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Post by HaBs4LiFe3 on Nov 6, 2003 20:27:56 GMT -5
Gainey should seriously consider acquiring Taylor Pyatt or Krys Kolanos. Pyatt is a big strong winger who will developp into a scoring threat. He is the young power forward we need. And Kolanos is a large center who has lots of skill and size to match it. Any other suggestions for big young forwards? I think those are the 2 most reasonable choices that I wish we had....
Shane Doan is untouchable unfortuneatly but Kolanos, who knows.. maybe we can get him.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 7, 2003 0:32:09 GMT -5
Both Pyatt and Kolanos are 22 years old and are considered future top-six forwards... it seems that they may be untouchables already.
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Post by HABSLAND on Nov 7, 2003 1:05:28 GMT -5
I agree Kolanos would be welcomed with open arms, I would doubt Phoenix will give him up especially with the amount of skill we have here.
But if Gainey can work out something by giving draft picks or youth, he should look at him, I think he will become a great player in this league
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Post by blny on Nov 7, 2003 7:36:17 GMT -5
Pyatt has been in rumours before, so that isn't a huge stretch. That said, the Sabres aren't going to be keen to move Tayler to a team in their own division if they do move him.
Kolanos may be untouchable at this point. He's shown some real flashes the last two years, and I believe he's comeback from a serious injury (not sure if this is true, just comes to mind).
There is lots of beef worth looking at, but what do we offer in return. Teams we'd talk to about a move are gonna want guys like Hainsey, Komo, Hossa, Zed in return. If I'm GM the young defencemen are untouchable. Studs on the back end are harder to come by. We'd have to be getting a PREMIUM player in return.
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Post by Rimmer on Nov 7, 2003 9:37:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's very realistic for us to trade for Pyatt or Kolanos unless we overpay greatly. why would a team want to trade a young (22), talented PF in the making? would you?
IMO, our scouts would have to look into some prospects who didn't exactly meet expectations for some reason (injury, problems with a coach, inability to crack talented rosters, etc.) but who could yet turn things around in a proper environment and realize their potential. such players could come relatively cheap (prospects, immediate veteran help or picks). the best example is Todd Bertuzzi.
one player that comes to my mind is Fedor Fedorov. he's in a similar situation like our Hossa, a younger, bigger and less talented brother of an NHL star. he had a bit of an attitude problem after he didn't crack the Canucks' roster last season and was sent to the minors. this year the same thing happened but I've read that he changed his attitude and started working a lot more to get to the NHL again. he's currently leading his team in scoring and is among the top scorers in the AHL. he's 22, with a good 6-3, 200+ frame and, according to the reports, a fast skater with a good shot. he's not as talented as Sergei and needs to improve on his defense (which young player doesn't?) but he could be worth a gamble. I can only speculate what would it take to get him but I would consider something along Plekanec or late 2nd round (maybe add another late pick to that).
there may be others like him that I'm not aware of, or I might be underestimating his value to the Canucks but I think Savard and Gauthier should look to improve our team that way.
R.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 7, 2003 10:48:27 GMT -5
Had a nice, long reply typed up last night, and then I made a spelling mistake. So I decided to hit Control Z, assuming that would erase the last thing I typed. It erased everything I typed. Decided to kick the dog, and go to bed.
Kolanos has had big time concussion problems, and the injury he suffered last year was a scrambled noodle, which caused him to miss all but 2 games. I would be extremely wary of picking up a 22 year old (or thereabouts) who plays a physical game, and who has already suffered a major brain trauma. He may recover, but he may end up playing like Lindros – afraid to get hurt… Especially if he suffers another one.
