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Post by Yeti on Oct 25, 2003 11:30:22 GMT -5
www.rds.caGo to Pedneault' column. At the very bottom, it says that the Flames might be looking to trade Gauthier and that the Habs and Leafs are interested. Given the fact that we're doing well and that the Leafs are looking for help at the blue line, Ferguson is certainly more interested than Gainey. Does it even make sense for us?
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Post by Thomas on Oct 25, 2003 12:22:59 GMT -5
With Markov, Hainsey and Souray already on the left, I dont see why Gainey would go out and get another LD, especially considering we have 4 spare LD's as well. If Gainey was looking to get a defenseman, it would be a young RD IMO. Komisarek and Rivet are our only "young" RD, once Brisebois and Quintal are gone, we will have top hope Archer or O'Byrne are ready.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 25, 2003 13:16:43 GMT -5
I don't think I have ever seen one of Pedneault's ''rumors'' come to fruition so I don't expect this one to happen !
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Post by blaise on Oct 25, 2003 14:07:51 GMT -5
Pedneault just likes the name Gauthier. I wonder why. Maybe he'd like Koivu better if he changed his name to Quoivu.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 25, 2003 14:54:26 GMT -5
We already have a Gauthier, albeit as head of pro scouting. Let's look for another surname if we absolutely must acquire someone.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Oct 27, 2003 3:18:31 GMT -5
Gauthier is one of the best open-ice hitters in the league and a future defense tandem of him and Komo would probably make them the most feared defensive duo in the league.
Having said that, although I am a HUGE fan of Denis Gauthier, it makes absolutely no sense for Gainey to go after him.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 27, 2003 7:34:56 GMT -5
I'm with the Ghost, I absolutely love Gauthier but I don't see why we'd want to add a dmen to the mix right now. We already have problem creating a spot for a blue chipper like Komo...
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 27, 2003 8:44:57 GMT -5
I'm with the Ghost, I absolutely love Gauthier but I don't see why we'd want to add a dmen to the mix right now. We already have problem creating a spot for a blue chipper like Komo... Unless, of course, one of those blue chippers was going the other way... Calgary won't be looking to pick up expensive, over-the-hill vets, after all... |
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Post by britten on Oct 27, 2003 10:22:51 GMT -5
From what I understand about Gauthier, why would the Flames be considering trading him? Sounds like Pednault heard that the Habs were interested in Gauthier, and who isnt? I cant think of one team in the league that would not try to swing a deal for this guy. He is going to be a really good player.
Perhaps we can send Hainsey and Perrault, if we will pay 1 mil of Perrault's salary? I cant think of anything better to do with him.
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Post by MetalHab on Oct 27, 2003 11:25:30 GMT -5
Here's the quote from Spector's....
Bruce Garrioch reports the following:
- The Montreal Canadiens have held talks with the Calgary Flames regarding defenceman Denis Gauthier.
Spector's Note: I could see Bob Gainey looking to add more grit to his blueline, and I expect the Flames would want a scoring forward in return. Wonder if he'd try to send them Donald Audette?
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 27, 2003 11:29:02 GMT -5
I'd like to have Gauthier onthe roster, but I don't know if we should give up Hainsey. aside from Markov, we don't have an offensive dman in the system that we can count on being a part of our defensive core in the near future. there's PB, but his future with the Habs is always in doubt (big contract, age, his play) and isn't considered a part of the long term plan. there's also Korneev, but he's far from being a certain NHL-er let alone a top 4 dman. that's about it, I think. now, if we can get him for, say, Quintal/Beauchemin and Hossa (add a pick or another prospect, excluding Komo, Higgins, Perezhogin and Kats, if needed), and he can play on the right side, then we have a deal  . Calgary has only Warrener as a right-handed dman so two of Ference, Regehr, Lydman, Gauthier and Leopold must play as RD but I don't know which two. essentially, Gauthier replaces Q on the roster and one place for a rookie (Hainsey or Komo) would still be available. seriously, I don't know what would Calgary want, but I assume a young, inexpensive (I think this is the key word here) forward that can play right away would have to be included. If they really are looking to deal him, they should call Lacroix and see if Tanguay and Ballard/Skoula could be had. with so much power upfront, they wouldn't miss Tanguay so much and Gauthier would certainley strengthen their defence which hasn't played well so far. R. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 27, 2003 14:23:38 GMT -5
NHL salaries:
Gauthier $1.3M
Hainsey $1.075M
Komisarek $1.13M
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Post by blny on Oct 27, 2003 14:24:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Hossa to get Gauthier. Denis is a great player, but I still wouldn't give up Hossa to get him. If we could move a defenceman the other way with maybe a lesser veteran forward, then I'd do it. I had mentioned in the Yanic thread that Perreault for Gauthier straight up would be something to ponder. Calgary lacks scoring punch up the middle, and Yanic could really provide it. Yanic makes $2.8 mill, and Denis is just under two. I don't know how many years he has left on his deal, but if it's more than one, I'd offer a bargain blueliner aswell. Start with Beauchemin, then Bouillion, etc.
