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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 7, 2015 12:19:13 GMT -5
FWIW, food for thought. Berg would have a bit of juggling to do, but the dominoes are lining up. Keep in mind he can play all three forward positions. After all this talk about how we are going to stick with building thru the draft..doesn't seem like Bergeron will be trading our first for Sharp.... If I were a guessing man I would think try first a guy like sharp or David Perron(??) without caving into sending them high value futures...if that doesn't work try for a reclaimation project(St.Loius??) or just go with youth(Hudon, Andrighetto....) I expect us to trade someone from the blueline( Emelin or Gilbert)
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Post by blny on Jun 7, 2015 16:27:39 GMT -5
I think Perron, given how bad things went in Pittsburgh, would be cheap, but barking up the same tree that PAP and Briere were in. Building through the draft is great, and all the great teams have core pieces that came from the draft. However, they also augmented their roster when the core group reached a point. The window for our core is open. Now is the time to add. If Berg found a way, through more than one deal perhaps, to add a high second round pick and move our first to address the scoring need that would be a successful draft imo. A high second won't be far removed in skill and ability from where we're picking now.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2015 15:51:56 GMT -5
A little update on where the Habs find themselves against both the cap and the 50 contract limit as two key dates (draft day and July 1st free agent day) approach.
36 players under contract.
18 likely NHL roster players under contract (Subban, Price, Markov, Petry, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Emelin, Parenteau, Gallagher, Desharnais, Eller, Gilbert, Prust, Weise, DeLaRose, Pateryn, Smith-Pelly, Tokarski).
$64.3M cap hit from those 18 players.
Cap is expected to be at least $71M, so say the Habs have about $7M to sign 5 roster players.
9 RFA's to sign, let go, or at least provide a qualifying offer to maintain their NHL rights (Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Thomas, Nygren, Tangradi, Bournival, Bowman, Flynn).
I expect 3 RFA's will be signed and part of the NHL lineup (Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi - has to clear waivers this year).
Nygren should get a QO to keep his rights while he goes home and sucks lollypops in the SHL (no need to lose his rights over nothing). This will not count against the 50 contract limit.
Thomas and Bournival are good depth, and are likely resigned as AHL depth/call ups.
3 guys are in the unknown zone for me (Tangradi, Bowman, Flynn). The former two provided good depth and a bit of experience in Hamilton last year, so if not them, then likely some others. Flynn I really don't know. He had some good games in the playoffs when he played. Is he worth a contract spot?
TJ Hensick was the Dogs' leading scorer last year. He was on an AHL contract. Do they lowball him and ask him back hoping he will stay on an AHL contract or do they offer him up one of the two way deals and replace either Tangradi or Bowman?
The Ice Caps will also need to add some D depth/veterans. The Habs will have 8 defenders under contract once Beau and Tinordi sign, and they likely don't want to risk losing either on waivers for nothing. Does that mean they move Gilbert/Pateryn (they could still lose him) down until injuries prevail, or do they try to move one of Emelin, Gilbert or Pateryn?
There may be a couple of roster spots at most left. If the Berg wants an impact forward, it means that some players, contracts and salary will need to move.
Otherwise, this team will look pretty darn similar to last year. They may be giving a kid or two a chance to crack the lineup, but current management does like its experienced depth.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 9, 2015 17:25:25 GMT -5
If those numbers are correct, and I have no doubt they are, here's a speculative projection: Galchenyuk - $3MM, Beaulieu 1.5, Tinordi 1.1, = 5.6. Let's say they're able to get Mitchell at 1.4. Poof, there goes your $7MM.
That leaves Bournival, Flynn and Thomas (guys who you might want around as depth) playing for free. (not really, of course). That tells me that not only might Berg move some salary, he'll have to, to fit under the CAP. I'll go out on a limb and say right now that Emelin and Pleks are on their way out. Other guys who could also be moved to free up space (with varying returns of course) are P.A. Parenteau, DD, Eller, Gilbert and Prust.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 9, 2015 17:39:04 GMT -5
They need help up front only Galchenyuk has the potential to improve significantly....Patches and Gallagher are at their peak for the most part.
