Komisarek responds to coaches call.

[Cranky]

Of all the prospects in the Hab's organization, in my opinion, this kid has the biggest potential. The thought of a 6'5" 260 lb 25 year old with attitude and talent. Puhlease, give me a bib, I'm drooling already.

It seems that his team did not go well so Red gave him a wake up slap. So the guy goes out and scores two goals and assists on one. They won the game.

I am trying to make a nick name stick on him,  "Komisaurus". Images terrible tyranosaurus leap into my befogged mind. I coined it months ago and I like credit for that. It is one of my crowning achievements, along with the ability to flush a toilet and tie my shoe laces.

Here is a link, thanks to Paulo for bringing up the story.



www.mgoblue.com/icehockey/01-02/release-01-26.html

[MPLABBE]

Thanks for the info!!!!!!!!!!

I never thought he had that much offensive talent, I thought  he was more of a defensive d-man,with terrific size and mobility,with bone crushing hitting ability.

Hopefully, he can become a Jovo with better defensive zone play.

[Cranky]

I do not care what AS has to do to get this guy in uniform. I like to see him play with the Cits next year.

He can develop much faster in the knuckle dragging AHL then in college.

Education? Humbug, put a stick in his hands and show him the enemy! We need him to "bag'em and tag'em" back there.

[MPLABBE]

Hehehe, hopefully Hainsey can have success with his call-up,so Savard can say to Komisarek:'Look at Ron Hainsey,he signed with us,less than a year later,he is in the NHL.He spent only a few months in the AHL'.



I also want to see this guy playing with the Cits next year.We really need him by 2003-2004(if there is hockey that year).Heck,I am pretty sure St André drafted him EXPECTING to see him with his team within 1-2 years.And not 4-5 years.

[habwest]

Let's see now, maximum rookie salary, which surely Komisarek will get being a #7 overall and playing well, is $1.3M. Presumbaly that will be several year contract, so 3 years is $3.9M. Even if he doesn't get a signing bonus (don't know how that works for rookies) that's enough to live on for the rest of your life. For example, he ought to be able to invest $3.5M. You can get a guaranteed return on that of 5% a year, that's $175,000 US a year forever guys.

So all this about "needing a degree to fall back on" is pure hokeum, intended I assume for bargaining purposes. Either that or our boy isn't as smart as a Michigan boy should be.
Now being ready to move up in hockey terms is another matter. Komisarek has said that Bersenson or the Habs will tell him when he's ready to do so, so all he has to do is keep playing like a Tiger tank, singlehandedly demolishing opponents and putting up the numbers and I think even ol' Red would be hard pressed to deny that he should move on to the Cits. If he doesn't end up dominating this year it might be a different matter and perhaps his disappointing play at the World Juniors might have something to say about such an assessment.

In any case we should know pretty soon, 3 months max. The Wolverine's regular schedule ends on March 2nd. The CCHA Tournament ends March 17th. The NCAA Championship ends April 6th.  So if the Habs think he's ready, and they can persuade Berenson of that, I would expect to see him with the Cits for the end of the season and playoffs, just like Hainsey. If not, we'll know that too as he won't show up with the Cits.

[MPLABBE]

At home,he has 7 goals,7 assits for a total of 14 points.He is Michigan's leading scorer at home.Mike Cammaleri is on that team to give you an idea how much of an accomplishment that is.Overall,he has 8 goals,10 assists for 18 points in 23 games.Last year,Hainsey in 30 some games,had 10 goals and 36 points.I consider Hainsey to be the better offensive defenceman,so obviously Kommie's numbers are very impressive since few thought he had elite offensive talent.I dunno about his defensive game,but he is a +8,and I assume that will be what the Habs will judge him on to see if he is ready to sign a pro contract.

[clear observer]

All this for a sophomore...extremely impressive.

And the best part of all, at 6'5" 240lbs, this kid? is STILL GROWING!

Like you, I can't wait to see him don the colours.

CO

[MPLABBE]

clear said:

All this for a sophomore...extremely impressive.

And the best part of all, at 6'5" 240lbs, this kid? is STILL GROWING!

Like you, I can't wait to see him don the colours.

CO

Imagine when he fills out  


We have a great talent on our hands here.This team will be in great shape for the next 5-10 years with the depth in goal,on defence and on the wings.Amazing how in just over a year,we have gone from no depth at all,to plenty of depth at every position.

[BadCompany]

Komisaurus is nice, and not to rain on your parade or anything, but personally I like "da Kommisar".

