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Post by habsorbed on Feb 8, 2016 22:41:39 GMT -5
Time to stand up and be counted. In order for MB to know whether to be a seller or buyer by trade deadline he needs to know whether we're in the playoffs. My view is we don't get in even if His Carey returns. We would not only have to turn things around but numerous teams ahead of us would need to fold. When I look at those teams, other than the Devils, I see all of them being steady.
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Post by blny on Feb 8, 2016 22:45:30 GMT -5
Sell, sell, sell! Circumstances are different, but this is an opportunity to take advantage of a bad situation. And, because that's what I want, it won't happen lol.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 8, 2016 22:47:20 GMT -5
Not a prayer. Carey ain't comin back.
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Post by duster on Feb 8, 2016 23:55:26 GMT -5
I think they may have fallen too far behind. I'm hoping Bergevin thinks so too.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 9, 2016 7:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 9, 2016 8:11:03 GMT -5
I am fine with them missing the playoffs as long as they don't pull a boneheaded move and end up missing the playoffs by 2 points. As stated above be like Randolph duke and Sell Sell Sell.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 9, 2016 8:25:26 GMT -5
At this point I think we finish in 10th/11th in the conference and end up picking somewhere in the 8-10 range. Which is pretty crap as those picks have value, but nothing of significance.
If I was the GM I would seriously consider trading my pick NOW before the deadline to acquire a player I can use today and for the next few seasons. Our core is not getting younger and the window with them is shrinking so rather than waiting on talent to develop or bust I would rather go out and get maybe a 27/28/29 year old veteran center. Now, the question as to who is out there and what it will cost is much more difficult.
The obvious one is Stamkos, but I am not sure we have a snowball's chance in hell of landing him. And after Stamkos there just isn't much available. I don't want to sell my prospects because it is too soon, and these are guys that Bergy has drafted so he will probably want to see where they go.
Looking at the names out there there is not much that matches up well with what we could offer. But there is one player who fits the bill; Ryan Getzlaf.
I would offer Anaheim my 1st and Plekanec for Getzlaf and Frd Anderson . Because of Getzlaf's salary we would need to add to the deal, someone like Plekanec to offset the cost, and I would want a competent backup for Price going forward after witnessing the train wreck that is our backup goalies.
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Post by jkr on Feb 9, 2016 8:36:12 GMT -5
At this point I think we finish in 10th/11th in the conference and end up picking somewhere in the 8-10 range. Which is pretty crap as those picks have value, but nothing of significance. If I was the GM I would seriously consider trading my pick NOW before the deadline to acquire a player I can use today and for the next few seasons. Our core is not getting younger and the window with them is shrinking so rather than waiting on talent to develop or bust I would rather go out and get maybe a 27/28/29 year old veteran center. Now, the question as to who is out there and what it will cost is much more difficult. The obvious one is Stamkos, but I am not sure we have a snowball's chance in hell of landing him. And after Stamkos there just isn't much available. I don't want to sell my prospects because it is too soon, and these are guys that Bergy has drafted so he will probably want to see where they go. Looking at the names out there there is not much that matches up well with what we could offer. But there is one player who fits the bill; Ryan Getzlaf. I would offer Anaheim my 1st and Plekanec for Getzlaf and Frd Anderson . Because of Getzlaf's salary we would need to add to the deal, someone like Plekanec to offset the cost, and I would want a competent backup for Price going forward after witnessing the train wreck that is our backup goalies. I like Getzlaf but he looks like he has fallen off a bit. He has 36 points in 47 game but is top heavy in assists with only 5 goals. He is a point a game player in the playoffs but his huge cap hit (8.2 million until 2020) makes it a non-starter for me. I don't know if his drop off is a natural decline( will be 31 in a few months) or the sign of a guy in need of a change. I'm not keen to find out.