Pleks and DD won't get better,Father Time says at best they stay the course one more year....Eller?, May have the potential but the numbers say he is a 15 G 30-40 pt guy DLR has room but history says it's very limited and Smith Pelly looks the same.
Honestly if Galchenyuk reaches his potential this team could have 2 good goal producers and a bunch of interchangeable pluggers ...right now that "IF" is a big one!
If it does come to fruition as long as Chucky remains a 20 g guy they need to develop another couple consistent 20g and they maybe they are in business offensively.
The next question is how will the be in the offensive department going forward on the back end as that is a big part in a teams overall success creating "O" as well.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2015 17:52:24 GMT -5
If those numbers are correct, and I have no doubt they are, here's a speculative projection: Galchenyuk - $3MM, Beaulieu 1.5, Tinordi 1.1, = 5.6. Let's say they're able to get Mitchell at 1.4. Poof, there goes your $7MM. That leaves Bournival, Flynn and Thomas (guys who you might want around as depth) playing for free. (not really, of course). That tells me that not only might Berg move some salary, he'll have to, to fit under the CAP. I'll go out on a limb and say right now that Emelin and Pleks are on their way out. Other guys who could also be moved to free up space (with varying returns of course) are P.A. Parenteau, DD, Eller, Gilbert and Prust. All plausible. I'm still a proponent of buying PAP out if a buyer can't be found.
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2015 18:47:36 GMT -5
TSN insiders saying that Eric Staal's agent is meeting with the Canes, and that extension talks are heating up. If a deal can't be reached relatively soon, for less than he's making now, Carolina will put him on the market - NTC or no. Worth noting that his agent, Rick Curran, also represents Jordan Staal, Jeff Skinner, and at least one other Cane I can't think of.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 10, 2015 7:58:45 GMT -5
Otherwise, this team will look pretty darn similar to last year. They may be giving a kid or two a chance to crack the lineup, but current management does like its experienced depth. Just to nit-pick I guess it would depend on how you define "last year". If you mean "last game of the playoffs" then sure, I suppose. But if we're talking about first game of last year's season then I think there has been a lot of turnover, and dare I say improvement. Rene Bourque, Manny Malhotra and Mike Weaver all played close to, or over 13 minutes in that first game, according to NHL.com. Tom Gilbert played over 22 minutes. Sergie Gonchar was still playing over 20 minutes a game well into late January. That's four guys that I think we've improved on over the course of the season, either through internal growth or acquisition, and a fifth (Gilbert) who should see a diminished role, more in line with his actual ability. Which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I'm still okay with the Berg waiting until next year's deadline to continue re-making this team. Especially if he's able to free up some cap space and thus have a whack of it available next spring. I've mentioned before that while it's still very, very early in the process next year's UFA crop is looking a lot better than this year's, which means that the deadline could have a lot more bigger names available. I'm not opposed to Bergevin making a splash at the draft or over the summer, but I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't think he HAS to. Yet. In my opinion the team HAS improved over last year's team (on paper), and Bergevin has shown that he's not afraid to make in-season adjustments and moves when the opportunity arises.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 10, 2015 8:35:57 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to Bergevin making a splash at the draft or over the summer, but I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't think he HAS to. Yet. I might be an even smaller minority when I say that the solution for our goal-scoring woes might come from within the organization ... I'm not saying Marc Bergevin won't pull of a deal to bring a scorer in, but I don't which team would be willing to give a scorer up, and then there's the cap issue, as well ... I couldn't tell you who he'd go after, but at the same time, if it were up to me, I wouldn't look at Patrick Sharp ... I said it earlier in the season, but I just don't think he's the answer ... he won't have Toews or Kane to play with in Montreal ... Most of the season I was saying that the club is a lot better than they were showing (better than second overall in the league, at that) and the Tampa series sort of validated that for me ... I know they couldn't score too many goals, but at the same time they were the better team in the series, and not just because of Carey Price (the regular season is a different story) ... just want to know where that effort was earlier in the year ... #brokenrecordCheers.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 10, 2015 8:43:27 GMT -5
The only way we are gonna add someone is if its a bad contract coming our way....ie Kessel. I can see a trade going something like PAP, a prospect(hudon,Scherbak) and a first.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 10, 2015 9:02:42 GMT -5
Somehow, someway, someone is getting traded out of Montreal this summer. Marc likes to have a little cap space to start the year and I think we have 7 million for 5 players. So the most likely are:
Parenteau Emelin Plekanec Gilbert Eller
I know I'm in the minority with this, but I like Emelin. He brings an element to the back end that we don't have too much in. He can block shots and hit like a truck. Eller I think got overpaid on his latest contract but I think he's sticking around. That leaves the guys with one year remaining on their contracts. I think those are the most likely to get moved.
