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Post by Gord on Jan 29, 2002 14:10:28 GMT -5
Today's transaction wire has the Citadelles shipping Luc Belanger back to Mississippi, which means Tarasov is finally recovered enough to back up Garon.
This is nice to see as Garon must be exhausted, having played so many games consecutively. It'll be nice to see Tarasov develop some more too, he showed excellent promise at the start of the season before his extended convalescence from that groin injury.
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Post by NYHF on Jan 29, 2002 17:25:23 GMT -5
If Tarasov shows us some potential, it not only sets up a possible trade with Hackett, but under the right circumstnaces a future trade of Garon as a package for the #1 overall pick! Call me nuts, but I have been dreaming about a defensive corps that has Hainsey, Markov, Komerserik and Boumester. Some scouts have said that he has the potential to become the best defenseman EVER!  Can you believe that fab four in Habs uniforms for years to come!!  (tears of pure joy!) I realize a TON of teams will be looking for a deal, but the question is, who do you trade with no... The Trashers or the Blue Jackets or is their ANOTHER team that could tank and finish last. Does anyone remember when Sammy Polick traded for a #1 pick and then trade one of his players to the OTHER weak team that could finish last in order to make sure he got the #1 OVERALL pick ( god he was brilliant!) I would talk to both the GM of the THrashers and the Jackets and see what it would take NOW... and see if we could be in a position to swing it near the end of the season! it maybe wishful thinking, but a blueline corps like that would be ABSOLUTELY DOMINANTING for YEARS to come! |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2002 17:34:54 GMT -5
If Tarasov shows us some potential, it not only sets up a possible trade with Hackett, but under the right circumstnaces a future trade of Garon as a package for the #1 overall pick! Call me nuts, but I have been dreaming about a defensive corps that has Hainsey, Markov, Komerserik and Boumester. Some scouts have said that he has the potential to become the best defenseman EVER! Can you believe that fab four in Habs uniforms for years to come!! (tears of pure joy!) I realize a TON of teams will be looking for a deal, but the question is, who do you trade with no... The Trashers or the Blue Jackets or is their ANOTHER team that could tank and finish last. Does anyone remember when Sammy Polick traded for a #1 pick and then trade one of his players to the OTHER weak team that could finish last in order to make sure he got the #1 OVERALL pick ( god he was brilliant!) I would talk to both the GM of the THrashers and the Jackets and see what it would take NOW... and see if we could be in a position to swing it near the end of the season! it maybe wishful thinking, but a blueline corps like that would be ABSOLUTELY DOMINANTING for YEARS to come! Buddy,ATL didn't want to deal the #1 last year for Garon,Markov and TWO first rounders.Do you think they would deal it this year for Garon(value has dropped a little) and maybe a 1st rounder? IF we were to make a deal to get Big Jay,I am pretty sure,we would have to give up a young stud on D in the deal.ATL needs a stud defenceman and goalie to complement Ilya and Dany. I saw Bouwmeester in the WJC,and I doubt he will be the best offensive d-man ever.But he could be a 60-70 point guy,with tremendous speed and great in his own zone.Imagine,A faster Chris Pronger. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 29, 2002 21:28:54 GMT -5
Marc, it is indeed good to see your posts back again...someday I'm going to disagree with you and we'll have a ripsnorting debate. Bouwmeester has indeed been getting a fair amount of ink on this board and I suspect it's a bit optimistic. My take on him from the WJC is much like yours, a pretty good d-man, but not franchise player material. I'm not even sure he'll reach Pronger status. Great wheels, but he didn't use them enough...he's not overly physical and while pretty good, his passing skills and vision weren't what I would call outstanding. My favourite guy on the Canadian team was Scottie Upshall, because of the way he got involved. He showed enough skill and good skating ability, but the way he was 'on' people when he forechecked and his willingness to go into no-man's land, showed some mental toughness that bodes well for him. It will be interesting to see how these kids turn out. In any case, I don't think this years draft has quite the quality of last years, at least in the top 5. No Kovalchuks.
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 29, 2002 21:43:18 GMT -5
While I don't think Bouwmeester is "the best ever" I do think he is going to be a very good one. What kind of package would I throw together for him? I don't know really, but I would start with Garon, Markov and a 1st, and see if that piques there interest. If it does, well, who knows? Oh yeah, I'd definetely look into a package for this kid.
