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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 30, 2003 8:38:42 GMT -5
For the heck of it, I thought it would be fun to throw a couple of trade ideas in the air and see where it would take us: Trade #1: Ribeiro, Zednik, Zhogin for Marian Gaborik Wild deal away a contractual nightmare and get back plenty of fire power to make up for the lost of their star forward. Habs gain a franchise forward. Trade #2: Jose Theodore for Alex Tanguay Colorado acquires what possibly is the missing piece to get them the Stanley for the next couple of years in exchange of some offensive fire power which they are oozing with. HABS deal away a franchise goalie but Garon has looked very solid and they gain a versatile offensive forward that can play the wing when Koivu is healthy or replace him as a #1 center when the injury will hit. Trade #3: Hossa, Rivet. for Svitov and Roy Tampa deal away somewhat of a redundant asset caught in a numbers game and gain back what could be a defense stabilizer for them as well as a big winger with offensive potential wrapped in a enigma. Habs gain 2 very big and rough assets, one with a very high talent ceiling, the other, a serviceable and aggravating 4th liner. Trade #4: Yannic Perreault and Jan Bulis for Denis Gauthier Calgary deal a redundant asset for some fire power help. HABS acquire a most needed punishing dmen. I know he's a left D, but I will suppose that a guy like Markov will be able to adapt to playing right D. Trade #5: Audette and Dykhuis to Chicago for future consideration Hawks want help on D as well as some offensive help, yet doesn't want to deal youth which is the only asset they have. This deal cost them nothing but money and could solve a problem or 2. Trade #6: Andreas Dackell for some veteran backup Bob. HABS need a veteran backup to Garon, not a tough thing to find, some low value asset, low picks should do the trick. Soooooooooo, after these small changes, here is what it looks like: Gaborik – Koivu – Ryder Tanguay – Svitov – Ward Kilger – Juneau - Sundstom Langdon – Bégin - Roy Souray / Markov Gauthier / Brisebois Hainsey / Quintal Garon/ Backup Bob In the end, HABS talent pool get spread across forward/dmen/goalie in a more equal matter, we gain much needed roughness and some solid young talent to build on, while keeping some vets that prove to be able to play key roles in specific areas over the years. Should I fax this to Bob and get him to work ?  |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 30, 2003 10:02:18 GMT -5
trade #1:
possible, I'd do it if Minny would also
trade #2:
the return for Theo is waaaaay to low, IMO. Lacroix should add at least one of the following for me to even consider it:
1. Skoula/ Ballard + Sauve/Aebischer
2. Morris
trade #3:
while it could make sense player-wise, I think Rivet's contract (3 mil./season) makes him too expensive for most teams, including Tampa.
trade #4:
I'd do it in a heartbeat which is why the Flames probably wouldn't. I believe they could get a far better return for him.
trade #5:
again, I can't see any team taking more than 4.5 mil./year of salaries for two, at best, spare parts unless they're unloading some of theirs. Dykhuis, IMO, has more value alone than in a package with Audette (any player for that matter).
trade #6:
realistic, but I'm afraid we couldn't get a goalie capable of playing close to 30 games (at least not one with a reasonble salary), because I don't know if Garon is able to play in more than 50 games in his first season. my best bet would be Hurme or Kiprusoff.
sorry, Doc, but even though these are fantasy trades, at least some consideration on the part of the other team had to be taken into account.
yeah, the lineup you came up with I would rather have than what we have now.
