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Post by Gogie on Jun 11, 2007 8:16:34 GMT -5
However, we lost Kenny Singleton to Baltimore for Ernie Macanally (to the Expos) (sp?). It took the team years to recover from that fleecing. Tim Foley eventually became an all star shortstop for the Angels and I'm not sure what happened to Jorgenson, but he was the last to leave I think. Actually, Dis, it was Dave McNally, not Ernie Macnally, who was traded to the Expos. The trade was McNally, Bill Kirkpatrick and Rich Coggins to the Expos for Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez. McNally was only 32 years old at the time and coming off a 16-10 season with the O's. Unfortunately he only played one more season, going 3-6 for the Expos with a 5.24 ERA before retiring. Singleton was coming off an "off" year with the Expos, batting .276 with only 9 HRs. However, he went on to have a pretty decent career with the O's. The real loss was Mike Torrez, a workhorse of a pitcher coming off a 15-8 season with the Expos. As I recall, at the time the Expos thought they were getting the better of the deal with McNally being a far better pitcher than Torrez. McNally was, but the key word obviously is WAS. Torrez went on to have some pretty good seasons with a number of teams, starting out by winning 20 games with the O's his first year with them and having seasons of 16-12, 17-13, 16-13 and 16-13 following that (playing with Oakland, the Yankees and the Red Sox during those seasons). P.S. - Don't hold your breath waiting for Singleton to make the HoF. It isn't going to happen. He was a decent ballplayer, but far from HoF material. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 11, 2007 11:23:22 GMT -5
However, we lost Kenny Singleton to Baltimore for Ernie Macanally (to the Expos) (sp?). It took the team years to recover from that fleecing. Tim Foley eventually became an all star shortstop for the Angels and I'm not sure what happened to Jorgenson, but he was the last to leave I think. Actually, Dis, it was Dave McNally, not Ernie Macnally, who was traded to the Expos. The trade was McNally, Bill Kirkpatrick and Rich Coggins to the Expos for Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez. McNally was only 32 years old at the time and coming off a 16-10 season with the O's. Unfortunately he only played one more season, going 3-6 for the Expos with a 5.24 ERA before retiring. Singleton was coming off an "off" year with the Expos, batting .276 with only 9 HRs. However, he went on to have a pretty decent career with the O's. The real loss was Mike Torrez, a workhorse of a pitcher coming off a 15-8 season with the Expos. As I recall, at the time the Expos thought they were getting the better of the deal with McNally being a far better pitcher than Torrez. McNally was, but the key word obviously is WAS. Torrez went on to have some pretty good seasons with a number of teams, starting out by winning 20 games with the O's his first year with them and having seasons of 16-12, 17-13, 16-13 and 16-13 following that (playing with Oakland, the Yankees and the Red Sox during those seasons). P.S. - Don't hold your breath waiting for Singleton to make the HoF. It isn't going to happen. He was a decent ballplayer, but far from HoF material. Thanks Gogie. You can probably tell it's been a while since I looked at my old baseball cards. They're locked up in a trunk but I might just have to get them out. I used know this stuff like the back of my hand. I had forgotten how Mike Torrez left the club. I remember him being an excellent low-ball pitcher. I know at one point that Singleton was the Orioles' all-time RBI leader, but I don't know if he still is. If I remember right, Dave McNally never panned out in Montreal. Kirkpatrick and Coggins? Sigh! Thanks again. Cheers. |
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Post by Gogie on Jun 11, 2007 12:08:35 GMT -5
