the pressure away from him,Lecavalier never had an Allison ahead of him.On top of that,Thornton has played with some pretty damn good wingers this year(Samsonov,Guerin,Murray,etc) while Lecavalier has played with Dave Andreychuk and Ben Clymer all year long.Only recently he has played with Modin and Richards and surprise,surprise he has been playing much better. I would take Joe Thornton in a hurry before Vinny. Joe is bigger, stronger, faster than Vincent Lecavalier. He's way better along the boards than Vinny, he wins more faceoffs than Vinny, he's probably involved more and more in front of the net than Vinny, he has better and more accurate shot than Vinny. The only reason why Thornton didn't explode earlier was because of his work ethic. Harry Sinden and O'Connell stated at that time that Joe was not expecting to be as challenged as he was when he first played in the NHL. Since then, he has been working his behind off.. and he's now Art Ross winner-material. I'm not very confident about Lecavalier either. When you watch TB lightning hockey, you would find out that Brad Richards and Martin StLouis are the only ones creating chances on a solid basis for their team. Which is scaring for Bolts fans. Lecavalier may not be happy to play with the Bolts and that could be a good reason for him to slow down his play.. but I wouldn't try to sell the team for him. I have enough confidence on André Savard to find another way to grab a big and talented center. |
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Post by KR on Feb 3, 2002 14:45:42 GMT -5
IMO, both proposals are WAY TOO MUCH! Perreault has a no-trade clause in his contract that I know I wouldn't waive so I could be traded from my home province to Tampa Bay. With Savard's rep as a master evealuator of talent, I wouldn't give up 3 1st round draft picks either. It's not that I don't like Lecavalier, but not at that price.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 3, 2002 20:36:28 GMT -5
I would take Joe Thornton in a hurry before Vinny. Joe is bigger, stronger, faster than Vincent Lecavalier. He's way better along the boards than Vinny, he wins more faceoffs than Vinny, he's probably involved more and more in front of the net than Vinny, he has better and more accurate shot than Vinny. The only reason why Thornton didn't explode earlier was because of his work ethic. Harry Sinden and O'Connell stated at that time that Joe was not expecting to be as challenged as he was when he first played in the NHL. Since then, he has been working his behind off.. and he's now Art Ross winner-material. I'm not very confident about Lecavalier either. When you watch TB lightning hockey, you would find out that Brad Richards and Martin StLouis are the only ones creating chances on a solid basis for their team. Which is scaring for Bolts fans. Lecavalier may not be happy to play with the Bolts and that could be a good reason for him to slow down his play.. but I wouldn't try to sell the team for him. I have enough confidence on André Savard to find another way to grab a big and talented center. Well,Thornton is simply a different player than Lecavalier.Thornton is more of a power forward down the middle,who is expected to win the battles and show toughness and strength.While Lecavalier is more of a finesse guy,who should play with a certain degree of toughness sooner rather than later. I just think Lecavalier needs to play with the players Thornton plays with before people call him a bust. |
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Post by WhyteKnight63 on Feb 3, 2002 20:47:03 GMT -5
at least not for real, in the mean sense of the word. We were all responding to the title put forth by JV: I would do this (Call me crazy) So we did. We called him crazy. It was in a tongue-in-cheek way, not a disrespectful way. You'll notice that my post called "Hey Crazy ;-) " did have a winky face next to it. I know that BC is a respectful AND respected poster and moderator on this board. I am sure he meant it in a joking fashion. (Sorry if I'm speaking on your behalf, BC). As for me, I strive to be respectful with all my posts and hope I come across that way. If I do not, blame it on English being a second language, or my funky sense of humour... Honestly HA, how can you not pounce on an opening like that (Call me crazy). Like we could overlook that one... hehehe JV, I apologize if you took me seriously, it was meant in a joking manner as I do respect you and enjoy reading your posts... :-) :-) :-) Cheers! (I know you did not mean it seriously and I quess you missed my double meaning about the paddle. I am also sure that JV did not take it seriously. As for BC, heck, he is trying to prove the "monkeys typing randomly" theory ) |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 3, 2002 20:47:14 GMT -5
Johnny...Johnny...Johnny
You don't build your future around a guy like Ribeiro... A 21yr old who just got picked and recognized as part of the best prospects of the league. An All-Star at the junior level, our best player while in the minors and a guy who, on his first real chance with the team will probably blow Lecavalier's rookie number (while being darn close to his actual ones...). As for me, I think you can have a future with guys like that.
But Ribeiro wasn't the subject right...
I'd love Vinny as much as the next guy. But aside from our best offensive prospect, you add Zednik who's a huge worker with speed and a nice touch, Perreault who's one of the best faceoff guy of the league that will score you 25 on his bad year, Markov who'lll be a top 4 dmen in this league and a first. For Lecavalier alone? Just to make up for the lost offense of what you're sending away, the guy would have to score around 80 goals and get around 120 points. I know it doesn't work like that, but still the cost for us is way to great in that deal.
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Post by NYHF on Feb 3, 2002 20:50:35 GMT -5
For selling the Farm, I would want a PROVEN YOUNG center! we are just now getting together a solid team on the farm and in the NHL. While I agree, our center postion is a cause for concern, giving away 3 1st round picks PLUS two NHLers who cany really play ios just crazy! Savard can pick talent, we aren't winning the stanley cup this year or next. we just have to keep getting better and stockpiling talent! The risk is WAT TO HIGH!!!! ;D
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Post by Ryan on Feb 3, 2002 22:45:33 GMT -5
The bottom line is right now we have no pressure to gamble the farm on an unproven commodity. Now Toronto on the other hand...  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 4, 2002 16:12:24 GMT -5
OK,guys,I am scouting Vinny tonight as the Sens play TB and I can watch the game on the NEW RO.
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Post by habernac on Feb 4, 2002 17:33:17 GMT -5
How do we know this for sure? Do you have spies in the TB dressing room? A person who isn't selfish or cancerous doesn't demand a trade. This guy MAY be the real deal. We don't know that yet. Until we do, the offer is WAY too steep. You're selling the farm on might. Too big a risk, IMO
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 6, 2002 16:26:33 GMT -5
Well,I am 2 days late,but I really liked what I saw from Vinny on Monday against the Sens.He played mostly with youngster Nikita Aleexev and a few other wingers.He created scoring chances,got a goal,and looked much better than most of you make him out to be.He still isn't the kid we saw in 1999-2000,but he is rounding into that form.
I still think you will see this guy among the elite sooner rather than later,too much talent.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 6, 2002 16:31:31 GMT -5
How do we know this for sure? Do you have spies in the TB dressing room? A person who isn't selfish or cancerous doesn't demand a trade. This guy MAY be the real deal. We don't know that yet. Until we do, the offer is WAY too steep. You're selling the farm on might. Too big a risk, IMO Lecavalier is a good kid,when you see him in in an interview,you see he is honest and doesn't tell you a bunch of bull.Ask Jacques Demers who is very close to the Lecavalier family and he will tell you Lecavalier is not a cancer. Sheesh,amazing how most of you,LESS THAN A YEAR AGO,wanted this guy baddly,and now you don't want him anymore? why? he missed training camp(look at how Theodore struggled last year after missing camp),has played with mediocre players,has seen his ice time reduced dramatically for no reason,etc. Guys like this don't grow on trees,folks. |
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