You know, as in "da Kommisar's in town."

Has kind of a nasty, underground, East German secret service like ring to it, don't you think?

I will defer to the judgement of Red Berenson and Andre Savard of course, they probably know a little bit more than me, but personally I would leave Komisarek in college for another year. What can it hurt? I know we all want to see him, and I want to see him too, but as fans we have to be patient. Komisarek has improved by leaps and bounds each and every year he has stayed in college. His first year, he was sort of mediocre and he opted to NOT enter the NHL draft because he figured he wasn't going to get picked all that high. And he wouldn't have been. His second year he becomes such a dominant defensive force, that he becomes a top ten pick in a very good draft year. In his 3rd year, he is told to work on his offence, and it seems to be improving by leaps and bounds with each passing game. What will he learn in his 4th year? I always hate tossing around big names, but if Komisarek improves as much next year playing college, the environment he is comfortable and safe in, if he improves as much as he has from year to year so far, could he, possibly, maybe, perhaps, wild fantasy here, concievably become a Rob Blake/Chris Pronger, Norris trophy winner? Do we want to take the chance that by taking him away from Red Berenson, away from the comfort and security of a system he is familiar with, we also take away his ability to grow, to mature as an elite level defenceman? If we send him to the Cits, we will be asking him to learn the pro game, whereas at the moment he is still really just learning the game. He has become a masterful defensive defenceman, and he is working on becoming a masterful offensive defenceman. Let him work on putting it all together.

We don't "need" Komisarek in Montreal next year. If he spends one more year in college, and that one more year gives him the confidence to become the best defenceman in the NCAA, won't that help us in the long run? Rob Blake served out his entire college career, and it hasn't seemed to hurt him all that much.

Again though, I will defer to Andre Savard and Red Berenson on this on. If they think he is ready, then I certainly won't argue.

[Cranky]

Nitrogen narcosis, it addles the hockey mind.

What is this “comfortable and safe in”? Don’t leave home without your blankie kind of thingy? What is wrong in teaching him the game at the pro level? The guy has the size and tools to dominate the AHL. He loves to hit, he is as mean as a rattlesnake, he has a cannon of a shot, skate like a tank (?....at 250 lbs, how else can you skate ), defensivly very sound. What else do you need to play in the AHL? Hair on the upper lip?

Red Berenson has his own agenda. I have read a few interviews and my conclusion is that his team is going nowhere fast without Komisaurus (repeat Komisaurus to yourself 9 times an hour, Pavlovian thingy). Apparently, Red is retiring soon and he dreaming of glory, that is HIS agenda, not Savards. BC, read some of the older interviews that are in my link above. You will see what I mean.

I firmly believe in keep raising the bar. Be all you can be, achieve the highest levels, push yourself to the limit, push the envelope, get as much sex as possible. You know, the old ways, none of this "you are smart enough and good enough...", 90's crap. He is considered on of the top defenseman in the NCAA. Wow    what an achievement  . Raise the bar, now he has to be the TOP defenseman in the AHL. He will get waaaaay more ice time and he will face all those ugly, knuckle draggers that inhabit those woods. He will learn how to take care of business the minute he gets a face wash from a friendly goon. He will learn to hit men, you know the type, with hair on their nuts, not 18 year old boys. Is there a problem with accelerating his growth? It's not like he has to worry about “making it”. I for one, could not care less if he does not make the big club next year, BUT, he is 800 kilometers from it now.

How dare you disagree with me, scuba boy. Just step into the inviting , warm water……

[BadCompany]

mmmm, nitrogen narcosis...rapture of the deep...best high I've ever had.

My fear with throwing da Kommisar (dammit!) into the AHL is that he will revert back to doing what he knows best - safe, efficient, hard hitting defence. That's fine, and lord knows Rick Green is probably drooling at the thought, but why stop him there?

If he goes to the AHL and tries to do some dipsy doodle moves, some end to end rushes, some exciting pinches at the blueline, these "hairy men of yours" (care to discuss why that image came into your mind?) are going to embarrass him. Result? The coaches and Komisarek himself start thinking "uh, maybe I had just better play it safe."

Unexploited potential. Right now, he will get caught maybe once every couple of games playing in college. Enough to learn from, but not enough to shatter his offensive confidence. In the AHL, where an NHL call up is just a phone call away, he will get caught a couple of times a game, ifhe hasn't mastered the offensive side of the game yet. Since he is going to want to get called up to the NHL (something that can't happen if he is still in college) he isn't going to want to have a double-digit, negative +/-. So he might just play it safe.