Actually, Dis, it was Dave McNally, not Ernie Macnally, who was traded to the Expos. The trade was McNally, Bill Kirkpatrick and Rich Coggins to the Expos for Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez. McNally was only 32 years old at the time and coming off a 16-10 season with the O's. Unfortunately he only played one more season, going 3-6 for the Expos with a 5.24 ERA before retiring. Singleton was coming off an "off" year with the Expos, batting .276 with only 9 HRs. However, he went on to have a pretty decent career with the O's. The real loss was Mike Torrez, a workhorse of a pitcher coming off a 15-8 season with the Expos. As I recall, at the time the Expos thought they were getting the better of the deal with McNally being a far better pitcher than Torrez. McNally was, but the key word obviously is WAS. Torrez went on to have some pretty good seasons with a number of teams, starting out by winning 20 games with the O's his first year with them and having seasons of 16-12, 17-13, 16-13 and 16-13 following that (playing with Oakland, the Yankees and the Red Sox during those seasons). P.S. - Don't hold your breath waiting for Singleton to make the HoF. It isn't going to happen. He was a decent ballplayer, but far from HoF material. Thanks Gogie. You can probably tell it's been a while since I looked at my old baseball cards. They're locked up in a trunk but I might just have to get them out. I used know this stuff like the back of my hand. I had forgotten how Mike Torrez left the club. I remember him being an excellent low-ball pitcher. I know at one point that Singleton was the Orioles' all-time RBI leader, but I don't know if he still is. If I remember right, Dave McNally never panned out in Montreal. Kirkpatrick and Coggins? Sigh! Thanks again. Cheers. Sorry to keep correcting you, Dis, but I think my seniority gives me that privilege  . When Singleton left the O's he was third in lifetime RBI's for players who played in Baltimore (there were three players from the St. Louis Browns, the O's predecessor, who also had more RBI's than Singleton). The O's with more RBI's were Brooks Robinson (1357) and Boog Powell (1063). Singleton ended up with 766 RBI's with the O's. Since then Cal Ripken (1695) and Eddie Murray (1224) have also passed Singleton. The St. Louis Browns players with more RBI's were George Sisler (a pretty good hitter who played from 1915-1927, twice hit over .400 and had 959 RBI's for the Browns), Ken Williams who played from 1919-1927 (808 RBI's) and Harlond Clift (1934-1943, 769 RBI's). Clift is the only one I've never heard of before. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 11, 2007 13:24:32 GMT -5
Thanks Gogie. You can probably tell it's been a while since I looked at my old baseball cards. They're locked up in a trunk but I might just have to get them out. I used know this stuff like the back of my hand. I had forgotten how Mike Torrez left the club. I remember him being an excellent low-ball pitcher. I know at one point that Singleton was the Orioles' all-time RBI leader, but I don't know if he still is. If I remember right, Dave McNally never panned out in Montreal. Kirkpatrick and Coggins? Sigh! Thanks again. Cheers. Sorry to keep correcting you, Dis, but I think my seniority gives me that privilege . When Singleton left the O's he was third in lifetime RBI's for players who played in Baltimore (there were three players from the St. Louis Browns, the O's predecessor, who also had more RBI's than Singleton). The O's with more RBI's were Brooks Robinson (1357) and Boog Powell (1063). Singleton ended up with 766 RBI's with the O's. Since then Cal Ripken (1695) and Eddie Murray (1224) have also passed Singleton. The St. Louis Browns players with more RBI's were George Sisler (a pretty good hitter who played from 1915-1927, twice hit over .400 and had 959 RBI's for the Browns), Ken Williams who played from 1919-1927 (808 RBI's) and Harlond Clift (1934-1943, 769 RBI's). Clift is the only one I've never heard of before. Never a problem when we dispell urban legends, gogie. I can't remember where I heard that but obviously it wasn't right. My oldest baseball set is of the 1971 TOPPS/OPEE CHEE (black border). It's a mixture of both with the higher numbers belonging exclusively to TOPPS. One of the World Series cards has a photo of Brooks Robinson snagging a hot grounder at third base. I remember seeing the play actually. Also, during that series (against Cincinnati) both Boog Powell and Don Buford played well. I didn't buy any other cards for quite a while. When I heard the Expos were on their way out I made it a quest to pick up as many as I could. The earliest Expos cards I have are of the 1970 TOPPS set (grey border). I think players were asked not to wear their ball caps because no one knew who was going where. Those who did wear them had them blackened. No worries in correcting me, gogie. Just good talking baseball at a time when baseball was good. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 11, 2007 18:08:26 GMT -5
I don't know if it's the BEST trade....but it's right up there.
