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Post by seventeen on Oct 1, 2015 13:29:05 GMT -5
Those LaPresse projections seem right to me. Not sure about Hudon replacing Pleks. Could be, I guess, especially if there's a CAP issue but otherwise DD's skill set and Hudon's skill set match up better. DLR will indeed have to be sent to St. John's to avoid losing someone else on waivers, at least until the lineup sorts itself out. Perhaps that's why BC was interested in Flynn's work on the PK unit today?
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Post by PTH on Oct 3, 2015 14:30:56 GMT -5
Of course, DD has a cheap contract, Plek's is unsigned after this season, so having Plek on the 3d line with the idea of replacing him with a kid next season makes plenty of sense.
I expect to see Tinordi dealt or on waivers shortly.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 3, 2015 15:29:30 GMT -5
Of course, DD has a cheap contract, Plek's is unsigned after this season, so having Plek on the 3d line with the idea of replacing him with a kid next season makes plenty of sense. I expect to see Tinordi dealt or on waivers shortly. I was thinking shorter term but factoring in the contracts it's hard to see Pleks here after this year unless he accepts a pay cut.
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Post by stoat on Oct 3, 2015 16:22:41 GMT -5
Of course, DD has a cheap contract, Plek's is unsigned after this season, so having Plek on the 3d line with the idea of replacing him with a kid next season makes plenty of sense. I expect to see Tinordi dealt or on waivers shortly. I was thinking shorter term but factoring in the contracts it's hard to see Pleks here after this year unless he accepts a pay cut. I'd consider trading him at the deadline, BUT ONLY IF ONE OF THE ROOKIES SHOWS A LOT, which I doubt will happen).
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2015 1:25:24 GMT -5
I was thinking shorter term but factoring in the contracts it's hard to see Pleks here after this year unless he accepts a pay cut. I'd consider trading him at the deadline, BUT ONLY IF ONE OF THE ROOKIES SHOWS A LOT, which I doubt will happen). The only way we trade him before the playoffs is in: a) a hockey trade or b) if we are totally out of hope of making noise in the playoffs And IMO A) is unlikely, since what we'd want in return is what contenders don't want to give up (ie, solid performers today, not futures)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 4, 2015 7:25:44 GMT -5
I expect to see Tinordi dealt or on waivers shortly. He'll never clear waivers ... they were talking about it on TSN690 a few weeks back ... Cheers.
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Post by jerry_dog on Oct 4, 2015 10:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Oct 4, 2015 11:03:19 GMT -5
That's a large truck with a lot of damage.Must have hit that tree pretty hard. I'm not liking this story. I will jump to conclusions and assume the 24 year old male in the truck is Kassian and the reason he is not driving is because he is not capable. The season hasn't started yet & he's already screwing up.
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2015 11:56:07 GMT -5
That's a large truck with a lot of damage.Must have hit that tree pretty hard. I'm not liking this story. I will jump to conclusions and assume the 24 year old male in the truck is Kassian and the reason he is not driving is because he is not capable. The season hasn't started yet & he's already screwing up. Meh. At least he wasn't driving.
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Post by Douper on Oct 4, 2015 12:17:45 GMT -5
Tinordi's done in Montreal. I expect a deal in the next couple of days. Real lack of confidence and hockey sense. Too bad, hate to give up on a 6,6 dman who can skate.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 4, 2015 13:00:34 GMT -5
That's a large truck with a lot of damage.Must have hit that tree pretty hard. I'm not liking this story. I will jump to conclusions and assume the 24 year old male in the truck is Kassian and the reason he is not driving is because he is not capable. The season hasn't started yet & he's already screwing up. Not jumping to conclusions either but perhaps the Canucks knew what they were giving up. If the driver or Kassian were impaired, I got two words for Zach: "Good Bye!!". Has a poor pre-season, goes -2 in the last game and is out drinking that night. Lets you know what kind of person he is. Let's move on. We got a Cup to win. Don't need the distraction.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 4, 2015 13:22:00 GMT -5
I'd do some investigating first. If there is some sort of off-ice problem and the Canucks had already tried to help Kassian through it, I might have less patience than if he'd been left to resolve it on his own. From some stories I read, it appears Vancouver had worked with Kassian last year, though I assumed that related to on-ice improvement. With this latest happenstance, one can take a differing viewpoint on those Vancouver stories. Anyway, the first duty, especially if the team was unaware of any off ice issues, is to try and help the player work through them. That's a win-win, while just saying goodbye hurts both parties.
