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Post by HabSolute on Jun 17, 2014 9:00:06 GMT -5
Douglas Murray, here is a guy who doesn't hurt our cap. He is not going to impact Tinordi or Beaulieu's development as he only consumes 5 minutes of ice time in the games where he actually plays. He is too slow to be a top four D but there are situations and teams against whom he is extremely valuable, not as a fighter, but clearing the slot and throwing the occasional wake up check. He makes opponents more honest and aware. I want to see him back, maybe not for three years and $18 million dollars, but a lot less. www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201406/17/01-4776452-le-canadien-laisse-aller-douglas-murray.phpQuick translation.... His agent said, Habs will likely not make an offer to Murray, but MB has not completely shut the door yet......
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 17, 2014 9:04:38 GMT -5
Douglas Murray, here is a guy who doesn't hurt our cap. He is not going to impact Tinordi or Beaulieu's development as he only consumes 5 minutes of ice time in the games where he actually plays. He is too slow to be a top four D but there are situations and teams against whom he is extremely valuable, not as a fighter, but clearing the slot and throwing the occasional wake up check. He makes opponents more honest and aware. I want to see him back, maybe not for three years and $18 million dollars, but a lot less. www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201406/17/01-4776452-le-canadien-laisse-aller-douglas-murray.phpQuick translation.... His agent said, Habs will likely not make an offer to Murray, but MB has not completely shut the door yet...... With MT as coach, I worry that his love of vets will make him choose to play murray over a kid.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 17, 2014 13:20:45 GMT -5
We've got 17 players signed with about 25M in cap space. Assuming PK gets 8.25 and Markov gets 5.75 it will leave us 11 mill to sign 4 more (Eller, White, Weaver and another forward) so we can get to the 23 man roster, I think this might leave vanek out because MB likes having cap space at the trade deadline. We could free up 900K if MB trades Budaj and Tokarski, at 562k, takes his place.
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Post by sergejean on Jun 17, 2014 15:29:26 GMT -5
Douglas Murray, here is a guy who doesn't hurt our cap. He is not going to impact Tinordi or Beaulieu's development as he only consumes 5 minutes of ice time in the games where he actually plays. He is too slow to be a top four D but there are situations and teams against whom he is extremely valuable, not as a fighter, but clearing the slot and throwing the occasional wake up check. He makes opponents more honest and aware. I want to see him back, maybe not for three years and $18 million dollars, but a lot less. www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201406/17/01-4776452-le-canadien-laisse-aller-douglas-murray.phpQuick translation.... His agent said, Habs will likely not make an offer to Murray, but MB has not completely shut the door yet...... MB is just being polite. There is no way Murray is coming back next year.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2014 19:44:48 GMT -5
James Neal anyone? Dreger said that teams are calling. He wouldn't say that the Pens have made Neal available, but teams are calling. He's certainly benefited from playing in Pittsburgh, but I've liked his offensive skills since his first season in Dallas. He's got some questions around his attitude, and a rep for questionable hits. Still, he's a big body with skill and the ability to finish. His cap hit is $5 million through 2018, his NMC doesn't kick in until 2015-16.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 23, 2014 20:13:42 GMT -5
I like the skill set, but not his mental discipline. At key times, he will break down and hurt the team. I think I'd pass.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2014 20:41:26 GMT -5
... I would target Iginla if he doesn't extend with Boston, I'm not sure Boston has the cap space for Iginla ... they have to move a few salaries out ... wouldn't mind seeing Iggy in Montreal ... he'd be the kind of character guy that Bergevin covets and I think he'd be a top-six guy avec les habs ... I don't know what his problem is ... I used to really like this guy and I remember someone mentioning that he had no heart ... well, he certainly ended up that way ... he's hard to figure out ... one night he scores three goals and most other nights he's hard-pressed to make the 4th line ... [/quote] Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2014 20:57:38 GMT -5
I like the skill set, but not his mental discipline. At key times, he will break down and hurt the team. I think I'd pass. He's certainly a risk. With the right mentorship, who knows. Berg has brought in a lot of guys to the office whose job is to develop people. Maybe they can work some magic. His skills and cap hit are certainly attractive. I have no idea what the Pens would ask for in return. Likely want Max. If we could do a Gorges-centered deal, I think it would be the ideal scenario.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2014 21:04:13 GMT -5
James Neal anyone? Dreger said that teams are calling. He wouldn't say that the Pens have made Neal available, but teams are calling. He's certainly benefited from playing in Pittsburgh, but I've liked his offensive skills since his first season in Dallas. He's got some questions around his attitude, and a rep for questionable hits. Still, he's a big body with skill and the ability to finish. His cap hit is $5 million through 2018, his NMC doesn't kick in until 2015-16. He's a finisher, but he's awfully streaky ... that and, like seventeen, I'd question his discipline ... he's probably got another good suspension left in him ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2014 21:09:05 GMT -5
