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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 8:17:25 GMT -5
I don't understand this one...but seems that the Bruins are talking currently with the Habs for Jeff Hackett. TFP states the following: If the Habs are gonna send Hackett to the Bruins, they better get something unreal. Something like Rolston and McLaren for Hack and Dykhuis .. Habs are playing from a position of strenght here. God forbid they give him away to our arch rivals. cheers
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 8:31:01 GMT -5
This trade rumour as surfaced before and many people, including myself, were enjoying shooting it down for obvious reasons. However, it keeps coming back. MOC and AS must be desperate.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 10, 2003 8:32:09 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter because unless either the Habs or the Bruins light it up there is a slim chance they would meet in the first round. If they make it to the playoffs both teams would be in the bottom of the pairings (7th and 8th) and they probably won't see each other (last years playoff were wacky and the more powerful teams getting knocked out in the first round will probably not happen).
With MacLaren's youth and size I would love for the Habs to get him (OMG imagine MacLaren and Komi as a defensive pairing... drooling at thought of Tie Domi coming down the ice and CRUNCH gets nailed by MacLaren, then Corson tries to go after MacLaren and Komi puts Corson on his butt)
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 8:41:59 GMT -5
If the Bruins get their hands on Hackett, I believe that they have the team to climb in the standings. But if they were to lose a guy like Rolston to us, there is a good chance that we would be climbing too. With the right move, both teams 'could' go on a tear...I am just speculating but it's not impossible. If we get to 3rd and 4th for example...we will meet in the first round. So what do you do? Komo and McLaren on a defensive pairing is scary. It does make it enticing...especially for those Toronto games. The least we can say is that both teams need to make a move to get their respective teams on the winning track again.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 10, 2003 8:47:59 GMT -5
How old is Garon? If he's 24 or 25 I would worry about him starting to 'rot' in the AHL. I think he needs to see some action up in the bigs, so trading Hackett would allow Garon to spend more time up here. I love Hack, he's been great for this team and most nights he was all we had. But we do owe him a chance to be a number one. With Theo back to form somewhat, we should trade Hack to let him be a number one. It would also free up some cash for the team to sign a guy like MacLaren.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 8:58:07 GMT -5
How old is Garon? If he's 24 or 25 I would worry about him starting to 'rot' in the AHL. I think he needs to see some action up in the bigs, so trading Hackett would allow Garon to spend more time up here. I love Hack, he's been great for this team and most nights he was all we had. But we do owe him a chance to be a number one. With Theo back to form somewhat, we should trade Hack to let him be a number one. It would also free up some cash for the team to sign a guy like MacLaren. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe both Hackett and Garon are becoming free agents at the end of this season. Something needs to give in order to get Garon up in the NHL. It's the only way he will resign the Montreal. This alone may sway AS to deal Hackett wherever he can, even if it is Boston.
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Post by Ged on Jan 10, 2003 9:27:49 GMT -5
Hack has been a warrior for this team since day 1. I would never wish on any hockey player a team like the Booins. That's just as bad as having to play for the Leaves. If you ever don't want to win a Stanley cup, Boston and Toronto are the places to go. Hackett deserves more. If I was Bobby Clarke, I'd be taking a serious look at Hack.
Does anyone else think that Mclaren's hold out has something to do with last year's decapitation, or do I just despise the Booins. Here's my theory. Zednik is tearing the B's a new one. He couldn't be stopped and they knew it. So, "Kyle, we're going to lose this series because of this guy, you know what to do." And after McLaren took care of the situation, nobody from the organization backed him. The backlash was huge, as it was a violent, violent play. "Kyle, you didn't have to be quite that effective. A slight concussion would have sufficed." I may be dreaming in technicolour, but this scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least.
And did I mention, I hate the Booins. No Hack, no way.