Also Tinordi has got to clear waivers next fall, and I don't think Montreal wants to lose him in waivers. He either gets signed/assured a spot or is traded this summer.
I can live with: Subban Markov Petry Emelin Bealieu Pateryn Tinordi
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 10, 2015 10:17:07 GMT -5
Somehow, someway, someone is getting traded out of Montreal this summer ... I think we have 7 million for 5 players. If he gets a taker for PA Parenteau, I suspect it will be for a similar type of contract, unless he's included in a multi-player kind of deal ... as you suggested, Marc Bergevin does like having wiggle room in his cap space and moving someone out might be the most viable option ... I don't know who, or what contract, would be moved out ... I feel there's just too much hype surrounding the Tomas Plekanec rumour to make it believable for me ... I'm not saying he's the one that will or won't be moved out, I'm just saying there was far too much attention given to it ... Lars Eller and Alexei Emelin's names were tagged by the media as the two players available from Montreal ... I have no idea whether that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one or both moved if the right deal came along ... I read on other sites that Evgeni Malkin and Rick Nash could very well be available ... nice to think about, but there's that friggin' cap space issue again ... the same would hold true if Eric Staal were to become available, too ... having said that, I like the Petry signing, but unless Bergevin can free up the cap space, salvation may have to come from within the organization and I wouldn't be opposed to that either ... all that said, Bergevin seems to have a plan ... have to wait to see how it unfolds, I guess ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 10, 2015 11:16:08 GMT -5
I'd be OK with Berg just dumping some salary on D to create flexibility to use either this summer or down the road.
Again, almost $7 million tied up between Emelin and Gilbert is just too much, especially when we have viable options internally at a fraction of the cost.
It's a tough off-season with very little in the way of UFAs and teams just don't want to give up scoring, but it's also Berg's job to get the most value out of his roster. Ideally he could find a partner like Edmonton who has a ton of cap space and could take on a guy like Emelin without sending salary back the other way.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 10, 2015 11:46:26 GMT -5
I'd be OK with Berg just dumping some salary on D to create flexibility to use either this summer or down the road. Again, almost $7 million tied up between Emelin and Gilbert is just too much, especially when we have viable options internally at a fraction of the cost. It's a tough off-season with very little in the way of UFAs and teams just don't want to give up scoring, but it's also Berg's job to get the most value out of his roster. Ideally he could find a partner like Edmonton who has a ton of cap space and could take on a guy like Emelin without sending salary back the other way. Emelin has a Limited NTC. That makes it more difficult.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 10, 2015 11:50:28 GMT -5
Coyotes are saying that they are willing to trade their 1st round pick (3rd overall). Wouldn't it be sweet if we could dump some of these contracts along with a couple prospects for that 3rd!!
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Post by seventeen on Jun 10, 2015 12:07:48 GMT -5
It seems the Yotes are desperate. Obviously they need help right now, rather than 3 or 4 years from now, when this pick will have an impact on their team. It's survival time in Phoenix.
That will give Berg and every other GM a chance to get a pretty good player. Unfortunately the drop off from 2 to 3 is substantial. Still....worth taking a shot at.
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2015 13:18:26 GMT -5
Yotes having a town hall meeting tonight to decide whether or not their lease gets nixed by the city. If it does, call the movers.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 10, 2015 13:25:35 GMT -5
From what I'm hearing, if it is nixed, its to renegotiate the lease. Perhaps they are going to bend to the Yotes request.