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2015 13:27:01 GMT -5
Tinordi's done in Montreal. I expect a deal in the next couple of days. Real lack of confidence and hockey sense. Too bad, hate to give up on a 6,6 dman who can skate. The "rabidhabs" site has a nice article comparing him with O'Byrne... much of what was written 5 years ago about OB would apply just as well to Tinordi. It's a shame; we traded up to get a low-downside, "safe" pick in the first round, and it won't work out.... I think most people were expecting a 6'6 version of Gorges as the likely outcome (a dominant defensive partner for a Markov or Subban being the upside).... and I was expecting the equivalent of Pateryn as the downside.... Looks like we'll be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him.
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2015 13:29:06 GMT -5
I'd do some investigating first. If there is some sort of off-ice problem and the Canucks had already tried to help Kassian through it, I might have less patience than if he'd been left to resolve it on his own. From some stories I read, it appears Vancouver had worked with Kassian last year, though I assumed that related to on-ice improvement. With this latest happenstance, one can take a differing viewpoint on those Vancouver stories. Anyway, the first duty, especially if the team was unaware of any off ice issues, is to try and help the player work through them. That's a win-win, while just saying goodbye hurts both parties. I suspect that the Habs were very aware of any off-ice issues and took a calculated risk in trading for him... we didn't give up much, but we got a high-upside player. But he has had issues reaching his potential, and part of the reason for that might be off-ice issues. Bergevin is generally well-connected, I think he had the gist of the story, in any case.
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Post by PTH on Oct 4, 2015 15:12:14 GMT -5
Apparently Kassian is in the hospital... if Kassian goes on injured reserve, does this change anything for lineup/waiver purposes ?
Gotta wonder though, if Kassian seriously messed up, does he go on waivers when healthy, to see if he can get his act together in the AHL instead of imploding in the big leagues ?
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Post by seventeen on Oct 4, 2015 17:20:33 GMT -5
Tinordi's done in Montreal. I expect a deal in the next couple of days. Real lack of confidence and hockey sense. Too bad, hate to give up on a 6,6 dman who can skate. The "rabidhabs" site has a nice article comparing him with O'Byrne... much of what was written 5 years ago about OB would apply just as well to Tinordi. It's a shame; we traded up to get a low-downside, "safe" pick in the first round, and it won't work out.... I think most people were expecting a 6'6 version of Gorges as the likely outcome (a dominant defensive partner for a Markov or Subban being the upside).... and I was expecting the equivalent of Pateryn as the downside.... Looks like we'll be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. I'd hold out for a 5th.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 4, 2015 23:53:06 GMT -5
The "rabidhabs" site has a nice article comparing him with O'Byrne... much of what was written 5 years ago about OB would apply just as well to Tinordi. It's a shame; we traded up to get a low-downside, "safe" pick in the first round, and it won't work out.... I think most people were expecting a 6'6 version of Gorges as the likely outcome (a dominant defensive partner for a Markov or Subban being the upside).... and I was expecting the equivalent of Pateryn as the downside.... Looks like we'll be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. I'd hold out for a 5th. Package deal: Tinordi, Kassian, and Toker for a third?
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 5, 2015 9:48:59 GMT -5
The fact that Kassian was out partying on a Saturday night, with two girls, is not really that big a deal. Even if he was totally wasted. Kids are kids, and while we like to think that professional players are held to a higher standard I'm pretty sure that most downtown bar managers could tell you a story or two about even the most "professional" of players. No big deal.
What is a big deal though, is that this happened to Zack Kassian, who has a reputation not just for enjoying the nightlife, but for enjoying it way too much. Everything in moderation, right? So if this is his first night out on the town, a sort of celebration of training camp being over and the team (I believe) having a day off the next day, then so what. Probably not the only Hab out on the town that night. On the other hand... if he's been out for six straight nights and this is his regular lifestyle, as is often implied, then they have a problem.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 5, 2015 9:57:46 GMT -5
I am sure this is not the type of distraction that the Berg and Habs were looking for. Good news is that reports indicate that Kassian was not the driver. I expect he will be getting a number of little chats from management and teammates regarding what wearing the CH means in Montreal.
Let's see if he can keep out of the media spotlight for a while and get his game going, as I am sure that is what the team wanted when they traded for his potential fully aware of his underachieving reputation.
Can you imagine if social media was alive and well back in the day? Certain "legends" may have had a lot shorter career with the team!!
