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Post by habsorbed on May 4, 2015 23:47:22 GMT -5
Lots of damage control and necessary butt-kissing from MT happening today. "I'm old school with those things," Therrien said on a conference call Monday. "I'm a true believer that what's in the dressing room should stay in the dressing room, what's on the ice and comments should stay on the ice. And we'll take care of that internally."
Therrien said he had not heard from the league regarding Prust's comments. Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, Prust can not be suspended.
Prust could, however, be fined. The NHL docked Alexandre Burrows of the Vancouver Canucks US$2,500 in 2010 for detrimental comments about referee Stephane Auger.
Therrien did not seem concerned about Prust's comments having a negative effect on the rest of his team's series against the Tampa Bay Lightning. "We all understand they have a difficult job, it's not always easy for referees," Therrien said. "They try their best. What happened yesterday, it happened yesterday, and my only concern is on our next game."www.tsn.ca/therrien-says-he-ll-talk-to-prust-about-ref-comments-1.275097MT strikes me as a bit of a hypocrite saying the refs try their best. He was singing a different song after the game 1 loss due to the blown off-side call. i'm prepared to cut a ref some slack on missing a bang bang play but i'm cutting no slack on goading a player while they're sitting in the penalty box. Prust was where he was suppose to be. Watson had no business standing and finger wagging Prust in front of 20,000 people. Moreover, what did Prust say that is deserving of a sanction. If he was speaking the facts of what the ref said, nothing wrong with that. He's merely repeating what the ref said. Not aware of anything improper there. If there was anything proper in repeating what the ref said it was because of what the ref said. Ref should not be saying anything on the ice that he would not want repeated after the game. Then Prust said Watson thinks he's God and wants to control the game. Not sure there is anything wrong with that. I thought refs were suppose to control the game. In any event, I don't condone what Prust did as it will not help us, but I fully support him calling out a ref who has acted improperly by standing at the penalty box and taunting a captured audience. Very unprofessional.
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Post by habsorbed on May 4, 2015 23:50:25 GMT -5
Another thing that bothers me. Why did Watson give Prust an extra 2 minutes and penalize the whole team. Why not a 10 minute misconduct. What is the rule on that?
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Post by habsorbed on May 4, 2015 23:52:23 GMT -5
Boys should just stick to hockey. If we get beat by a hot goalie, so be it. That often happens. But let's not beat ourselves like we did in game 2.
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Post by BadCompany on May 5, 2015 7:10:49 GMT -5
Another thing that bothers me. Why did Watson give Prust an extra 2 minutes and penalize the whole team. Why not a 10 minute misconduct. What is the rule on that? I thought the extra two minutes was because Prust kept punching Coburn after the whistle, trying to draw Coburn into a coincidental minor. Coburn kept his hands down, so Prust ended up with the extra penalty. Everything else was just circus.
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Post by franko on May 5, 2015 7:34:39 GMT -5
Another thing that bothers me. Why did Watson give Prust an extra 2 minutes and penalize the whole team. Why not a 10 minute misconduct. What is the rule on that? I thought the extra two minutes was because Prust kept punching Coburn after the whistle, trying to draw Coburn into a coincidental minor. Coburn kept his hands down, so Prust ended up with the extra penalty. Everything else was just circus. nope, Prust actually got a "T" (I thought that only happened in b'ball). 2 for unsportsmanlike. Fraser says he's a marked man now for saying “I thought the original call was kind of soft and I let him know it on the way to the penalty box . . . He kept provoking me. He came to the box and called me every name in the book.
He called me a piece of you know what, a mother-f’er, coward, said he’d drive me right out of this building. I kept going, ‘Yeah OK, yeah OK, yeah OK.’ He kept on me, he kept on me. I kept saying ‘Yeah OK.’ I wasn’t looking at him and he (gave Prust the unsportsmanlike). That’s the ref he is. He tried to play God. He tries to control the game and he did that tonight.”I hope if Prust is given a questionable penalty he says something like "ya, I guess I am a marked man and that the refs are just going to keep proving themselves (and I hope MB will pick up the slack and pay the fines . . . I mean, Prust can't afford the $2,500!).
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Post by flowerpower on May 5, 2015 8:04:12 GMT -5
Lots of damage control and necessary butt-kissing from MT happening today. "I'm old school with those things," Therrien said on a conference call Monday. "I'm a true believer that what's in the dressing room should stay in the dressing room, what's on the ice and comments should stay on the ice. And we'll take care of that internally."I'm behind Prust on this one. Without ref Brad Watson insulting him in public, nothing happens. Michel Therrien will not rally his players by talking about "The Code". The Habs have achieved great things this year from October 2014 to February 2015 but since the beginning of March they have barely played .500 hockey. When the going gets rough, this team seems to disappear. One Year it's the Flyers, another year it's the Rangers and this year, it's the Lightning.