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Post by jkr on Feb 9, 2016 8:41:34 GMT -5
It pains me but I voted no. I always want them to win no matter what but they have put themselves in a position where they need too much help from other teams. As an example - they needed to beat Carolina in regulation. That single point for the Canes keeps them ahead of the Habs. They are only 4 points out but there are too may teams ahead of them & a those teams have games in hand.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 9, 2016 11:51:53 GMT -5
At this point I think we finish in 10th/11th in the conference and end up picking somewhere in the 8-10 range. Which is pretty crap as those picks have value, but nothing of significance. If I was the GM I would seriously consider trading my pick NOW before the deadline to acquire a player I can use today and for the next few seasons. Our core is not getting younger and the window with them is shrinking so rather than waiting on talent to develop or bust I would rather go out and get maybe a 27/28/29 year old veteran center. Now, the question as to who is out there and what it will cost is much more difficult. The obvious one is Stamkos, but I am not sure we have a snowball's chance in hell of landing him. And after Stamkos there just isn't much available. I don't want to sell my prospects because it is too soon, and these are guys that Bergy has drafted so he will probably want to see where they go. Looking at the names out there there is not much that matches up well with what we could offer. But there is one player who fits the bill; Ryan Getzlaf. I would offer Anaheim my 1st and Plekanec for Getzlaf and Frd Anderson . Because of Getzlaf's salary we would need to add to the deal, someone like Plekanec to offset the cost, and I would want a competent backup for Price going forward after witnessing the train wreck that is our backup goalies. I like Getzlaf but he looks like he has fallen off a bit. He has 36 points in 47 game but is top heavy in assists with only 5 goals. He is a point a game player in the playoffs but his huge cap hit (8.2 million until 2020) makes it a non-starter for me. I don't know if his drop off is a natural decline( will be 31 in a few months) or the sign of a guy in need of a change. I'm not keen to find out. I was channeling those early 90s habs who went out and got centers (Turgeon, Damphouse, Muller...) a bit past their prime but put them in a position to win the cup and be competitive for a few years. At this rate I have no faith in our braintrust to build a dynasty, so I will take a short term potential cup parade over years of bad drafting and player development.
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Post by wetcoasthabsfan on Feb 9, 2016 15:52:38 GMT -5
At this point I think we finish in 10th/11th in the conference and end up picking somewhere in the 8-10 range. Which is pretty crap as those picks have value, but nothing of significance. If I was the GM I would seriously consider trading my pick NOW before the deadline to acquire a player I can use today and for the next few seasons. Our core is not getting younger and the window with them is shrinking so rather than waiting on talent to develop or bust I would rather go out and get maybe a 27/28/29 year old veteran center. Now, the question as to who is out there and what it will cost is much more difficult. The obvious one is Stamkos, but I am not sure we have a snowball's chance in hell of landing him. And after Stamkos there just isn't much available. I don't want to sell my prospects because it is too soon, and these are guys that Bergy has drafted so he will probably want to see where they go. Looking at the names out there there is not much that matches up well with what we could offer. But there is one player who fits the bill; Ryan Getzlaf. I would offer Anaheim my 1st and Plekanec for Getzlaf and Frd Anderson . Because of Getzlaf's salary we would need to add to the deal, someone like Plekanec to offset the cost, and I would want a competent backup for Price going forward after witnessing the train wreck that is our backup goalies. I don't see us getting a top 5 pick either because MB won't tank the season. No difference maker and no Stamkos and mostly the same old pieces for next year. Just a year older .
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 9, 2016 16:45:19 GMT -5
Given no one on this board (all wise and clever hockey/Habs fans) believes the playoffs are realistic, tanking would be the wise thing to do. The Leafs are now in full on sell mode to get rid of their crap and let the young core play and get experience while tanking. It's a win win. We should be dumping the also rans and the high salaries for a song where we can - Pleks, Emelin, Markov, DD. A cup contending team would be foolish not to take these players if the ask didn't affect their current roster. MB should get busy! now's the time to clean house. All the players mentioned above are easily replaceable for a lot less salary and indeed some are already in the organization.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 9, 2016 18:06:34 GMT -5
They are done....and for the sake of all of us hopefully the coach too come the second week of April
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 10, 2016 7:44:19 GMT -5
They are NOT as bad as they were playing, nor as good as our first 9 games. Yes, we are making it into the playoffs but I don't see us going far.
What I fear is that BargainBin shops at the expensive rack and we get fleeced for a few games of glory.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 10, 2016 12:26:44 GMT -5
Management doesn't have the discipline necessary to do what's best for the team next year and for at least 5 years after that. Because of injuries, we have the perfect excuse to develop our young kids and make the final change to the team to allow them to truly compete. Move a couple of difficult contracts for players who are beyond the age of the core, and won't contribute enough (take your pick, Pleks, DD, Emelin), bring up some guys who will contribute next year, and hope that the team doesn't win enough games so that we have a top 8 choice.
That dessicated, wooden carrot, though, looks delicious to Berg and Molson, so they'll chase it and find that it doesn't taste very good and hasn't given them any of the nutrients they need. This year is lost, why not maximize the return for next year? Any shortfall in $$ will be more than made up in following years from merchandise etc. Montreal fans respond to a winning, exciting team.
Sigh.
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Post by folatre on Feb 10, 2016 23:07:21 GMT -5
It is nice to win games. But there are too many teams in the mix and Canadiens two step behind in race with roster lacking passing gear.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 11, 2016 1:14:47 GMT -5
They are NOT as bad as they were playing, nor as good as our first 9 games. Yes, we are making it into the playoffs but I don't see us going far. What I fear is that BargainBin shops at the expensive rack and we get fleeced for a few games of glory. Wow! Never thought you'd get the moniker 'UberOptimistic'. You feeling alright? If this team makes the playoffs we will all have to bow (and defer) to the 'UberSage'. I'm rooting for you, but must say i don't like your chances.