Komisarek has really only been exploring his offensive potential for what? 20 games? Thats not a lot. We saw at the World Juniors, a more wide open tournament, that he really wasn't all that dominant. Why, all of a sudden, would he be in the AHL?

He would probably be good in the AHL, maybe even very good, but great? I don't know about that.

Like I said, I will defer to others on this matter, I am not a professional scout or developer of talent, but I see nothing wrong with leaving him in college for another year. Didn't seem to hurt Rob Blake all that much. Blake never played a single game in the AHL.

Again though, its not like I am going to freak if he leaves college early. I just won't freak if he doesn't.

[MPLABBE]

BadCompany said:

Komisaurus is nice, and not to rain on your parade or anything, but personally I like "da Kommisar".

You know, as in "da Kommisar's in town."

Has kind of a nasty, underground, East German secret service like ring to it, don't you think?

I will defer to the judgement of Red Berenson and Andre Savard of course, they probably know a little bit more than me, but personally I would leave Komisarek in college for another year. What can it hurt? I know we all want to see him, and I want to see him too, but as fans we have to be patient. Komisarek has improved by leaps and bounds each and every year he has stayed in college. His first year, he was sort of mediocre and he opted to NOT enter the NHL draft because he figured he wasn't going to get picked all that high. And he wouldn't have been. His second year he becomes such a dominant defensive force, that he becomes a top ten pick in a very good draft year. In his 3rd year, he is told to work on his offence, and it seems to be improving by leaps and bounds with each passing game. What will he learn in his 4th year? I always hate tossing around big names, but if Komisarek improves as much next year playing college, the environment he is comfortable and safe in, if he improves as much as he has from year to year so far, could he, possibly, maybe, perhaps, wild fantasy here, concievably become a Rob Blake/Chris Pronger, Norris trophy winner? Do we want to take the chance that by taking him away from Red Berenson, away from the comfort and security of a system he is familiar with, we also take away his ability to grow, to mature as an elite level defenceman? If we send him to the Cits, we will be asking him to learn the pro game, whereas at the moment he is still really just learning the game. He has become a masterful defensive defenceman, and he is working on becoming a masterful offensive defenceman. Let him work on putting it all together.

We don't "need" Komisarek in Montreal next year. If he spends one more year in college, and that one more year gives him the confidence to become the best defenceman in the NCAA, won't that help us in the long run? Rob Blake served out his entire college career, and it hasn't seemed to hurt him all that much.

Again though, I will defer to Andre Savard and Red Berenson on this on. If they think he is ready, then I certainly won't argue.

Speaking of his nicknames...how about the 'Kommishiner'  or 'Komocop',etc...

As for the rest of your post, true another year in college couldn't hurt him,but could a year in the AHL hurt him? I seriously doubt it.He would play against men,he would learn what misery can be (travelling in busses) and would probably work harder knowing he is very close to the NHL.I think he can become the dominant d-man you are talking about EVEN if he doesn't go back to college next year.I seriously think it would be best for his developement to play in the AHL next year.He will soon be too good for college.

[PTH]

I'm with BadCo, as usual, on this one - Komisarek has the best chance of reaching his max upside by developing as much as possible in the College ranks.

If we bring him up to the AHL, he might just become a somewhat more mobile Quintal.... if we let him develop in College he might be the next Pronger/Blake. He might also not develop all that much, but even then it wouldn't be all that bad, we'd sign him after the College season, he'd get a few AHL games, and from there he could prepare to jump to the NHL in Camp.

Bringing Komie into the pro ranks is kinda like a girl smoking when she's pregnant - it might not hurt, but it won't do any good. Dump the smokes, let the kid develop properly, and you'll know that you'll have the best chance of reaching maximum upside.

[MPLABBE]

PTH said:

I'm with BadCo, as usual, on this one - Komisarek has the best chance of reaching his max upside by developing as much as possible in the College ranks.

If we bring him up to the AHL, he might just become a somewhat more mobile Quintal.... if we let him develop in College he might be the next Pronger/Blake. He might also not develop all that much, but even then it wouldn't be all that bad, we'd sign him after the College season, he'd get a few AHL games, and from there he could prepare to jump to the NHL in Camp.

Bringing Komie into the pro ranks is kinda like a girl smoking when she's pregnant - it might not hurt, but it won't do any good. Dump the smokes, let the kid develop properly, and you'll know that you'll have the best chance of reaching maximum upside.