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Post by jkr on May 5, 2015 9:11:19 GMT -5
I thought the extra two minutes was because Prust kept punching Coburn after the whistle, trying to draw Coburn into a coincidental minor. Coburn kept his hands down, so Prust ended up with the extra penalty. Everything else was just circus. nope, Prust actually got a "T" (I thought that only happened in b'ball). 2 for unsportsmanlike. Fraser says he's a marked man now for saying “I thought the original call was kind of soft and I let him know it on the way to the penalty box . . . He kept provoking me. He came to the box and called me every name in the book.
He called me a piece of you know what, a mother-f’er, coward, said he’d drive me right out of this building. I kept going, ‘Yeah OK, yeah OK, yeah OK.’ He kept on me, he kept on me. I kept saying ‘Yeah OK.’ I wasn’t looking at him and he (gave Prust the unsportsmanlike). That’s the ref he is. He tried to play God. He tries to control the game and he did that tonight.”I hope if Prust is given a questionable penalty he says something like "ya, I guess I am a marked man and that the refs are just going to keep proving themselves (and I hope MB will pick up the slack and pay the fines . . . I mean, Prust can't afford the $2,500!). IMO Watson comes off looking worse here than Prust. He's the authority figure here & supposed to be in control. To start spewing obscenities & engage in name calling is childish & bush league. This is ECHL caliber officiating.
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Post by Polarice on May 5, 2015 9:19:20 GMT -5
From what I understand they pulled Watson off the series.
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Post by Forum Ghost on May 5, 2015 9:25:57 GMT -5
The Canadiens' mantra since Bergevin and Therrien took over is "No Excuses", so it's time to stop looking to blame a missed offside, a biased referee, etc., and it's time to start playing hockey. IMO there's a little too much whining coming from the Habs these days and I don't like it.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 5, 2015 9:39:29 GMT -5
I agree FG, the excuses and childish behavior just dig the boys into a deeper hole. Time for the Berg to sit down with the lads and remind them what it takes to win and what it means to wear that jersey.
Score a few goals and nobody is scrambling for silly excuses.
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Post by franko on May 5, 2015 10:00:25 GMT -5
IMO Watson comes off looking worse here than Prust. He's the authority figure here & supposed to be in control. To start spewing obscenities & engage in name calling is childish & bush league. This is ECHL caliber officiating. obscenities aside, what was he doing following Prust to the penalty box and taunting him? seems (from a homer perspective) that he was looking for an excuse to react.
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2015 10:08:29 GMT -5
We have a perception that the officiating guys are a close knit, "us against the world" society and that is likely true to an extent. But they're also human beings with all the traits of the rest of society. Which means that some of them are jerks who we wouldn't want to spend a moment with. I also bet they're not all bosom buddies because of that. What if you have to share a room (do they share rooms?) with a guy who snores? Wouldn't that tick you off? So, perhaps they aren't going to stick up for each other if they guy 'slighted' (Watson in this case) is less than respected by the group. We shall see.
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Post by Gogie on May 5, 2015 11:05:18 GMT -5
I think the Watson incident is a tempest in a teapot. At the end of the day the officials are professionals, just like the players. They are monitored and evaluated on their on-ice performance, the same as the players. At the end of the day, those that don't perform will be dealt with accordingly (given less important games in the future, given remedial training or demoted/fired - yes, it does happen). At the end of the day this incident is not going to influence what happens on the ice to any significant degree. The officials are human, but I'm sure they also want to keep their jobs. Let's play on fellas. We got us some work ahead of us and we don't need any distractions.
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Post by franko on May 5, 2015 11:56:06 GMT -5
ya, fact is the game is played on the ice, and the Habs just aren't playing all that well. or not well enough to put the biscuit in the basket.
as to the refs, that's gotta be a thankless job. fans hate 'em for missing calls and for over-calls, GMs tell them to start calling everything and then tell them to lay off . . .
boys . . . just go out there tonight and ignore them.
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Post by Disp on May 5, 2015 12:42:03 GMT -5
I'm betting that this and the Gallagher incidents aren't the only ones. The others were probably handled through the proper channels and the answer from the league was basically go eff yourself.
Sure Prust broke the code. I think there is also a code of fairness that maybe the league didn't handle to the habs satisfaction. They probably just swept it under the rug. Prust has made them do something about it, or at least acknowledge it, if nothing else.
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Post by jkr on May 5, 2015 12:53:36 GMT -5
I'm betting that this and the Gallagher incidents aren't the only ones. The others were probably handled through the proper channels and the answer from the league was basically go eff yourself. Sure Prust broke the code. I think there is also a code of fairness that maybe the league didn't handle to the habs satisfaction. They probably just swept it under the rug. Prust has made them do something about it, or at least acknowledge it, if nothing else. This. Poor behaviour goes both ways - players and referees. The players behaviour is usually handled publicly. It's about time referees' behaviour is handled openly too.