R.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 30, 2003 12:09:49 GMT -5
For the heck of it, I thought it would be fun to throw a couple of trade ideas in the air and see where it would take us: Trade #1: Ribeiro, Zednik, Zhogin for Marian Gaborik Wild deal away a contractual nightmare and get back plenty of fire power to make up for the lost of their star forward. Habs gain a franchise forward. Trade #2: Jose Theodore for Alex Tanguay Colorado acquires what possibly is the missing piece to get them the Stanley for the next couple of years in exchange of some offensive fire power which they are oozing with. HABS deal away a franchise goalie but Garon has looked very solid and they gain a versatile offensive forward that can play the wing when Koivu is healthy or replace him as a #1 center when the injury will hit. Trade #3: Hossa, Rivet. for Svitov and Roy Tampa deal away somewhat of a redundant asset caught in a numbers game and gain back what could be a defense stabilizer for them as well as a big winger with offensive potential wrapped in a enigma. Habs gain 2 very big and rough assets, one with a very high talent ceiling, the other, a serviceable and aggravating 4th liner. Trade #4: Yannic Perreault and Jan Bulis for Denis Gauthier Calgary deal a redundant asset for some fire power help. HABS acquire a most needed punishing dmen. I know he's a left D, but I will suppose that a guy like Markov will be able to adapt to playing right D. Trade #5: Audette and Dykhuis to Chicago for future consideration Hawks want help on D as well as some offensive help, yet doesn't want to deal youth which is the only asset they have. This deal cost them nothing but money and could solve a problem or 2. Trade #6: Andreas Dackell for some veteran backup Bob. HABS need a veteran backup to Garon, not a tough thing to find, some low value asset, low picks should do the trick. Soooooooooo, after these small changes, here is what it looks like: Gaborik – Koivu – Ryder Tanguay – Svitov – Ward Kilger – Juneau - Sundstom Langdon – Bégin - Roy Souray / Markov Gauthier / Brisebois Hainsey / Quintal Garon/ Backup Bob In the end, HABS talent pool get spread across forward/dmen/goalie in a more equal matter, we gain much needed roughness and some solid young talent to build on, while keeping some vets that prove to be able to play key roles in specific areas over the years. Should I fax this to Bob and get him to work ? You left out the ushers from the old Forum and the hot dog vendors. This would really change the makeup of the team, getting rid of veterans and keeping prospects. #1. Ottawa didn't give in to holdout Yashin until they could get Speeza. Nordiques ditto on holdout Lindros until they got Forsberg. Gaborik looks like another Yashin. Character teams don't build with holdouts. #2. At one time we thought Theo was worth Iginla not Tanguay. #3. I like Svitov, can do without Rivet's contract, Hossa is only 21 and has the bloodlines and has shown a few straeaks of scoring. Gotta give to get. OK, do it! #4. Perrault is ageing but productive, Bulis an enigma, don't really know enough about Gautier (is he better than Komisarek?) #5. Audette and Dykhuis for Dyment would be OK! #6. How about just take Dackell and keep the veteran backup. A draft pick is enough. #7. The end result lineup is bigger and better than what we have now! |
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2003 16:23:56 GMT -5
Hehehe, good job Doc these are fun  Trade #1: Ribeiro, Zednik, Zhogin for Marian Gaborik Wild deal away a contractual nightmare and get back plenty of fire power to make up for the lost of their star forward. Habs gain a franchise forward. I'd do it for sure. Gaborik is just a special player. What Kovalchuk is doing right now is what Gabby could be doing if he was playing in the NHL. He's that good. He's only 21 years old. Not enough in my mind. What would Tanguay be doing without Forsberg and Hejduk? Toss in Breezy, let them toss in Morris, pay some of the cash and now we are talking.. Like it, not too sure TB would do it though. Pretty fair deal if the Flames could take on Perreault's salary(I doubt they can, so may we need to pay a part of it again.. ;D) Don't see why the Hawks would want them since they are in hardcore rebuilding, but if they do...let's car pool Audette and Dykhuis to the airport.. ;D Indeed, with teams like SJ carying 3 goals something could easily be done. |
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Post by GoMtl on Oct 30, 2003 16:55:45 GMT -5
For the heck of it, I thought it would be fun to throw a couple of trade ideas in the air and see where it would take us: Trade #1: Ribeiro, Zednik, Zhogin for Marian Gaborik Wild deal away a contractual nightmare and get back plenty of fire power to make up for the lost of their star forward. Habs gain a franchise forward. Ugly... Gaborik isn't worth what he wants... He's looking for over 4M a year... Didn't we learn a lesson with Theo? Why pay the Wild that much to rid them of a problem? Cancel Ribeiro off that list... With PM Bouchard they don't need him anyways I'd entertain the idea of trading Theodore seriously. But Alex Tanguay is a guy who i'm not that certain of. He very well could be living off of his linemates, it's unproven, I most certainly do NOT think he can carry a ling with an AHL center (Svitov) and a 4th line winger (Ward)... That's a recipe for disaster, as bad as what we've seen in the past. Why do we give up our 3rd best defender along with one of our top 6 forwards for a center who couldnt make a weak Tampa 3rd line?! Sure they have Vinny and Brad, but Don't tell me a #3 overall pick, big, defensive center shouldn't beat out journeyman Tim Taylor after 3 years... Something's wrong here, and I wouldn't pay who wrong players to get potentially none... Even if Svitov still has 2nd line potential... Hossa for Svitov would interest me a lot more. Denis Gauthier is like 27, and he's never been more than a #4 defenseman... Sure he's a great fit in Montreal, but not at the expense of Jan Bulis, our best two way forward. Bulis should be a mainstay on this team for many years to come, especially when it seemed he was on the verge of breaking out offensively last season. The Flames can't afford Perreault unless we paid half his salary... So how about we pay half and chage Bulis to Sundstrom or Kilger. In a perfect world, yeah I'd love this trade... But if they wanted either of these culls than they'd have picked em up over waivers. Upon trading Theo this would be a smart move, but we might have to add a pick. Personally other than the 1st line this line up looks as bad as what we have now... AHLer centering the 2nd line, no scoring on any line other than the first... Defense doesn't look much better either, although u do propose a Markov/Souray pairing, which is something I've been pondering.... Anyone know if Mark or Shelly can play the right side? |
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Post by ForgottenRebel on Oct 30, 2003 22:07:12 GMT -5
Doc i love that lineup, someone make it happen!