Hate to totally make you like a fool.But there is more of a chance the Anaheim Mighty Ducks become an elite NHL franchise than Komisarek developing into a more mobile Quintal.Komisarek has a rocket of a shot(something Quintal doesn't have),more size,much better mobility,etc.I think either way,AHL or NCAA will be good for Kommie.

[clear observer]

MPBLABBE....

...agree, disagree, or agree to disagree, but, do so respectfully please. We're not here to make one-another look like fools. You've been around long enough to know better than to reply in that manner, and I'm hopeful that you didn't mean to come across that way.


CO

[MPLABBE]

clear said:

MPBLABBE....

...agree, disagree, or agree to disagree, but, do so respectfully please. We're not here to make one-another look like fools. You've been around long enough to know better than to reply in that manner, and I'm hopeful that you didn't mean to come across that way.


CO

Of course,I said it in more of a joke(friendly joke) matter.

[clear observer]

Thanks Marc,



CO

[habwest]

Interesting facts from MPLABBE, puts his achievement in context.

And if anybody is keeping track I'd agree with Bad Co's argument with the same caveat of relying on Savard's assesment.

[seventeen]

Gotta get my 2-bits in.

a) Sorry BC, I prefer Komisaurus to Kommisar or Kommish.  Perhaps a play on Mikey?  (You know, Mikey likes it!, He likes it!)
b) AHL?, AHL?  You guys set your sights too low.  Given the amount of trespassing in the Habs crease, we need him on the big team...next year.  Have him play for the Cits after his college season ends in March. Concerned about development?  See...
c) Mikey has a grade point average in the high 3's.  That makes him brighter than the average lawyer, medical student, or others patrolling bluelines in the NHL who will go nameless.  Now are you salivating?  Imagine a T-rex with skates who does calculus equations in his spare time.  That's what I really like about this pick.  He has the physical tools, yes, but can also think his way through the game.  I dont' know how he'll end up, but the potential exists for him to be a new breed of player.  Not as offensively gifted as many great defensement, but as intimidating as any who have laced on skates.  This will be fun, guys!  BTW, who really drafted him, Dorion?  Was Savard with the Habs then?  

[clear observer]

He was drafted this past summer....7th over-all...and yes, he's Savard's man.


He will be scary...yum!



CO

[Buttman]

I like the name Komisaurus. It would be a great nickname.

[seventeen]

Tks Co, but it was a dumb question.  Of course Savard was in charge.  I meant to pose that question concerning Hainsey, from the previous year's draft.  Not sure if Savard and Madden were playing a role or if Dorion helped Houle with that choice.  Tks again.  Droool.

[MPLABBE]

seventeen said:

Gotta get my 2-bits in.

a) Sorry BC, I prefer Komisaurus to Kommisar or Kommish.  Perhaps a play on Mikey?  (You know, Mikey likes it!, He likes it!)
b) AHL?, AHL?  You guys set your sights too low.  Given the amount of trespassing in the Habs crease, we need him on the big team...next year.  Have him play for the Cits after his college season ends in March. Concerned about development?  See...
c) Mikey has a grade point average in the high 3's.  That makes him brighter than the average lawyer, medical student, or others patrolling bluelines in the NHL who will go nameless.  Now are you salivating?  Imagine a T-rex with skates who does calculus equations in his spare time.  That's what I really like about this pick.  He has the physical tools, yes, but can also think his way through the game.  I dont' know how he'll end up, but the potential exists for him to be a new breed of player.  Not as offensively gifted as many great defensement, but as intimidating as any who have laced on skates.  This will be fun, guys!  BTW, who really drafted him, Dorion?  Was Savard with the Habs then?  <br>

Nah,it's Savard and Madden's pick.


I can't wait to see Kommie in MTL.

[MPLABBE]

seventeen said:

Tks Co, but it was a dumb question.  Of course Savard was in charge.  I meant to pose that question concerning Hainsey, from the previous year's draft.  Not sure if Savard and Madden were playing a role or if Dorion helped Houle with that choice.  Tks again.  Droool.

It was Houle and Co's pick.Savard was busy drafting Volchenkov for the Sens.(and that will be a great thing for them...imagine their blueline in a few years with Redden,Chara,Rachunek,Volchenkov,Gleason and Philipps...wow)

I remember Boivin saying he asked Houle..'are you drafting Marcel Hossa because you didn't draft Marian Hossa?'