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Post by stoat on Feb 11, 2016 2:16:13 GMT -5
They are NOT as bad as they were playing, nor as good as our first 9 games. Yes, we are making it into the playoffs but I don't see us going far. What I fear is that BargainBin shops at the expensive rack and we get fleeced for a few games of glory. I see a few teams the Habs could beat in the playoffs even without a rental. Boston is one of them, and it would be a pleasure.
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 11, 2016 6:40:05 GMT -5
They are NOT as bad as they were playing, nor as good as our first 9 games. Yes, we are making it into the playoffs but I don't see us going far. What I fear is that BargainBin shops at the expensive rack and we get fleeced for a few games of glory. Wow! Never thought you'd get the moniker 'UberOptimistic'. You feeling alright? If this team makes the playoffs we will all have to bow (and defer) to the 'UberSage'. I'm rooting for you, but must say i don't like your chances. Ever since i started grooming my eyebrows, been feeling much better. That and talcum powder can metrosexualize any beast...... MThead aside, this team is not bottom 5 material. With a better coach, we would drop to a .600 without Price and no worries about making the PO.
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2016 6:53:18 GMT -5
one thread: tank. another: win, baby! just having a chuckle.
the only way we win the lottery is if we lose enough, and that only happens if MB is a seller, which I don't think is in his DNA, or if the players collectively throw in the towel and each says "I'm going to play my worst so that next near the team will be better even if I'm not here", which I don't think is in their DNA -- I think there's a bit of pride left.
the only way we get into the playoffs is if our goaltender of the night is Halakian and our PP comes to life (fwiw, one reason the Sens lost last night is because they went 1-7 on the PP).
I think we hang around the bottom and either just sneak in or just miss. so the team will either make the playoffs, or not. how's that for a prediction!
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Post by Skilly on Feb 11, 2016 9:01:46 GMT -5
This poll is looking more like a Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul exit poll than a hockey poll (92%!!!)
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 11, 2016 13:43:13 GMT -5
This poll is looking more like a Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul exit poll than a hockey poll (92%!!!) There use to be a special place on hell for Habs fans who even suggested a tank job. Now we're the Uge majority.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2016 16:11:25 GMT -5
This poll is looking more like a Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul exit poll than a hockey poll (92%!!!) There use to be a special place on hell for Habs fans who even suggested a tank job. Now we're the Uge majority. Would never recommend a tank job. No. But a retooling, getting rid of bad contracts to mediocre players and giving youngsters exposure to the NHL in a structured manner, well I'm all for that. If we happen to finish low and get a good draft pick, that's just bad luck, not a deliberate attempt to play poorly.
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Post by stoat on Feb 12, 2016 2:08:12 GMT -5
Those who say the Habs and Leafs are in the same boat are mistaken. The Habs have a modest chance to make the playoffs while the Leafs are clearly headed for the compost pile. The Habs already have accumulated too many points to repeat their recent 28th place finish. (I wonder if the fans who want a tank are cursing Ben Scrivens for winning three games in a row.)
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Post by HABSINFL on Feb 12, 2016 16:07:13 GMT -5
DIVE, DIVE, DIVE BABY!
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 12, 2016 18:27:15 GMT -5
13 to 1? ONE? Just me sitting out here in hopey Hab land all by my self? YOU MUTTS!! I'm going to torture all of you with "I told ya so"!! Yes I will!!
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2016 19:43:20 GMT -5
13 to 1? ONE? Just me sitting out here in hopey Hab land all by my self? YOU MUTTS!! I'm going to torture all of you with "I told ya so"!! Yes I will!! Psssst. Turn around slowly and look at who's in net. Yes. Ben Scrivens. Do you believe? Do you believe?!!! Or would you like that drink now?
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 13, 2016 2:19:12 GMT -5
13 to 1? ONE? Just me sitting out here in hopey Hab land all by my self? YOU MUTTS!! I'm going to torture all of you with "I told ya so"!! Yes I will!! As long as MT is behind the bench I don't think any of us 'Unlucky 13' need worry about you force feeding crow down our throats.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2016 6:50:54 GMT -5
Last night's loss hurt any playoff hopes the lads might have.
Right now, we are 5 points out of the wild card and both Willard teams have 2 games in hand. So we are looking at 7 points out.
We are 11 points out of the basement, but the Leafs have 3 games in hand. So we are about 9 points from a lottery chance.
The very definition of "hockey limbo-hell" .... This is the worse case scenario for the Habs. The time to make a decision is now.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 13, 2016 11:32:55 GMT -5
I don't think most fans would be annoyed or disappointed at all if the Habs became sellers at the deadline. It's our only hope to break free of the mediocrity cycle, so most of us (using this board as an example) would be fine with it.
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