The thing to remember about Bouwmeester is just how young he is. Personally I thought he was very good at the World Juniors, perhaps not the best defenceman there, but certainly a real go-to kind of guy. He was on the ice in all pressure situations, he killed penalties, was on the powerplay, last minute of games, etc.. Compare that to Rick Nash, who many people say is also a top 3 pick, if not the #1 - Nash played 4th line, was not an impact player, and did not play in pressure situations. Bouwmeester is 18 years old, he is already 6'4, over 215 pounds and a very good skater with very good offensive instincts. He is still growing. What more do you want in a defenceman?
I think of Bouwmeester as a much bigger Scott Niedermeyer. Niedermeyer is a very good defenceman, but one who never really exploited his offensive potential. Will Bouwmeester come through with 60-70 points a year? If he does, he will be a Norris candidate for years to come...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 30, 2002 10:43:45 GMT -5
Marc, it is indeed good to see your posts back again...someday I'm going to disagree with you and we'll have a ripsnorting debate. Bouwmeester has indeed been getting a fair amount of ink on this board and I suspect it's a bit optimistic. My take on him from the WJC is much like yours, a pretty good d-man, but not franchise player material. I'm not even sure he'll reach Pronger status. Great wheels, but he didn't use them enough...he's not overly physical and while pretty good, his passing skills and vision weren't what I would call outstanding. My favourite guy on the Canadian team was Scottie Upshall, because of the way he got involved. He showed enough skill and good skating ability, but the way he was 'on' people when he forechecked and his willingness to go into no-man's land, showed some mental toughness that bodes well for him. It will be interesting to see how these kids turn out. In any case, I don't think this years draft has quite the quality of last years, at least in the top 5. No Kovalchuks. don't worry,the debate will soon come ;D As for Bouwmeester.Maybe he would have shown more if he would have played on the PP a little bit more.Remeber Schultz and Hamhuis were getting the majority of the PP time.But I remember a couple of rushes up ice by Bouwmeester and wow...this kid can fly.Don't forget,he plays for a pretty bad organization(Medicine Hat) he may not be getting the proper coaching.I wonder what he would be with a team like Red Deer. And let's not forget,Kovalchuk had a pretty ordinary WJC last year,we all remember him for the fist pumping on the empty netter,but aside from that,he wasn't as spectacular as he is now.So it's really tough to judge Bouwmeester's potential on a few games. |
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Post by Xpert on Jan 30, 2002 12:51:43 GMT -5
Correct me I am wrong... the team that finishes last is not assured the first overall pick in the following draft. There is a lottery that is held and each team is given a certain number of ballots based on where they finished. The winner of the lottery could only advance no more than 5 spots.
This makes it even more difficult to trade with a team not knowing what position they might be in depending on the lottery.
A trade of Hackett, Rivet or Traverse or Souray and a first should give us a crack at any getting Jay.
Why wouldn't a team want a quality backup goalie (yes that what Hack is know that Theo has stepped up) and a 5th NHL defenceman with expereince for someone that must prove himself at the NHL level?!
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Post by habmeister on Jan 30, 2002 13:44:33 GMT -5
it wouldn't be very smart to trade for a pick now, when you can trade for bouwmeester after he has been chosen. As someone pointed out, trading for a pick is not trading for a particular player. We could theoretically accquire the first overall pick and then lose the lottery. Better to make the trade after the lottery has been completed.
Having said that, i wouldn't chase after a d man like bouwmeester too hard. He'll be a great one, but he is a defencemen, not a forward.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 30, 2002 17:22:26 GMT -5
Correct me I am wrong... the team that finishes last is not assured the first overall pick in the following draft. There is a lottery that is held and each team is given a certain number of ballots based on where they finished. The winner of the lottery could only advance no more than 5 spots. This makes it even more difficult to trade with a team not knowing what position they might be in depending on the lottery. A trade of Hackett, Rivet or Traverse or Souray and a first should give us a crack at any getting Jay. Why wouldn't a team want a quality backup goalie (yes that what Hack is know that Theo has stepped up) and a 5th NHL defenceman with expereince for someone that must prove himself at the NHL level?! Hehehe,It's a good thing you added that little jab and the end of the post.Because we would have been all over you ;D As for the lottery,the team that finishes last,gets a top 2 pick...so either way Nash or Bouwmeester,you can't really make a bad pick. |
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 30, 2002 17:56:39 GMT -5
this was in QC paper this morning maybe someone who is more belingual than me could give our friend and english resume
Le mercredi 30 janvier 2002
Tarasov au bout du banc, pour l'instant
Olivier Bossé<br>Le Soleil
Québec
Oui, Vadim Tarasov est disposé à amorcer un match devant la cage des Citadelles. Mais c'est de nouveau Mathieu Garon, pour un 23e match de suite, qui défendra la forteresse québécoise ce soir, face aux Maple Leafs de St. John's.