1970-71 season: Pollock sends Mickey Redmond, Guy Charron and Bill Collins to Detroit for Frank Mahovlich.
Pollock always coveted the Big M...and when he saw the chance, he took it. Mahovlich joined his brother, Pete....and, along with Dryden, was the catalyst in winning the 71 Stanley Cup...upsetting the mega-favourite Bruins in Round 1. Mahovlich set a playoff scoring record that year....27 pts. What a pickup.
Beliveau retired after that Cup, and Mahovlich helped lead the way to the 73 Cup as well. He was the perfect link between the Beliveau/H. Richard-era...and the Lafleur era. With Richard retired and Mahovlich gone to the WHA, Lafleur was ready to take over.
Seamless.
The WORST: The whole Patrick Roy debacle. It's had such a long-term effect, it seems as if we're still clawing our way back from that. And what made it even worse, is that he went directly to a contender and won the Cup....and another a few years later.
A lot of bad trades have been mentioned and I concur....but the Roy deal gets my vote, seeing how inept/idiotic it was in its development, and how much more superlative netminding Roy had yet to display.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 2, 2012 15:41:28 GMT -5
I don't know if it's the BEST trade....but it's right up there. 1970-71 season: Pollock sends Mickey Redmond, Guy Charron and Bill Collins to Detroit for Frank Mahovlich. Pollock always coveted the Big M...and when he saw the chance, he took it. Mahovlich joined his brother, Pete....and, along with Dryden, was the catalyst in winning the 71 Stanley Cup...upsetting the mega-favourite Bruins in Round 1. Mahovlich set a playoff scoring record that year....27 pts. What a pickup. Beliveau retired after that Cup, and Mahovlich helped lead the way to the 73 Cup as well. He was the perfect link between the Beliveau/H. Richard-era...and the Lafleur era. With Richard retired and Mahovlich gone to the WHA, Lafleur was ready to take over. Seamless. The WORST: The whole Patrick Roy debacle. It's had such a long-term effect, it seems as if we're still clawing our way back from that. And what made it even worse, is that he went directly to a contender and won the Cup....and another a few years later. A lot of bad trades have been mentioned and I concur....but the Roy deal gets my vote, seeing how inept/idiotic it was in its development, and how much more superlative netminding Roy had yet to display. Any way to find out Habs record before Big M trade and their record after it? |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 3, 2012 8:15:47 GMT -5
I don't know if it's the BEST trade....but it's right up there. 1970-71 season: Pollock sends Mickey Redmond, Guy Charron and Bill Collins to Detroit for Frank Mahovlich. Pollock always coveted the Big M...and when he saw the chance, he took it. Mahovlich joined his brother, Pete....and, along with Dryden, was the catalyst in winning the 71 Stanley Cup...upsetting the mega-favourite Bruins in Round 1. Mahovlich set a playoff scoring record that year....27 pts. What a pickup. Beliveau retired after that Cup, and Mahovlich helped lead the way to the 73 Cup as well. He was the perfect link between the Beliveau/H. Richard-era...and the Lafleur era. With Richard retired and Mahovlich gone to the WHA, Lafleur was ready to take over. Seamless. The WORST: The whole Patrick Roy debacle. It's had such a long-term effect, it seems as if we're still clawing our way back from that. And what made it even worse, is that he went directly to a contender and won the Cup....and another a few years later. A lot of bad trades have been mentioned and I concur....but the Roy deal gets my vote, seeing how inept/idiotic it was in its development, and how much more superlative netminding Roy had yet to display. Any way to find out Habs record before Big M trade and their record after it? How far do you want to go back before it? If you are only talking about the 1970-71 season. Frank Mahovich was traded to Montreal on Jan. 13, 1971. The team played 40 games prior to the trade, and Mahovlich played all 38 games after the trade. Prior to trade = 20-12-8 After trade = 22-11-5 Record = 42-23-13 |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 3, 2012 12:10:53 GMT -5
The Habs were still a strong team prior to that trade...but Pollock knew he had to do something to counter the firepower of Espo, Orr, Hodge, Cashman, and Bucyk. The Habs had 291 GF that year...a distant second to Boston, who racked up 399!!