Gauthier has been in rumours off and on for the last year or so. I don't think it has anything to do with attitude - he seems like the Sutter type - but he's one of the few assests that other teams would have interest in (that Calgary might be willing to deal) when Calgary calls about addressing their lack of scoring.
Denis would be a fine addition. Is there any precidence to him being able to play both sides of the back line? I think it safe to say that if he were acquired, somebody on the roster would be on the way out in another deal. Quintal's value is nominal at this point. He'd be playoff depth for another team, and garner a late pick or F/C's. I'd deal Rivet for Gauthier. If they were interested. The salaries are similar, and Craig is only just 29. Denis is 27, so the age thing is a non issue.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 27, 2003 14:36:26 GMT -5
Here's the quote from Spector's.... Bruce Garrioch reports the following: - The Montreal Canadiens have held talks with the Calgary Flames regarding defenceman Denis Gauthier. Spector's Note: I could see Bob Gainey looking to add more grit to his blueline, and I expect the Flames would want a scoring forward in return. Wonder if he'd try to send them Donald Audette?and with that last phrase, spectors' credibility takes yet another immense hit....yes, BG may try, but Sutter would hang up faster than you can say Turek sucks. The key question is what do the Flames want for Gauthier? a d-man? a forward? a young goalie? rimmer, Regehr plays with Leopold and according to calgarpuck's.com game report Gauthier was paired with Warrener in their last game so he was playing the left side. |
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Post by PTH on Oct 27, 2003 16:12:31 GMT -5
Unless, of course, one of those blue chippers was going the other way... Calgary won't be looking to pick up expensive, over-the-hill vets, after all... Considering that Markov hasn't been consistent to date, I wonder if his name could be on the table. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 27, 2003 19:23:50 GMT -5
Unless, of course, one of those blue chippers was going the other way... Calgary won't be looking to pick up expensive, over-the-hill vets, after all... You're messin' with my mind here aren't ya... You wouldn't trade one of our blue chippers for a stud center prospect but you would for Gauthier...? I need your train of thoughts on this one... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 27, 2003 19:29:31 GMT -5
Considering that Markov hasn't been consistent to date, I wonder if his name could be on the table. Now guys, Gauthier is a fine defensive dmen that can hit but he can't be worth a guy Markov... can he? |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Oct 27, 2003 21:44:12 GMT -5
Gainey just might be able to pull the wool over Sutter's eyes. Sutter is a rookie GM and there is a lot of pressure on the Flames to finally make the playoffs this season.
Calgary is severely lacking in scoring punch therefore maybe an "Audette/Perreault plus draft pick" type of deal could happen.
Or maybe I'm just dreaming that a young, hard-hitting d-man could come to Montreal for over-the-hill, one-dimensional forwards.