« Tarasov est prêt à voir de l'action, mais on va évaluer la situation au fur et à mesure et on verra ensuite », explique l'entraîneur-chef des Boucs, Éric Lavigne.
Aux yeux de Garon, la prochaine fois qu'il observera ses coéquipiers du bout du banc n'est pas très loin. « Je sais que je ne les jouerai pas toutes d'ici la fin de l'année, affirme le portier, d'entrée de jeu. Mais tu joues comme tu mérites de jouer. Si je donne l'occasion au coach de me remplacer, il ne se fera pas prier. Il faut gagner chacun de ses départs. » Le face à face de ce soir revêt un défi particulier puisque les Terre-Neuviens, au quatrième rang de la Division canadienne, talonnent les Citadelles par seulement trois points. Les deux formations s'étaient d'ailleurs livré deux matchs nuls au tout début de l'année 2002, au Mile One Stadium de St. John's. « C'est une rencontre très importante, résume Lavigne. Le classement est toujours serré. On doit absolument poursuivre dans la même veine qu'au cours des dernières semaines. » Québec a conservé une fiche de 7-3-4-1 depuis Noël<br>
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Post by habzmaniac on Jan 31, 2002 1:15:36 GMT -5
Glad to see Tarasov is coming back. I think he's going to be better then Garon. On the other question about Acquiring the first pick overall in the draft, if Atlanta gets the pick I would offer them Garon, Markov, Souray for it and then draft Bouwmeester. I'm sure this guy's going to be the next best defenceman in the NHL. He's already a good skater, he has good size, he can rush from one end of the ice to the other, he could be the next Rob Blake, Larry Robinson type player. He's definitely an impact player.
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Post by PTH on Jan 31, 2002 2:15:19 GMT -5
Hummmm.... What do you think the odds are that ATL would go for it ?
Assume the 1st overall would cost you the same thing as last years offer was - Garon, 7th and 25th picks and Markov, and perhaps another player a roster player of their choice, as I recall - say they take Zednik.
That works into Markov, Garon, our 1st (something like 15th) and someone like Hossa or Hainsey, since we don't have a 2nd 1st rounder to give up, along with Zednik, in my example. That's what it'll take us.
Not Garon, Markov and Souray. ATL has one of the top assets in hockey in that top pick and won't give it away cheaply.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 31, 2002 11:48:23 GMT -5
Glad to see Tarasov is coming back. I think he's going to be better then Garon. On the other question about Acquiring the first pick overall in the draft, if Atlanta gets the pick I would offer them Garon, Markov, Souray for it and then draft Bouwmeester. I'm sure this guy's going to be the next best defenceman in the NHL. He's already a good skater, he has good size, he can rush from one end of the ice to the other, he could be the next Rob Blake, Larry Robinson type player. He's definitely an impact player. I dunno if Tarasov will be better than Garon,but he certainly has a bundle of talent.Don't forget,he won the Russian equivalent of the Stanley cup! As for the 1st pick,it will take much more than that to get Bouwmeester.Oilers fans are already talking about dealing Poti,Rita(stud prospect) and maybe a couple of other players to get Jay(a Northern Alberta kid).And if you were ATL,why would you deal the pick unless you are sure you will get 3 and maybe 4 surefire young NHLers? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 31, 2002 13:07:12 GMT -5
Tarasov at the end of the bench, for the time being
Olivier Bossé<br>Le Soleil
Québec
Yes, Vadim Tarasov is ready to start a game the Citadelles. But it's again Mathieu Garon, for a 23rd game in a row, who will defend the fort tonight, against the st john's maple leafs.
"Tarasov is ready to see action, but we'll evaluate the situation and proceed from there", explains Éric Lavigne coach of the Goats.
in the eyes of Garon, the next time that he'll see his team-mates from the end of the bench is not very far off. "I know that I won't play all the games from now until the end of the year, affirms the goalie. But you play when you merit playing. If I give the opportunity to the coach to replace me, it won't be by request. It's necessary to win each of his games. "he faces a challenge tonight since the Newfoundlanders, fourth in the Canadian Division, trail the Citadelles by only three points. The two teams had played two tie games since the beginning of the 2002 season, at Mile One Stadium in St John's. "It's a very significant game, summarizes Lavigne. The standing is tight. we must absolutely continue in the same vein as during last few weeks." Quebec has a record of 7-3-4-1 since Christmas.
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 31, 2002 20:16:02 GMT -5
Thank's for the translation MR BOZO
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(tears of pure joy!)
