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Post by AH on Nov 5, 2003 12:29:22 GMT -5
He's playing great.
Finally healthy.
Player we have been waiting for since he arrived.
Great guy.
Great attitude.
We need guys like him.
Looking past all that.
He is injury prone.
This is a contract year.
This may be a career year like many others before him (Zednik, Mccabe, etc).
He will get us the big offensive player we need to build this franchise.
I would love to keep him, but when GMs come calling they want Souray, Markov, or Komi.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 5, 2003 12:38:04 GMT -5
I agree that a serious trade will certainly have to involve a guy we don't want to see moving. Wether it's Souray, Markov, Hainsey, Komo, Theo, Zednik or Koivu. These are the guys with the best trade value IMO.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 5, 2003 13:19:42 GMT -5
So you're finally coming around, AH.
Only yesterday you were calling me crazy for wanting to move players that we actually like, and that we should just resign ourselves to the fact that we are lousy this year and that Gainey will deal with our problems next year when guys like Juneau and Perreault are gone. Now you want to deal our toughest blueliner and best player on the team to date. What gives?
Anyway, I don't have a problem dealing Souray, but I'm not sure if he would command the high level forward we're looking for unless packaged in a larger deal.
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Post by del on Nov 5, 2003 17:05:04 GMT -5
AH - I find trading a player that will leave a hole in the line up in one position, for a player that will fill a hole in another, is counterproductive.
The idea of trading assets for somthing you need is that you have a surplus of players in the position you are trading away - do we really have a surplus of front line D? I don't think so!
Komi should be there to complement Souray, not replace him, so I don't think trading Souray is a good idea.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 5, 2003 17:35:56 GMT -5
AH - I find trading a player that will leave a hole in the line up in one position, for a player that will fill a hole in another, is counterproductive. The idea of trading assets for somthing you need is that you have a surplus of players in the position you are trading away - do we really have a surplus of front line D? I don't think so! Komi should be there to complement Souray, not replace him, so I don't think trading Souray is a good idea. Hainsey would be able to step in if Souray is traded. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2003 18:25:42 GMT -5
You think he's only performing well just because this is the final year of his contract?
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 19:46:51 GMT -5
Hainsey would be able to step in if Souray is traded. You really think so? |
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Post by jennypotatoes on Nov 5, 2003 20:19:05 GMT -5
I'm stunned and speechless.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 5, 2003 20:30:38 GMT -5
Why wouldn't he be able to? Would Hainsey be that much worse than the way some of our other d-men are playing right now? As mentioned by some other posters, what's keeping Hainsey out of regular employment is his head, not his poor play. Has he looked that out of place in any of the games that he's played thus far? Besides, he would be asked to step in for Sheldon Souray, not Scott Stevens. It wouldn't be too much of a step down, if Ron plays the way that he's capable of playing. The main reason Souray's looking so good this season, is because our other Habs are looking so bad. |
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Post by ForgottenRebel on Nov 5, 2003 22:19:39 GMT -5
Trade Souray fine
but don't trade komo, or any of our other prospects or young guys
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 23:32:46 GMT -5
Why wouldn't he be able to? Would Hainsey be that much worse than the way some of our other d-men are playing right now? As mentioned by some other posters, what's keeping Hainsey out of regular employment is his head, not his poor play. Has he looked that out of place in any of the games that he's played thus far? Besides, he would be asked to step in for Sheldon Souray, not Scott Stevens. It wouldn't be too much of a step down, if Ron plays the way that he's capable of playing. The main reason Souray's looking so good this season, is because our other Habs are looking so bad. So putting in Hainsey and letting him play as badly as the other D wouldn't be noticeable? You don't think the fans would get on his case and bitch and moan about the loss of Souray? If that's what you believe you might as well call up Dykhuis. |
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 23:36:45 GMT -5
Trade Souray fine but don't trade komo, or any of our other prospects or young guys Trade Souray fine? What's so fine about it. Who else hits? Who else has a cannon of a shot? Souray makes mistakes but he adds things none of the others do. |
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Post by Thomas on Nov 5, 2003 23:40:20 GMT -5
If Gainey was to trade one D, id rather it be Souray then Markov, Hainsey or Komisarek. Hopefully none of them will have to be traded, thats a nice top 4 D corps. The one thing I really dont see Gainey doing is trading Komisarek at this point, not because hes untouchable in that way, but because our future at RD is Komisarek, and thats pretty much it. Our D of the future pretty much looks like this (at this point): Markov - Komisarek Hainsey -  Souray - Trading one of the LD wouldnt hurt that much, wed still have 2 good young LD, but if I had to choose one, I'd say Souray would be the first one to go. Markov has sown the talent to be a #1 defenseman, and our PP QB for the future, while Hainsey has so much skill, it would be a shame to give up on it. his "Hollywood" attitude would also lower his trade value at this point. Souray is the oldest one, and the most injury prone, as well as our best D right now, meaning his value is at its highest. |
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 23:47:36 GMT -5
He's playing great. Finally healthy. Player we have been waiting for since he arrived. Great guy. Great attitude. We need guys like him. Looking past all that. He is injury prone. This is a contract year. This may be a career year like many others before him (Zednik, Mccabe, etc). He will get us the big offensive player we need to build this franchise. Injury prone? How do you know he isn't completely healed? What part of his body is bound to go bad? How do you know this is his career year and that he can't have another? How do you know Markov didn't have a career year? How do you know the "big offensive player" will be the one to turn the team around? Maybe he'll prove less valuable to the Habs than Souray is right now. IMO your arguments are pure conjecture. Fortunately, Gainey would give the matter serious consideration and listen to the advice of his staff before making such a move. |
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