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Post by Montrealer on Jan 10, 2003 9:39:58 GMT -5
I don't understand this one...but seems that the Bruins are talking currently with the Habs for Jeff Hackett. TFP states the following: If the Habs are gonna send Hackett to the Bruins, they better get something unreal. Something like Rolston and McLaren for Hack and Dykhuis .. Habs are playing from a position of strenght here. God forbid they give him away to our arch rivals. cheers Hackett is a UFA at the end of the year. Dykhuis wouldn't be picked up on the waiver wire if he was placed there. Rolston is one of the BEST forecheckers in the NHL. Amazing SH too. McLaren is worth about a dozen Dykhuises. Where do you see this happening anywhere else than NHL 2003 or some other game environment?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 10, 2003 9:44:35 GMT -5
I would be happy getting MacLaren for Hack.
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Post by Maritimer on Jan 10, 2003 9:44:51 GMT -5
No way do we get UFA to be Hackett for Rolston...just can't see it even if we sweeten with Dykhuis who can't crack our allstar laden D corps
We all figure that Hackett will not resign in MTL nor would Savard have a ton of interest. Hmm that means next year we need a backup goalie...Hmmm and Garon is a FA? What other team that has a hole in the crease wil offer money to an unproven minor leaguer? Whatever happened to Mike Fountain? or Cory Hirsh? Garon's best bet will be to sign here in MTL anyway.
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 10, 2003 9:46:43 GMT -5
If the Habs are gonna send Hackett to the Bruins, they better get something unreal. Something like Rolston and McLaren for Hack and Dykhuis .. Habs are playing from a position of strenght here. Yeah..why not get Wade redden for Dykhuis..or Morris..or Chara..Be serious.. As I said before..We can't ask for much from a trade involving HAckett..mid round draft pick or future regular player (No future star) If we get McLaren out of there (which I would really like), it would cost us a prospect and hackett IMO...
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 9:48:21 GMT -5
I think you may have understood my sarcasm in this case. I don't want this deal to go down. If it is, the deal needs to be too good to be true. Rolston and McLaren for these 2 is in fact too good to be true and I don't think this is even in MOC's mind. But who knows what is in AS's mind? But again, I don't want these 2 teams to deal.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 10:20:36 GMT -5
They want Hackett? They REALLY want him? McLaren is the price. That's it, that's all. We are going to be fighting with those booins for the final playoff spot. Better get something that will help us for years to come and solve a huge(!) problem on our defence Hell throw in Traverse if they need a d-man in return
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 10, 2003 10:20:57 GMT -5
IMO, the Habs can trade with whoever is outhere. I don't believe in this "I don't want to trade him in our division so he can beat us..." what about the players you are getting in return..aren't you getting players to help you win these games..won't they hurt they other team too..
Would you miss the chance to get better for the next 5-6 years with a guy like McLaren because you might give the Bruins a chance at beating you this year. Even if they would kick me off the playoffs this year I wouldn't miss this opportunity
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 10:25:52 GMT -5
Would you miss the chance to get better for the next 5-6 years with a guy like McLaren because you might give the Bruins a chance at beating you this year. Even if they would kick me off the playoffs this year I wouldn't miss this opportunity Yup, my thinking exactly. McLaren could be a Hab for at least 6 years. And he is EXACTLY what the Habs defence needs. Hackett could be a Bruin for a few months. And they will not face us in the first round this year and probably not in the 2nd round.
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Post by rocky on Jan 10, 2003 10:51:28 GMT -5
If there is a trade made with the B's its obviously going to be bigger than we know. The B's just lost Zamuner ( lw ) for a long period of time, plus Samsonov is out of commission and their defense is just an injury away from disaster, then there is the goaltenders. We have bodies to spare but money will talk in this scenario, they will not be interested in Audi or Chow. The Bruins are definelty dealing from a position of weakness. Very interesting.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 11:02:13 GMT -5
And we have a surplus of wingers Hackett+Petrov could be going IMO Or Audette and Chow going and we take back...Lapointe $$ balances out and Lapointe could help us with his gritty style.
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 10, 2003 11:20:49 GMT -5
No Way!!!!
If the habs were to take Lapointe it would piss some other players off.. C'mon..Jealousy in the room is the last thing we need and bringing a gritty winger that scores 15 goals and is paid 5.5 millions would bring just that..jealousy..
I wouldn't have minded Lapointe coming here but there is no way we want to pay his salary for the next few years..