In Game 7, in Boston, Frank scored twice in a 4-2 win.
Adding the Big M to Beliveau, Cournoyer, Richard, Lemaire, and P. Mahovlich paid huge dividends come playoff time. Not minimizing Dryden's Conn Smythe performance by any means.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 9, 2012 6:09:57 GMT -5
Any way to find out Habs record before Big M trade and their record after it? How far do you want to go back before it? If you are only talking about the 1970-71 season. Frank Mahovich was traded to Montreal on Jan. 13, 1971. The team played 40 games prior to the trade, and Mahovlich played all 38 games after the trade. Prior to trade = 20-12-8 After trade = 22-11-5 Record = 42-23-13 Trying to see if the trade immediately helped but guess wasn't until playoffs before it paid dividends |
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 9, 2012 6:13:52 GMT -5
However, we lost Kenny Singleton to Baltimore for Ernie Macanally (to the Expos) (sp?). It took the team years to recover from that fleecing. Tim Foley eventually became an all star shortstop for the Angels and I'm not sure what happened to Jorgenson, but he was the last to leave I think. Actually, Dis, it was Dave McNally, not Ernie Macnally, who was traded to the Expos. The trade was McNally, Bill Kirkpatrick and Rich Coggins to the Expos for Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez. McNally was only 32 years old at the time and coming off a 16-10 season with the O's. Unfortunately he only played one more season, going 3-6 for the Expos with a 5.24 ERA before retiring. Singleton was coming off an "off" year with the Expos, batting .276 with only 9 HRs. However, he went on to have a pretty decent career with the O's. The real loss was Mike Torrez, a workhorse of a pitcher coming off a 15-8 season with the Expos. As I recall, at the time the Expos thought they were getting the better of the deal with McNally being a far better pitcher than Torrez. McNally was, but the key word obviously is WAS. Torrez went on to have some pretty good seasons with a number of teams, starting out by winning 20 games with the O's his first year with them and having seasons of 16-12, 17-13, 16-13 and 16-13 following that (playing with Oakland, the Yankees and the Red Sox during those seasons). P.S. - Don't hold your breath waiting for Singleton to make the HoF. It isn't going to happen. He was a decent ballplayer, but far from HoF material. Expos making so many terrible trades played a role in their demise. Fans never had the stars to identify with. Randy Johnson being the worse. Mike Marshall, Gary Carter, Pedro, Wettleland were bad also. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 9, 2012 20:18:42 GMT -5
Of course, the most recent colossal Habs' mistake...courtesy of Gainey, Gauthier, and Martin.
Centre Scott Gomez (and his multi-year liability of a salary), winger Tom Pyatt and defenceman Mike Busto from the New York Rangers for Chris Higgins and defencemen Doug Janik, Ryan McDonagh and Pavel Valentenko.