James Neal anyone? Dreger said that teams are calling. He wouldn't say that the Pens have made Neal available, but teams are calling. He's certainly benefited from playing in Pittsburgh, but I've liked his offensive skills since his first season in Dallas. He's got some questions around his attitude, and a rep for questionable hits. Still, he's a big body with skill and the ability to finish. His cap hit is $5 million through 2018, his NMC doesn't kick in until 2015-16. He's a finisher, but he's awfully streaky ... that and, like seventeen, I'd question his discipline ... he's probably got another good suspension left in him ... Cheers. Patches is every bit as streaky. If Neal can reign in the dirty stuff, but still play with edge, he's a great addition.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2014 21:46:19 GMT -5
He's a finisher, but he's awfully streaky ... that and, like seventeen, I'd question his discipline ... he's probably got another good suspension left in him ... Cheers. Patches is every bit as streaky. If Neal can reign in the dirty stuff, but still play with edge, he's a great addition. We'll need some goals, no denying that ... Neale can provide that, yes ... I think I'd prefer Iginla, though ... still tough as nails and he can mentor some of the youth that will, hopefully, making the club over the next few years ... Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 23, 2014 21:48:29 GMT -5
Patches is every bit as streaky. If Neal can reign in the dirty stuff, but still play with edge, he's a great addition. We'll need some goals, no denying that ... Neale can provide that, yes ... I think I'd prefer Iginla, though ... still tough as nails and he can mentor some of the youth that will, hopefully, making the club over the next few years ... Cheers. This!! If we can get him on a one year deal!!
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Post by blny on Jun 23, 2014 21:57:21 GMT -5
Patches is every bit as streaky. If Neal can reign in the dirty stuff, but still play with edge, he's a great addition. We'll need some goals, no denying that ... Neale can provide that, yes ... I think I'd prefer Iginla, though ... still tough as nails and he can mentor some of the youth that will, hopefully, making the club over the next few years ... Cheers. He's still capable of 30 and 30, but it would have to be very short term. He'll be 37 on July 1. His contract with Boston was for a base of $1.8 million and he made $4.2 million in bonuses. I'm not interested in him at $6 million, and I don't want to get caught up in bonuses that could lead to the penalties the Bruins are facing. He's an option, but he wouldn't be my first.
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Post by franko on Jun 23, 2014 22:12:41 GMT -5
... Stewart, which I don't like as much as Iginla ... I don't know what his problem is ... I used to really like this guy and I remember someone mentioning that he had no heart ... well, he certainly ended up that way ... he's hard to figure out ... one night he scores three goals and most other nights he's hard-pressed to make the 4th line ... don't we already have that person signed for another couple of years?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2014 22:19:17 GMT -5
I don't know what his problem is ... I used to really like this guy and I remember someone mentioning that he had no heart ... well, he certainly ended up that way ... he's hard to figure out ... one night he scores three goals and most other nights he's hard-pressed to make the 4th line ... don't we already have that person signed for another couple of years? Just one? Cheers.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 24, 2014 7:06:15 GMT -5
Neal is good, would cost roster players that improve the other team. Stewart as well. These are two guys that would require something we don't want to give and in return we get either a streaky player a la Bourque or a guy who plays too close to the edge. If we want to pay that type of price, why not see what E.Kane would cost. Maybe a bit more than Neal, a lot more than Stewart, but offers plenty more upside. Anyone Imagine Kane streaking down the left wing with Galchenyuk at center and Gallagher on the right? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge0K5Isxst4
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Post by christrpn on Jun 24, 2014 8:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2014 15:03:25 GMT -5
Worth noting is that starting tomorrow teams can contact player agents for pending UFAs not already a part of their roster. So, if Berg had set eyes on Gaborik, for example, he could see what it would take to make a deal happen and be ready for Saturday with an official offer.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 24, 2014 16:10:47 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2014 13:28:14 GMT -5
Just going to note this here as well (have ufa tracker thread going in Non-Habs). Gaborik just signed a 7 year deal with Kings for $34.3 million. That's a cap hit of $4.9 million a year, down more than $2.5 million from his expiring contract. Huge pay cut. IMO, given his playoff success this year, it certainly sets the bar. Vanek shouldn't expect anymore than that from a team imo (barring compensating for differences in taxation).