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Post by jkr on Jun 10, 2015 13:31:28 GMT -5
Coyotes are saying that they are willing to trade their 1st round pick (3rd overall). Wouldn't it be sweet if we could dump some of these contracts along with a couple prospects for that 3rd!! Picking ahead of the Leafs would be very sweet.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 10, 2015 13:55:21 GMT -5
It seems the Yotes are desperate. Obviously they need help right now, rather than 3 or 4 years from now, when this pick will have an impact on their team. It's survival time in Phoenix. That will give Berg and every other GM a chance to get a pretty good player. Unfortunately the drop off from 2 to 3 is substantial. Still....worth taking a shot at. McDavid and Eichel are excellent, but I think Strome will work out to be a great NHLer. But you are absolutely right, Phoenix is in NOW mode for sure.
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Post by franko on Jun 10, 2015 16:22:10 GMT -5
It seems the Yotes are desperate. Obviously they need help right now, rather than 3 or 4 years from now, when this pick will have an impact on their team. It's survival time in Phoenix. That will give Berg and every other GM a chance to get a pretty good player. Unfortunately the drop off from 2 to 3 is substantial. Still....worth taking a shot at. McDavid and Eichel are excellent, but I think Strome will work out to be a great NHLer. But you are absolutely right, Phoenix is in NOW mode for sure. actually, after tonight Phoenix might be in WHERE mode.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 10, 2015 16:22:22 GMT -5
Otherwise, this team will look pretty darn similar to last year. They may be giving a kid or two a chance to crack the lineup, but current management does like its experienced depth. Just to nit-pick I guess it would depend on how you define "last year". If you mean "last game of the playoffs" then sure, I suppose. But if we're talking about first game of last year's season then I think there has been a lot of turnover, and dare I say improvement. Rene Bourque, Manny Malhotra and Mike Weaver all played close to, or over 13 minutes in that first game, according to NHL.com. Tom Gilbert played over 22 minutes. Sergie Gonchar was still playing over 20 minutes a game well into late January. That's four guys that I think we've improved on over the course of the season, either through internal growth or acquisition, and a fifth (Gilbert) who should see a diminished role, more in line with his actual ability. Which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I'm still okay with the Berg waiting until next year's deadline to continue re-making this team. Especially if he's able to free up some cap space and thus have a whack of it available next spring. I've mentioned before that while it's still very, very early in the process next year's UFA crop is looking a lot better than this year's, which means that the deadline could have a lot more bigger names available. I'm not opposed to Bergevin making a splash at the draft or over the summer, but I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't think he HAS to. Yet. In my opinion the team HAS improved over last year's team (on paper), and Bergevin has shown that he's not afraid to make in-season adjustments and moves when the opportunity arises. It would also depend on how someone defines "improvement". We started the season 8-3-1, with a 9% power play and a 86.3% penalty kill, scored 31 goals , and gave up 33. We ended the season 6-6, with a 5.6% power play and a 70% penalty kill, scoring 25 goals and gave up 29.
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Post by franko on Jun 10, 2015 16:38:48 GMT -5
We ended the season 6-6, with a 5.6% power play and a 70% penalty kill, scoring 25 goals and gave up 29. I'm more cynical. we ended the season 2-4,scoring 13 (6 one night) and giving up 17; scoring as many PK goals as PP goals; the PP stunk and the PK wasn't a whole lot better.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 10, 2015 16:53:42 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to Bergevin making a splash at the draft or over the summer, but I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't think he HAS to. Yet. I might be an even smaller minority when I say that the solution for our goal-scoring woes might come from within the organization ... I'm not saying Marc Bergevin won't pull of a deal to bring a scorer in, but I don't which team would be willing to give a scorer up, and then there's the cap issue, as well ... I couldn't tell you who he'd go after, but at the same time, if it were up to me, I wouldn't look at Patrick Sharp ... I said it earlier in the season, but I just don't think he's the answer ... he won't have Toews or Kane to play with in Montreal ... Most of the season I was saying that the club is a lot better than they were showing (better than second overall in the league, at that) and the Tampa series sort of validated that for me ... I know they couldn't score too many goals, but at the same time they were the better team in the series, and not just because of Carey Price (the regular season is a different story) ... just want to know where that effort was earlier in the year ... #brokenrecordCheers. You and Bad Company are making a lot of sense... Just don't see a Kessel or Sharp coming in.... Bergeron hasn't been willing to part with our core to make a big splash.i think it's due to our core not being so big.... Subban, Price, Max, Gallagher or Galchenyuk will not be traded nor will our 1st rounder for the foreseeable future as well as our top prospects IMO...doesn't leave a lot to package together for a big splash type of trade Maybe another summer at the bargain bin(briere, parenteau) type trade
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 10, 2015 16:59:49 GMT -5
I can't tell what we need. Would anyone have called Tyler Johnson a superstar before these playoffs? The guy was undrafted…yet, he's having the Cup run of a lifetime.