Sather's still chuckling. If he'd been unable to dump Gomez, I doubt he'd have the lineup he has today, unless he'd buried Scott in the minors.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 15, 2012 19:26:07 GMT -5
Of course, the most recent colossal Habs' mistake...courtesy of Gainey, Gauthier, and Martin. Centre Scott Gomez (and his multi-year liability of a salary), winger Tom Pyatt and defenceman Mike Busto from the New York Rangers for Chris Higgins and defencemen Doug Janik, Ryan McDonagh and Pavel Valentenko. Sather's still chuckling. If he'd been unable to dump Gomez, I doubt he'd have the lineup he has today, unless he'd buried Scott in the minors. Yup, that one is right up there |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 18, 2012 7:20:55 GMT -5
Of course, the most recent colossal Habs' mistake...courtesy of Gainey, Gauthier, and Martin. Centre Scott Gomez (and his multi-year liability of a salary), winger Tom Pyatt and defenceman Mike Busto from the New York Rangers for Chris Higgins and defencemen Doug Janik, Ryan McDonagh and Pavel Valentenko. Sather's still chuckling. If he'd been unable to dump Gomez, I doubt he'd have the lineup he has today, unless he'd buried Scott in the minors. Prust was on RDS last week and said that McDonagh was going to be one of league top dmen. That deal has the potential to top them all as the ultimate worst one. ...the quantity of NHL players scaterred around the league for questionable return under Gainey/Goat tenure had to take its toll. I would definitely say that looking back 17 years, the combined management of Houle, Gainey, Gauthier had to be the absolute worst of the league. Here's hoping that Karma is over. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 18, 2012 9:49:38 GMT -5
I actually don't consider the Roy trade to be the worst deal. The whole saga around the trade, the circumstances that led to it were a joke, but Tremblay/Houle backed themselves into a corner and they had to make a deal. You never get full value back in trades like that, but Martin Rucinsky was a reasonably productive player in Montreal and Jocelyn Thibault had the pedigree to be a potential star goalie (i.e. former 1st round pick, top junior goalie).
I actually the worst deal of that era was the one that sent Pierre Turgeon to St. Louis for a totally washed up Shayne Corson. You take a look at the Habs in 1996 after the Roy trade, and there were some good pieces there - Turgeon, Damphousse, Recchi, Koivu, Rucinsky, Valeri Bure, Savage, Malakhov, Darcy Tucker, Odelein, Brunet, Brisebois... then you had Thibault AND a young Jose Theodore on his way up. There were some good pieces there and Houle went and messed it up.
I put the Gomez/McDonagh trade at the top of the list in terms of bad trades. Just a massive and SELF-INFLICTED mistake by Bob Gainey. It's one thing to overestimate what you thought Scott Gomez could bring to the Habs, but the writing on the wall was clear - the guy's production was clearly in decline and there isn't a lot of precedent for guys past 30 with a downward trend suddenly reversing that and being an 80 point player again. That was bad enough, but worse was (a) completely underestimating the talent of the GUY YOU DRAFTED in Ryan McDonagh, and (b) completely mismanaging the trade dynamics with Glen Sather, who was so happy to get rid of Gomez that he would have taken just about any prospect the Habs threw at him. I will never believe that Gainey had to include McDonagh in that deal. Never.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 18, 2012 11:30:46 GMT -5
I felt the Carbonneau/Montgomery trade started the post-93 slide. It was almost like Savard couldn't wait to move Carbo out of Montreal. Kirk Muller took over the reigns but we never really did recover from Carbo's departure, leadership wise anyway.
Since then there have been some boners over the years. The LeClair/Desjardins/Dionne trade was brutal as well. Desjardins was Bob Clarke's main target, Dionne was a throw-in, while LeClair had been shopped around several times before that. Mark Recchi was a talented hockey player, sure, but he couldn't replace the talent that went the other way.
The Roy/Keane trade just expedited the fall and we were playing catchup for years after that. Kovalenko was a good player and Martin Ruchinsky had a few good years when he was paired with Vinny Damphousse. Jocylen Thibault never panned out in Montreal but he did manage to shutout the Canadiens the first two times he played against them after being traded to Chicago.
The Gomez/McDonagh trade is right up there. Just a terrible trade that was suppose to facilitate Coach Martin's system. And from what I read Martin had input in which players he wanted.
Cheers.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 18, 2012 12:10:07 GMT -5
It's always the "throw-ins" that kill us.
With regards to the Roy deal getting two 30 goal scorers, both under the age of 25, AND a young, #1 goalie is a decent return, all things considered. But of course we threw in Mike Keane too.
Same with the Recchi deal. Recchi for Desjardins straight up probably would have been a good deal. Throwing in Leclair...
Turgeon for Corson and Baron? Iffy. Made horrendously worse by the fact that we threw in future Selke candidate Craig Conroy and Rory Fitzpatrick.