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Post by jkr on Oct 27, 2003 23:00:44 GMT -5
and with that last phrase, spectors' credibility takes yet another immense hit....yes, BG may try, but Sutter would hang up faster than you can say Turek sucks. Marc, I think throwing in Audette's name was Spector's attempt at sarcasm. The person with the really credibility gap is Brice Garrioch. Along with Larry Brooks & Stachan, this guy leads the league in unfounded rumors. |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 28, 2003 3:05:38 GMT -5
I had mentioned in the Yanic thread that Perreault for Gauthier straight up would be something to ponder. Calgary lacks scoring punch up the middle, and Yanic could really provide it. Yanic makes $2.8 mill, and Denis is just under two. I don't know how many years he has left on his deal, but if it's more than one, I'd offer a bargain blueliner aswell. Start with Beauchemin, then Bouillion, etc. Gauthier has been in rumours off and on for the last year or so. I don't think it has anything to do with attitude - he seems like the Sutter type - but he's one of the few assests that other teams would have interest in (that Calgary might be willing to deal) when Calgary calls about addressing their lack of scoring. IMO you're underestimating Gauthier's value and overestimating the value of YP. and, as mr bozo pointed out, Gauthier earns only 1.3 mil. while YP earns 2.8 and is a UFA at the end of the season. also, I just can't picture him playing for Sutter. I'm not sure about this but I think Gauthier's contract is about to expire at the end of season and he's due for a significant raise. I believe that's why there are rumours about him being traded. R. |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 28, 2003 3:10:17 GMT -5
and with that last phrase, spectors' credibility takes yet another immense hit.... Marc, I'm with jkr on this one, I believe he was being sarcastic. thx, I didn't know that. still, maybe he could adapt to the right side (wishful thinking). R. |
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Post by blny on Oct 28, 2003 10:52:22 GMT -5
IMO you're underestimating Gauthier's value and overestimating the value of YP. and, as mr bozo pointed out, Gauthier earns only 1.3 mil. while YP earns 2.8 and is a UFA at the end of the season. also, I just can't picture him playing for Sutter. ... not our concern. I don't see that I'm underestimating Gauthier's ability. The word on him has been that he'll sacrifice position for the sake of a hit. Still, he's steady, and entering the prime of his career. Yanic isn't a Sutter guy. Few are. I think he has enough game that he could do well between Iginla and whoever. The Flames certainly need to try something different at centre on the first line. Perreault would come at a comparitive bargain. I think he's more attractive if Montreal eats salary, which may not be out of the realm of possibility. If Gauthier's contract is up, that makes him an RFA. While not as hard a hit as UFA, that certainly has an affect on his value. Any contract he signs would be for more than two million per season. Probably Klee type money. Gauthier's earnings are on the rise, while Yanic's are at best (for him) likely to remain where they are. I don't see him getting a big raise this summer. In other words, next season Denis and Yanic will be making similar numbers (IMO). I think that, and their comparable contract situations make them fairly equal trade components. A pick, or a depth type of blueliner in return should make up for age and contract status. |
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Post by britten on Oct 28, 2003 11:07:49 GMT -5
BLNY,
I dont know how to quote, so bear with me...
1. Anyone with half an offensive talent should be able to flourish with Iginla on the wing. I think that is a moot point. If they had wanted to have an offensive talent, they would have kept Savard when they had him. Perrault has a little left in the tank, but not enough to really make him attractive in the current youth movement the flames are involved in.
2. I dont know WHAT I was thinking when I posted that trade involving Hainsey and Perrault while we eat some of Perraults salary. Why would we do that? First, we HAVE Hainsey. We hae Souray, and Komo waiting. The only reason that we would want Gauthier is because, well, because we dont have him. Screw it, we don't need this trade.
3. Looking down the Calgary list of players, Im still trying to figure out why we want Gauthier. Oh, there it is. He is from Montreal. That is NOT a reason to trade for anyone. Looking at their D alone, I can see at least 3 guys who would be a better fit for us. GOD is their D young. Unreal. Nearly everyone under 26. Yikes. Why do they want to trade Gauthier? Money? They are going to trade alot of their players shortly then.
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 28, 2003 11:33:46 GMT -5
I dont know how to quote, so bear with me... in the top right corner of every post you have a 'quote' icon. click it and a message window will open with the message you wanted to quote included between the |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 28, 2003 11:49:06 GMT -5
I don't see that I'm underestimating Gauthier's ability. The word on him has been that he'll sacrifice position for the sake of a hit. well, that may be true, but he's been +11 in his career with the bad-to-average Calgary team (I believe they haven't made it to the playoffs during that span) and has been a minus player only in his first NHL season and a season in which he played only 39 games, probably because of an injury. IMHO, that makes him a pretty reliable dman. I'm pretty sure there would be much better offers for Gauthier than Perreault if he really is to be traded. R. |
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. Calgary has only Warrener as a right-handed dman so two of Ference, Regehr, Lydman, Gauthier and Leopold must play as RD but I don't know which two. essentially, Gauthier replaces Q on the roster and one place for a rookie (Hainsey or Komo) would still be available.