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 10:01:14 GMT -5
Barberio and Tokarski not at practice. Looks like they'll be waived for purpose of sending to AHL.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 5, 2015 10:20:20 GMT -5
I am sure this is not the type of distraction that the Berg and Habs were looking for. Good news is that reports indicate that Kassian was not the driver. I expect he will be getting a number of little chats from management and teammates regarding what wearing the CH means in Montreal. Let's see if he can keep out of the media spotlight for a while and get his game going, as I am sure that is what the team wanted when they traded for his potential fully aware of his underachieving reputation. Can you imagine if social media was alive and well back in the day? Certain "legends" may have had a lot shorter career with the team!! Don't see any good news here if Kassian is not driving. Reports have him as a passenger in his own vehicle with a 20 year old drunk behind the wheel. That is despicable. "I'm too drunk to drive and don't want to get caught so here are my keys to this beast - see if you can get us home". Or he was sober and gave the keys to drunk girl. Either way you cut it, I don't want him on my team.
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Post by habernac on Oct 5, 2015 11:33:58 GMT -5
John Lu @johnlutsnmtl
As of now #Habs Kassian is not on injured reserve, but Bergevin says he's considering options, which doesn't rule out a possible suspension.
Eric Engels @ericengels 4m4 minutes ago Bergevin says he had very clear discussions with Kassian about his rep and the opportunity he had to change it
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 5, 2015 11:35:58 GMT -5
Barberio and Tokarski not at practice. Looks like they'll be waived for purpose of sending to AHL. Based on his performance, Tinordi has not earned his spot amongst the 23 roster players as much as the team does not want to lose him for nothing on waivers. If there has been one disappointment this camp (which has been rather underwhelming overall based on previous conversations), it is Tinordi not showing better hockey sense and urgency given the importance of this camp to his future with the club. The double whammy is that they traded up and gave up two early picks for him. Even with eight defenders up with the club, not sure MT will be rotating in #7 and #8 all that much barring injuries. Not sure hanging around in the press box will do much for what appears to be an already impacted confidence.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 5, 2015 11:39:06 GMT -5
John Lu @johnlutsnmtl As of now #Habs Kassian is not on injured reserve, but Bergevin says he's considering options, which doesn't rule out a possible suspension. Eric Engels @ericengels 4m4 minutes ago Bergevin says he had very clear discussions with Kassian about his rep and the opportunity he had to change it Habernac, I was listening to Marc Bergevin's presser but the radio was in and out as I was driving ... a journalist asked whether 'a certain player' is on a short leash ... by chance was he referring to Zack Kassian ... Cheers.
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Post by habernac on Oct 5, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -5
Dave Stubbs dave_Stubbs · 22m22 minutes ago His entire career, #Habs GM Bergevin has placed character atop his list. He just seems very disappointed right now. Maybe even betrayed Yeah, Dis, doesn't sound good. Broken nose and left foot. Terrible optics for a guy who had a rep in Vancouver.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 5, 2015 11:49:02 GMT -5
If Kassian has a broken foot and nose, does he not get placed on IR and save the team sending one of DLR, DSP or Flynn down to the minors?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 5, 2015 12:25:46 GMT -5
Hudon and Andrighetto assigned to the Ice Caps, as expected. canadiens.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=41637&navid=DL|MTL|homeOnce Bournival is cleared to play, he too will get assigned to St. John's. He does not count against a roster spot due to his injury. Down to a roster of 24 including Kassian. Something still has to happen before tomorrow on one spot (IR, trade, waivers).
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Post by blny on Oct 5, 2015 12:33:58 GMT -5
I'd heard that Zach wasn't even driving the truck at the time of the accident. That was shortly after it happened though, and I haven't followed it much since.
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Post by franko on Oct 5, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
Barberio and Tokarski not at practice. Looks like they'll be waived for purpose of sending to AHL. Based on his performance, Tinordi has not earned his spot amongst the 23 roster players as much as the team does not want to lose him for nothing on waivers. If there has been one disappointment this camp (which has been rather underwhelming overall based on previous conversations), it is Tinordi not showing better hockey sense and urgency given the importance of this camp to his future with the club. The double whammy is that they traded up and gave up two early picks for him. Even with eight defenders up with the club, not sure MT will be rotating in #7 and #8 all that much barring injuries. Not sure hanging around in the press box will do much for what appears to be an already impacted confidence. I'm with you . . . I was thrilled when the Habs grabbed Tinner, but he has been a disappointment. I'd like to blame MT for the way JT was handled, but it ain't all his fault. He'll be on the roster . . . it's up to him to make it count. And for him to tell his dad to shut his pie-hole and not make any more waves.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 5, 2015 12:47:54 GMT -5
I'm worried that Barberio doesn't clear waivers. He had a decent camp and is only 25, so not old. Then again, unless Berg makes some moves involving Tinordi, Gilbert or (less likely) Emelin, there's just no room for him.
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