And Gomez... well, the day after the trade was made the Sports Forecaster called it "the greatest trade in the history of the New York Rangers." The day after. Sadly, I didn't disagree with them. Higgins for Gomez would have been fair, if not a steal for the Rangers. Throwing in McDonagh...
Like Boston_Habs said, too often we just don't know what we have, or what to do with it. The throw-ins kill us. Aside from maybe Josh Gorges has there been a throw-in coming back our way that turned out to be a steal?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 18, 2012 12:19:03 GMT -5
Think Trevor Timmons was pissed off? Absolutely!
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 12, 2013 7:16:12 GMT -5
Recently friend said Rechhi trade worst we did...I didn't mind the trade as much as that because LeClair wouldn't been the star here he was in Philly.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 12, 2013 8:15:01 GMT -5
Aside from maybe Josh Gorges has there been a throw-in coming back our way that turned out to be a steal? One that immediately come to mind is when we traded Mathieu Garon. That was basically Garon for Bonk. Christobal Huet was a throw-in, one that our GM, I believe, was quoted as admitting he never heard of him before. Montreal is usually the one adding assets, cause in my research there was very little add-ins coming our way. Another I found was in 1988. We traded Sergio Momesso for Jocelyn Lemiuex. But we also got a second round pick that we select Patrice Brisebois with. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2013 17:42:14 GMT -5
Aside from maybe Josh Gorges has there been a throw-in coming back our way that turned out to be a steal? One that immediately come to mind is when we traded Mathieu Garon. That was basically Garon for Bonk. Christobal Huet was a throw-in, one that our GM, I believe, was quoted as admitting he never heard of him before. Montreal is usually the one adding assets, cause in my research there was very little add-ins coming our way. Another I found was in 1988. We traded Sergio Momesso for Jocelyn Lemiuex. But we also got a second round pick that we select Patrice Brisebois with. I always thought letting Momesso go was a mistake. I remember him being the Memorial Cup MVP one year even though his team didn't play in the final. He was having a pretty good season before he went down with an injury. He was in and out of the lineup after that. Did well in St Louis and Vancouver but we could have used him in Montreal too. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 12, 2013 19:04:48 GMT -5
Can always use a couple of Momesso-types. As a rookie, Momesso was on a line with Skrudland and McPhee for 24 games in 85-86...but injured his knee in December and was done for the season. As a result, he didn't get his name on the Cup. But the team gave him a ring and put him in the official Cup-winning picture. No wonder he loves the Habs....you can hear it in his commentary on the Montreal radio broadcasts. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 13, 2013 14:23:06 GMT -5
Aside from maybe Josh Gorges has there been a throw-in coming back our way that turned out to be a steal? One that immediately come to mind is when we traded Mathieu Garon. That was basically Garon for Bonk. Christobal Huet was a throw-in, one that our GM, I believe, was quoted as admitting he never heard of him before. Montreal is usually the one adding assets, cause in my research there was very little add-ins coming our way. Another I found was in 1988. We traded Sergio Momesso for Jocelyn Lemiuex. But we also got a second round pick that we select Patrice Brisebois with. That comment about Huet says it all about Gainey as a trader. It just seems like he never did his homework. I think he had the same thought process when he dealt Ribiero for Niinimaa. Towards the end of the season Carbonneau wouldn't even put Niinimaa in the lineup while Ribiero was a productive player in Dallas. Not saying this is the worst deal. Just that it's indicative of the way Gainey traded. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 13, 2013 14:33:16 GMT -5