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 11:25:23 GMT -5
but if you can get rid of Audette(2 goals/3 million per year...you think the other players are jealous when they see him? ;D) in this deal...
Bad contract for bad contract kind of deal is the ONLY way you get rid of Audette
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 10, 2003 12:34:58 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe both Hackett and Garon are becoming free agents at the end of this season. Something needs to give in order to get Garon up in the NHL. It's the only way he will resign the Montreal. This alone may sway AS to deal Hackett wherever he can, even if it is Boston. You, sir, are correct! Actually Garon's agent has mumbled in the French press a least a couple of times that I'm aware of in the past two years about moving his client elsewhere. It will be be very interesting if both Hackett and Garon decide to test the waters. How does a Théo/Fichaud tandem grab ya for next season?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 12:44:42 GMT -5
Habs will need to sign a proven NHL backup if both Garon and Hack leave IMO. A Skudra, a Brathwaite, a McLennan...good backlup goalies..
Fichaud scares me
Tarasov is a ?
Michaud is too young
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 10, 2003 13:23:40 GMT -5
Fichaud scares me Tarasov is a ? Michaud is too young ^ Fichaud scares me too Tarasov won't come to America for nothing so they would have to assure him he'd be in the NHL..as far as I know..he is doing good in the RSL Michaud is getting his ass kicked in the Q..he wasn't even invited to team Canada's camp.. His value is falling quickly.. As for the trade talks with the B's, you guys will hate me for this, but how about including Bulis in the trade...It would get us something good in return..I would hate to get rid of a 23y old 6'1 with very good speed and grit..do you think that might be why they put him on the 1st line..to show him off...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 13:25:26 GMT -5
to get McLaren, Bulis would probably have to be part of the package.
Or maybe a Kilger if the Bruins think they can turn him into a PF
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 13:31:56 GMT -5
I would hold on to Bulis...he is only going to get better and could become a very good checker. He has some size, speed and is dependable defensively. I understand that we need to give up important pieces to receive important pieces, but getting a quality #1 goaltender is tough to find in this league. We shouldn't underestimate what we can fetch with him. Unfortunately, he is ufa at the end of the year. This puts a damper on things.
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Post by larek on Jan 10, 2003 13:39:46 GMT -5
i agree but i heard that Lapointe might be part of the package.thats just a rumour,i cant see HABS taking that contract!Too big for a player whose contract is way overinflated!
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 13:44:40 GMT -5
i agree but i heard that Lapointe might be part of the package.thats just a rumour,i cant see HABS taking that contract!Too big for a player whose contract is way overinflated! I agree with you that the habs should pass on Lapointe, but AS wanted to give him roughly the same amount when he was a free agent. 8-)I was happy when we found out that he signed with Boston cause I figured that he was a waste of money for a player who is worth 2.5 to 3M a year. But then again, if Brisebois got 4, anything can happen.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 13:46:21 GMT -5
yeah but if we give up Audette in the deal...bad contract for bad contract..
at least Lapointe has some grit, playoff experience, stanley cup rings, leadership and is in his prime....
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 10, 2003 13:50:03 GMT -5
yeah but if we give up Audette in the deal...bad contract for bad contract.. at least Lapointe has some grit, playoff experience, stanley cup rings, leadership and is in his prime.... If the deal maker is Audette, I say pounce on it. But I seriously doubt that the Booins or anyone else for that matter, want Audette, . He is in a major slump and most , if not all, GMs must feel that the injury he got last year, was career ending. They won't touch him with a 50 ft hockey stick!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 13:53:10 GMT -5
How about..... Hackett(3.6 M) Audette(3M) Kilger or Bulis(around 1M) Balej(gotta give some quality in there) for: McLaren(no salary this year) Lapointe(5+ M) is it fair? can the Bruins take on a million or two
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Post by Andrew on Jan 10, 2003 13:59:48 GMT -5
I'd love to see Rolston in a Habs uniform, but I checked his contract status, and I don't think the Habs would be able to keep him. His contract is up this year, and he turns 30, meaning as a RFA, at season's end, he'll either want a 1 year deal, or a monster long term one.
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