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 25, 2014 13:51:40 GMT -5
Given Vanish's performance, it will cost him a million...but he still will get his 6 or more.
NHL GM's are not known for their wise fiscal prudence when it comes to FA's.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 25, 2014 14:28:53 GMT -5
Just going to note this here as well (have ufa tracker thread going in Non-Habs). Gaborik just signed a 7 year deal with Kings for $34.3 million. That's a cap hit of $4.9 million a year, down more than $2.5 million from his expiring contract. Huge pay cut. IMO, given his playoff success this year, it certainly sets the bar. Vanek shouldn't expect anymore than that from a team imo (barring compensating for differences in taxation). It's an interesting comp. Gaborik and Vanek are comparable players in terms of production with career PPG of 0.87 for Gaborik and 0.84 for Vanek. But over the last 3 years, Vanek has been more productive with a PPG of 0.88 compared to 0.78 for Gaborik, and he's also 2 years younger than Gaborik. 7 years is a long way to go for a 32-year old with 14 years in the NHL (see buyout Brad Richards) but I suspect the Kings wanted to keep the cap hit to a minimum in exchange for more term. I still think Vanek will command more money than Gaborik - he's younger, less mileage, he's been more productive, and more durable. I don't think Gaborik's strong playoff or Vanek's comparatively weaker playoff production should make much difference. The Ryan Callahan deal is relevant too. 6 years with a $5.8 million cap hit. Callahan is 29 but with a career PPG of 0.57 he's nowhere close to the production of Vanek. Lots of leadership with Callahan, but again I think the bar for Vanek is still around $7 million a year.
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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2014 15:24:05 GMT -5
I think the Bolts are borderline out to lunch on that Callahan contract. Their fans might be drinking the koolaid, but he's already shown signs of slowing down - after a career year of 54 points. 3 years into that deal, and I think they're gonna regret it.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2014 13:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 26, 2014 13:50:16 GMT -5
I don't care much for Briere, actually, very little, but we do need some more offense.
I'll be glad to see him go (offer free packing and valet service to airport) IF we have some other new source of offense.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 26, 2014 14:38:12 GMT -5
I don't care much for Briere, actually, very little, but we do need some more offense. I'll be glad to see him go (offer free packing and valet service to airport) IF we have some other new source of offense. I read Roy would do Brière/Parenteau...
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2014 15:01:38 GMT -5
Saw the rumour about Briere. Despite his timely offense come the playoffs, there's no room for him either. 13th forward should be a guy like Biznasty or better.
Pacioretty-DD-$$ $$-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Weise-Eller-Bourque/Bournival Prust-White-Moen
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2014 16:22:11 GMT -5
I think the Bolts are borderline out to lunch on that Callahan contract. Their fans might be drinking the koolaid, but he's already shown signs of slowing down - after a career year of 54 points. 3 years into that deal, and I think they're gonna regret it. Guys that play a 'grinding' ( ) type of game are naturally going to wear out faster than someone who avoids contact (Vanek / Patches). So yes, I totally agree blny, I wouldn't have paid that money. The Rangers didn't want to pay that money, but Yzerman does. I wonder if the glow will wear off at some point. St. Louis was obviously miffed at something, though at face value, it didn't appear Yzerman did anything odd or out of line. Curiouser and curiouser. That contract is going to limit Tampa's flexibility down the road and we know what the Cap can make you do, or not do when you want to make a move (Gomez).
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Post by Skilly on Jun 26, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5
I don't care much for Briere, actually, very little, but we do need some more offense. I'll be glad to see him go (offer free packing and valet service to airport) IF we have some other new source of offense. I read Roy would do Brière/Parenteau... I hope Bergevin would too .... Parenteau is very under-rated in my opinion
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 27, 2014 12:09:34 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie twitter has us after Garrison.
"Hearing TB and MTL as potential landing spots for Garrison. TB was interested in Garrison when he was UFA and chose VAN."
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