Actually, Dis, it was Dave McNally, not Ernie Macnally, who was traded to the Expos. The trade was McNally, Bill Kirkpatrick and Rich Coggins to the Expos for Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez. McNally was only 32 years old at the time and coming off a 16-10 season with the O's. Unfortunately he only played one more season, going 3-6 for the Expos with a 5.24 ERA before retiring. Singleton was coming off an "off" year with the Expos, batting .276 with only 9 HRs. However, he went on to have a pretty decent career with the O's. The real loss was Mike Torrez, a workhorse of a pitcher coming off a 15-8 season with the Expos. As I recall, at the time the Expos thought they were getting the better of the deal with McNally being a far better pitcher than Torrez. McNally was, but the key word obviously is WAS. Torrez went on to have some pretty good seasons with a number of teams, starting out by winning 20 games with the O's his first year with them and having seasons of 16-12, 17-13, 16-13 and 16-13 following that (playing with Oakland, the Yankees and the Red Sox during those seasons). P.S. - Don't hold your breath waiting for Singleton to make the HoF. It isn't going to happen. He was a decent ballplayer, but far from HoF material. Expos making so many terrible trades played a role in their demise. Fans never had the stars to identify with. Randy Johnson being the worse. Mike Marshall, Gary Carter, Pedro, Wettleland were bad also. Johnson was traded in 1989 for Mark Langston at a time when the Expos felt they had a chance at the playoffs. It's the kind of deal made a lot in sports - prospects for an established player. Some of those other trades were made because they just couldn't afford to keep those guys. There was a time in their history when they were buyers but at the end they were becomimg a farm team for the rest of MLB. |
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Post by blny on Jun 13, 2013 19:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by sergejean on Jun 13, 2013 22:14:55 GMT -5
One that immediately come to mind is when we traded Mathieu Garon. That was basically Garon for Bonk. Christobal Huet was a throw-in, one that our GM, I believe, was quoted as admitting he never heard of him before. Montreal is usually the one adding assets, cause in my research there was very little add-ins coming our way. Another I found was in 1988. We traded Sergio Momesso for Jocelyn Lemiuex. But we also got a second round pick that we select Patrice Brisebois with. That comment about Huet says it all about Gainey as a trader. It just seems like he never did his homework. I think he had the same thought process when he dealt Ribiero for Niinimaa. Towards the end of the season Carbonneau wouldn't even put Niinimaa in the lineup while Ribiero was a productive player in Dallas. Not saying this is the worst deal. Just that it's indicative of the way Gainey traded. Yes, I remember the comment. How can a gm not know all of the players playing in the NHL? It baffles me. That's his JOB! Gainey was responsible for two of the worst trades in Canadiens' history: Gomez & Niinimaa. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 14, 2013 19:07:33 GMT -5
That comment about Huet says it all about Gainey as a trader. It just seems like he never did his homework. I think he had the same thought process when he dealt Ribiero for Niinimaa. Towards the end of the season Carbonneau wouldn't even put Niinimaa in the lineup while Ribiero was a productive player in Dallas. Not saying this is the worst deal. Just that it's indicative of the way Gainey traded. Yes, I remember the comment. How can a gm not know all of the players playing in the NHL? It baffles me. That's his JOB! Gainey was responsible for two of the worst trades in Canadiens' history: Gomez & Niinimaa. I think someone here on the boards said a short while back that if Gainey offers you a trade, you take it. I define Gainey's tenure as always "swinging for the fences." He swung for the fences with Kostitsyn and he kept swinging for the fences bringing in Gomez. He started out as a dream boss and he left being more distant than I've ever known him to be. And in each case the team reflected the same. Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Oct 28, 2014 21:41:39 GMT -5
Sometimes best trades are ones other team refuses. Found this on-line today. Habs almost traded Gumper, who would go on to be big part of 4 cups in Montreal.
"New GM Sam Pollock could be considered the Canadiens’ biggest off-season addition. Pollock went into the NHL’s summer meetings confident in the knowledge that the Canadiens were coming off a first-place finish and really had no glaring weaknesses that needed shoring up or holes that had to be filled. Rumours were flying around at the annual summer conclave that the Canadiens were eager to dump Gump Worsley, as Pollock was very comfortable with Hodge’s work. The most consistent rumour had the Habs sending Worsley to Detroit to back up young Roger Crozier, talks that seemed to intensify after Toronto took Terry Sawchuk off the Red Wings’ hands. However, the Wings wouldn’t bite on the bait that the Habs were offering, especially when Pollock’s asking price was Wings’ young forward Larry Jeffrey."
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