As for Svitov being an AHLer i think he's counting on him progressing and becoming a NHLer
I think Komo deserves to be on that blue line though
and i would like to see sundstrom out, for a good young guy with some serious wheels
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Post by blaise on Oct 30, 2003 22:21:53 GMT -5
I'd go for #1 if available but not for #2. Théodore (or any #1 goalie) is worth a lot more than Tanguay. To solidify the point, Théodore already has his third shutout, this time against the Bruins in overtime. Not a mean feat. Théodore also has some one goal games. He's outplaying Hasek for sure so far.
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Post by franko on Oct 30, 2003 23:06:22 GMT -5
Trade #3: Roy Habs gain . . . a serviceable and aggravating 4th liner. Habs gain nothing lose everything. Roy is not a person you want in the dressing room or on the ice--can't control himself (think a bad version of Tucker). |
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Post by Forum Ghost on Oct 31, 2003 0:05:19 GMT -5
The Theo trade could be improved. I like Marc's suggestion of the Habs throwing in Breezy while the Avs give up Morris. If the deal is then Theo & Breezy for Tanguay & Morris, I would do it in a heartbeat. (wasn't this the rumour that kept us busy during the summer months?) Other then that, I can't seem to find any flaws in any of the other proposals. Le Club adds youth and size and is able to balance out their pool of talent. I LIKE IT! Doc, fax it over to Gainey ASAP. |
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Post by Rimmer on Oct 31, 2003 3:13:33 GMT -5
Theo + PB is way too much for Morris + Tanguay, IMHO, unless you're looking to dump salaries. also, you have to take into account that Lacroix could want Theo more than we need Morris and/or Tanguay.
R.
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Post by britten on Oct 31, 2003 6:40:40 GMT -5
 I would NEVER trade Theo alone for Tanguay and Morris. How many games have those guys won single handedly in the last three years? How many SO's does Theo have THIS YEAR? My point of contention is Tanguay. If we were not going to do that trade this summer, then there is no way that we are going to do it now while Theo is hot. Tanguay is not worth it. Morris, I think that everyone sees the value in. However, we need more, and right now Colorado is looking good without Theo.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 31, 2003 8:41:38 GMT -5
I would do it in a heartbeat. (wasn't this the rumour that kept us busy during the summer months?) Yes, from Chris ''all of a sudden very quiet'' Michaud ;D |
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Post by blaise on Oct 31, 2003 11:14:50 GMT -5
The absence of Théodore would make the Habs very vulnerable at the most important position. A complement of Garon plus Damphousse or Michaud would scare no one. Fichaud is not NHL caliber.
What would be the upside of such a trade for the Habs? Not much. How many goals would Tanguay get? What would be his +/-? And is Morris that wonderful a defenseman? He hasn't resembled an all-star in the Avs games on TV. Better develop Hainsey and Komisarek. Even if they're not as good as Morris they'd be playing in front of better goaltending.
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Post by FormerLurker on Nov 1, 2003 13:22:02 GMT -5
t Trade #3: Hossa, Rivet. for Svitov and Roy Tampa deal away somewhat of a redundant asset caught in a numbers game and gain back what could be a defense stabilizer for them as well as a big winger with offensive potential wrapped in a enigma. Habs gain 2 very big and rough assets, one with a very high talent ceiling, the other, a serviceable and aggravating 4th liner. I've never seen Svitov play, but I like what I've read about him. Could be the perfect 3rd line center down the road, putting up big minutes against top lines. According to HF, he's very physical, plays an excellent two-way game, and has always played as his team's main defensive forward. Forecaster says that he plays the role of instigator to perfection. He's already got 25 PIMs this year in Hamilton. Bulis-Svitov could be two thirds of one of the best defensive lines in the league when we're ready for our cup run. |
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