No reason for the Sabres to give up on Pyatt. He’s young, he’s cheap, he has (I think) 9 points in 13 games, he’s big, he bashes. Why would any team give up somebody like that, unless they were making a run at a Cup? (which the Sabres aren’t)
If we want big, young guys, we have to look at the non-offensive types, who would nonetheless fit in well on our team. The Chad Kilger types. Picking up more Chad Kilgers certainly isn’t all that sexy (unlike me in that Halloween CatWoman suit I was wearing – hubba! hubba!), but its much easier to do. We got Kilger for Zholtok, if you recall, and while Sergie has done very well for himself in Minnesota, I don’t think there are many who would reverse the trade for Montreal. So we have to look at guys who are young, cheap, big, and who don’t score much, but bring a physical, energy game. Like Jason Ward, and when he’s on, Kilger. I’m thinking guys like Erik Rasmussen, Adam Mair, Manny Malhotra, that sort of thing. They won’t turn your team around right away, but you get enough of them, and suddenly you start becoming a difficult team to play against. They won’t score, but they bang around, and make some room for the smaller guys, who can then work their offensive magic.
This is going to be a long haul. There will be no one-trade that solves all our ills. We have to aim our sites lower, and pick up team guys, who better fit a team concept. I was very skeptical of the Begin acquisition, but so far he has looked great in Montreal, because he is the type of player Montreal needs. There are lots of guys like that who are available, but nobody gets all that excited about them. I would bet these are the guys Gainey is targeting.
Or he could go for the home-run, what do I know?
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 7, 2003 10:58:23 GMT -5
How about Pavel Brendl? 6'0'', 22 years old. Great player in junior(player of the year), just hasn't seem to break out in the NHL. Isn't Julien suppose to be great with kids?
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Post by blny on Nov 7, 2003 11:19:14 GMT -5
Had a nice, long reply typed up last night, and then I made a spelling mistake. So I decided to hit Control Z, assuming that would erase the last thing I typed. It erased everything I typed. Decided to kick the dog, and go to bed. I hate it when that happens!  ;D Kolanos has had big time concussion problems, and the injury he suffered last year was a scrambled noodle, which caused him to miss all but 2 games. I would be extremely wary of picking up a 22 year old (or thereabouts) who plays a physical game, and who has already suffered a major brain trauma. He may recover, but he may end up playing like Lindros – afraid to get hurt… Especially if he suffers another one. Good point. However, that might make him easier to get and thus less of a gamble. No reason for the Sabres to give up on Pyatt. He’s young, he’s cheap, he has (I think) 9 points in 13 games, he’s big, he bashes. Why would any team give up somebody like that, unless they were making a run at a Cup? (which the Sabres aren’t) I agree. He has been in rumours, but I think that he is the player they intend to build around. He could be another Bertuzzi in a year or two. If we want big, young guys, we have to look at the non-offensive types, who would nonetheless fit in well on our team. The Chad Kilger types. Picking up more Chad Kilgers certainly isn’t all that sexy (unlike me in that Halloween CatWoman suit I was wearing – hubba! hubba!), but its much easier to do. We got Kilger for Zholtok, if you recall, and while Sergie has done very well for himself in Minnesota, I don’t think there are many who would reverse the trade for Montreal. So we have to look at guys who are young, cheap, big, and who don’t score much, but bring a physical, energy game. Like Jason Ward, and when he’s on, Kilger. I’m thinking guys like Erik Rasmussen, Adam Mair, Manny Malhotra, that sort of thing. They won’t turn your team around right away, but you get enough of them, and suddenly you start becoming a difficult team to play against. They won’t score, but they bang around, and make some room for the smaller guys, who can then work their offensive magic. I think any of those would be good pickups, but where do you put them. We'd have to clear room on the 3rd and 4th line for those guys. There are guys that we'd like to remove, but there aren't any takers. I'd also hate to give up a fine prospect for a third line role player. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 7, 2003 16:39:06 GMT -5
Or he could go for the home-run, what do I know? I vote for the home run. Pickups like Begin are nice to round out the core group, but too many of those and you end up with different flavor of the Habs: instead of too many small, softies who can't score, you have too many big stiffs who can't score. Guys like Perreault and Audette have virtually no value. At this point the only value is addition by subtraction in dumping the guys who aren't putting in the effort. However, it would be kind of embarassing for Gainey if he expects to send a message to the team or the fans by dumping Perreault, unless he's just clearing the decks for something bigger. The fans aren't stupid. Either try to win with what you have or do something bold to change things. To me getting rid of Yanic is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. |
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