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2015 13:08:03 GMT -5
At Habs practice this morning, Beaulieu there, but wearing a tinted visor. My totally non-medical Brain Surgery for Idiots manual says that the tint is to cut down on glare from lights which can cause or exacerbate headaches.
Christian Thomas also at practice.
Neither is part of the lines or pairings that anyone has tweeted. DD en route but may not play tomorrow. I think he'll play if he's there.
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Post by CentreHice on May 5, 2015 14:57:27 GMT -5
Prust ApologizesCanadiens head coach Michel Therrien on Monday said he believes what is said on the ice should stay on the ice. Therrien on Tuesday said he sat down with Prust and talked to him about it. Therrien said Prust is an emotional player who wants to win, but the coach said the player did the right thing in apologizing.
Asked specifically again what he was apologizing for, Prust said:
"I am apologizing for everything. I am apologizing to Brad. It should stay out on the ice. We got heated and I should know more than anybody what happens out there stays out there and there's a code and there's an honor. After the game I was not myself. I was fired up, I was out of my mind. If I could do it all over again, I probably wouldn't have even went in to do interviews. But what's done is done, and we move on."
Prust said he had not reached out to Watson, although he said he figured he might be hearing from Campbell at some point.
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Post by Polarice on May 5, 2015 15:18:43 GMT -5
I wonder if Watson will apologize?
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Post by Disp on May 5, 2015 15:27:04 GMT -5
I wonder if Watson will apologize? He should, he broke the fairness "code" first, but they're not allowed to talk. I hate this "code" crap. It warps common sense. Usually it's just used as something to hide behind.
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2015 15:28:11 GMT -5
I'd like to know how many stiches Prust required on his tongue after he was finished apologizing? It was the right thing to do, even if Brandon didn't really mean it. It has to be put out of the way and apologizing is the right way to hopefully close out that chapter. Thanks Brandon.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 5, 2015 15:33:27 GMT -5
I'd like to know how many stiches Prust required on his tongue after he was finished apologizing? It was the right thing to do, even if Brandon didn't really mean it. It has to be put out of the way and apologizing is the right way to hopefully close out that chapter. Thanks Brandon. Well said, 17 ... Cheers.
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Post by HFTO on May 5, 2015 17:08:33 GMT -5
Problem the damage is done, it won't help the Habs cause going forward,they are already a marked team and this incident will make it worse.
As for game 3 say your prayers what needs to happen and has to happen has been obvious for to long now.....DD with his 2 goals in 35 games is on his way too the rescue.
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Post by Polarice on May 5, 2015 17:28:34 GMT -5
Prust fined $5000, Campbell said he was lying.
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Post by Skilly on May 5, 2015 17:57:29 GMT -5
I didn't believe Prust either .... On one replay where Watson follows him it's clear he is asking "What did you say?"
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Post by Disp on May 5, 2015 18:11:21 GMT -5
Prust fined $5000, Campbell said he was lying. Like a bully reaction to being tattled on. Hopefully we don't get it worse now. Or maybe not. Maybe it has to be pushed to ridiculous levels before it returns to normal.
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2015 18:12:26 GMT -5
Prust fined $5000, Campbell said he was lying. Wow, I guess Campbell should know as he's had tons of experience.
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Post by seventeen on May 5, 2015 19:22:49 GMT -5
Campbell also decreed Prust's comments "baseless and demeaning". I thought Watson's comments were baseless and demeaning, but Campbell is saying that Watson never said those things and Prust is making it up. I think Bob McKenzie was way too nice to Colin Campbell in Chapter One of his book.
Since Campbell put himself in charge of the "enquiry" into the Prust/Watson affair, any other result than the one that resulted would have defibillators across the country charging up.
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Post by CentreHice on May 5, 2015 19:34:32 GMT -5
Yet Chara was telling the truth when he said he didn't know Pacioretty was on the ice...and had no idea that he was near the stanchion....and that Max kind of jumped into it.
Wait, I forgot....Mike Murphy handled that issue, as it would have been a conflict of interest for Campbell.
He's so honest, isn't he?
This is the guy who saw no reason to suspend Matt Cooke for his blindside elbow to Marc Savard's head....only to find out later, via emails, that he didn't care too much for Savard. Demeaning language used.
NHL Credo: Do as we say, not as we do.....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 5, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
I've been giving Brandon Prust the benefit of the doubt, but there's a pattern ... he called former Ottawa coach, Paul MacLean, a walrus and he later apologized for that, too ... don't get me wrong, Brad Watson is not getting a free pass ... I think the worse thing an official can be tagged with is being a "showboat" ... Watson has to conduct himself professionally at all times ... once a referee allows emotion to get the best of him he's done ... and if what Reaper said is true, then I think Watson might be done for this series ...
Cheers.
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