So maybe we don't need that big stud centre...just more Gallaghers with size.
(But a big stud centre would still be fine….)
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Post by Skilly on Jun 10, 2015 20:36:11 GMT -5
We ended the season 6-6, with a 5.6% power play and a 70% penalty kill, scoring 25 goals and gave up 29. I'm more cynical. we ended the season 2-4,scoring 13 (6 one night) and giving up 17; scoring as many PK goals as PP goals; the PP stunk and the PK wasn't a whole lot better. I'm willing to go back to the trade deadline ... We were 41-16-5 at the deadline. From the deadline to getting eliminated, with most the new acquisitions, we went 15-12-5 over the last 32 games. Barely over 0.500. Now, let's assume we play at the same pace next season, waiting for the deadline. We'd have 70 points at next year's deadline which would have put us in 9th this year, one point ahead of 10th. Waiting, in my opinion, means waiting until July 1 2016, cause we'd be comfortable sacrificing next season
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2015 21:06:55 GMT -5
Waiting, in my opinion, means waiting until July 1 2016, cause we'd be comfortable sacrificing next season The potential UFA crop for 2016 is certainly much more appealing than this year, but fewer and fewer key pieces are making it to the UFA market while in their prime. I think a team interested in a 2016 UFA is more likely to be able to sign that player if they trade for them, have a positive year with them in the fold, and lock them up like Montreal did Petry.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 10, 2015 21:38:18 GMT -5
It seems the Yotes are desperate. Obviously they need help right now, rather than 3 or 4 years from now, when this pick will have an impact on their team. It's survival time in Phoenix. That will give Berg and every other GM a chance to get a pretty good player. Unfortunately the drop off from 2 to 3 is substantial. Still....worth taking a shot at. Strome's 129 points are a nice drop off. Not generational talent, but pretty darn good.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 10, 2015 21:40:20 GMT -5
McDavid and Eichel are excellent, but I think Strome will work out to be a great NHLer. But you are absolutely right, Phoenix is in NOW mode for sure. actually, after tonight Phoenix might be in WHERE mode. Quebec or Seattle lol?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 10, 2015 21:44:59 GMT -5
Otherwise, this team will look pretty darn similar to last year. They may be giving a kid or two a chance to crack the lineup, but current management does like its experienced depth. Just to nit-pick I guess it would depend on how you define "last year". If you mean "last game of the playoffs" then sure, I suppose. But if we're talking about first game of last year's season then I think there has been a lot of turnover, and dare I say improvement. Rene Bourque, Manny Malhotra and Mike Weaver all played close to, or over 13 minutes in that first game, according to NHL.com. Tom Gilbert played over 22 minutes. Sergie Gonchar was still playing over 20 minutes a game well into late January. That's four guys that I think we've improved on over the course of the season, either through internal growth or acquisition, and a fifth (Gilbert) who should see a diminished role, more in line with his actual ability. Which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I'm still okay with the Berg waiting until next year's deadline to continue re-making this team. Especially if he's able to free up some cap space and thus have a whack of it available next spring. I've mentioned before that while it's still very, very early in the process next year's UFA crop is looking a lot better than this year's, which means that the deadline could have a lot more bigger names available. I'm not opposed to Bergevin making a splash at the draft or over the summer, but I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't think he HAS to. Yet. In my opinion the team HAS improved over last year's team (on paper), and Bergevin has shown that he's not afraid to make in-season adjustments and moves when the opportunity arises. All fair points BC. I was hoping to point out our current status and ground a bit of our cap and contract reality. I too think we improveded. I also think we need to improve a bit more. Doesn't have to be this summer, but that tends to work the best. Although, the Berg has been crafty at the deadline, more so than most. Fun to provoke discussion on that front as we here are prone to do.
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