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Post by Habsolution on Jan 11, 2003 2:20:28 GMT -5
Asking for McLaren essentially means not trading Hack - wouldn't be better off looking at some intermediate point, so that we can get something useful in return ? Doesn't have to be from a playoff rival..... hackett will be a UFA. Teams needing a good proven goalie are mostly eastern teams(Bos,Phi,Pit). Wether we like it or not Hackett is probably going to end in the east. We better get something out of it. The important thing is that we do make the playoffs. We are not cup contenders so why wonder about being playoff competitive. It's only me though but I'd gladly accept McClaren for Hackett straight up. And I'd add a pick to get Rolston. Just in case he would be the difference between a team that's not contending and one that is
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Post by habwest on Jan 11, 2003 4:12:10 GMT -5
A couple of questions on Martin Lapointe. First some facts:
Points- last year 40, this year (in 23 games) 4. He's also a -15 this year leading by a wide margin; the next in line is Marty McInnis at -8, then Rolston at -3.
Salary: $5,250,000.
Now the questions:
1) would you really like to have Lapointe and his $5.25M over Czerkawski and his 10 points in 25 games and, what, $2.6M? Are Lapointes "other attributes" worth that extra $2.5M+ for this year and two more years? Think about that. Over $5M per year for a guy who is vastly underperforming. People are complaining about being stuck with a $3M lemon. What about a $5M+ lemon?
2) And what about those other attributes? His defence this year appears to suck (-15) so I guess it's the mucking/physical aspect we're left with. If so why don't we just call Ward up? He might just deliver as much and be a heckuva lot cheaper.
Just thinking out loud.
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 11, 2003 8:09:00 GMT -5
Salary: $5,250,000. If so why don't we just call Ward up? Just thinking out loud. Keep thinking loud...maybe one day they will hear you
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2003 14:08:24 GMT -5
hackett will be a UFA. Teams needing a good proven goalie are mostly eastern teams(Bos,Phi,Pit). Wether we like it or not Hackett is probably going to end in the east. We better get something out of it. The important thing is that we do make the playoffs. When I talk abolut playoff rivals, I mean teams we are in competition with for a playoff spot. Getting something for Hackett is cool and all, but will we even care about getting a 2nd or 3d rounder if we know that we probably missed the playoffs because another team improved radically by getting Hack for the stretch run ? I'd rather get nothing, or get a 4th rounder from a Western team, than get a 2nd rounder from a team we're likely battling forone of those precious playoff spots. I think just about everyone on here would accept that as well - McLaren is sufficient return to justify the risk of missing the playoffs. That being said, Boston won't make this trade. Unless you think we would be dealing a 1st rounder just as we're tanking the season and that the pick looks like a top 10 pick, then you're REALLY dreaming in vivid, 1024-colours with sparkles and the whole works and a cherry on top...
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2003 14:13:50 GMT -5
A couple of questions on Martin Lapointe. First some facts: Points- last year 40, this year (in 23 games) 4. He's also a -15 this year leading by a wide margin; the next in line is Marty McInnis at -8, then Rolston at -3. Salary: $5,250,000. For his -15, that might largely be due to his re-joining the team just as it started to tank - I'd be curious to know how other players on his team have done over the same stretch of games. While the Chow comparison works well for # of games played, Chow is in the AHL and essentially is a net loss anyhow. In any case, the guy I'd want to see going would be Audette, who's a total liability out there. 5 million sounds like a lot, but then again, you have to figure we're on the hook for 3 million anyhow. Would the upgrade from Audette to Lapointe be worth 2 million ? I'd say it would be, others could disagree, but we have to see things in that light. I've wanted to see kids given a chance from the start so I can't go against your thinking here - I'd rather eat the 3 million loss in Audette and give a kid a chance myself, but giving chances to kids, especially slightly older ones who were Houle picks, doesn't seem to be in AS's way of thinking.
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Post by habwest on Jan 11, 2003 23:13:37 GMT -5
I agree with you PTH, Audette is the guy I want to see gone as well so he should be the one used in comparisons. Lapointe certainly is a much better rounded player than Audette, I guess I just don't think that he's worth what he's making either. He's being payed as a power scoring forward and isn't.
When Lapointe played is a good question so I went back and checked. He played the first 4 games of the season, then missed the rest of Oct and virtually all of Nov and came back in Dec, at the tail end of their winning streak and just in time for their losing streak. That has undoubterdly negatively affected his +/- total. I noted, however, that in the wins he was rarely above a +1, often even, and in the losses he was among their worst in the minus category. So he certainly hasn't been a strength when it comes to keeping GA down.
As for Ward, I hope that he gets a real shot next year. Logically he's a replacement for McKay and should be given every chance to do so.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 11, 2003 23:36:48 GMT -5
Mclaren is a slightly above average NHL defenseman when healthy. O'Connell seems to feel he's the franchise. Funny that he wants an impact player for him, but he won't pay him like the impact player he wants in return. Hypocrite? An NHL GM? Never If Hacket wasn't a UFA July 1st, I'd think it an even deal. But he isn't and it isn't. Never happen, besides the fact we're in Boston's division.
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2003 23:44:05 GMT -5
I agree with you PTH, Audette is the guy I want to see gone as well so he should be the one used in comparisons. Lapointe certainly is a much better rounded player than Audette, I guess I just don't think that he's worth what he's making either. He's being payed as a power scoring forward and isn't. Agreed all the way, neither Audette nor Lapointe deserve anything like their salaries, even in the NHL's whacked salary structure. I wouldn't pick either one off waivers - you can get much more bang for your buck. But when you have a guy with that kind of a contract, you figure you have to deal with it... I haven't followed teams around all that much this season, so I'll take your word for it. McKay is still under contract for another season :-\ I'm not sure Ward can get it done in any case, but I want to see kids have a chance.... Ward should have a guy like Lindsay to unseat to be able to play, not a large contract guy like Audette or Chow, just like Hainsey should have a Traverse to beat out, not a Dykhuis... *sigh*
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 11, 2003 23:45:01 GMT -5
O'Connell will only trade Mclaren if he has a huge return. He thinks that he is worth a Zednik in return. From what I saw from last years platoffs Mclaren is not better then Souray. Period.
What is Souray worth when healthy? A first rounder? A second/third liner? If that. A lot of hype is surrounding Mclaren but no one is biting. NO ONE. GM's are thankfully way smarter then us. Okay, Milbury is the exception.
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2003 23:46:05 GMT -5
Mclaren is a slightly above average NHL defenseman when healthy. O'Connell seems to feel he's the franchise. Funny that he wants an impact player for him, but he won't pay him like the impact player he wants in return. Hypocrite? An NHL GM? Never These situations crop up pretty often..... Peca comes to mind as well - Buffalo was unwilling to pay him as much as they'd pay for the guys they wanted in return ! Of course, being overly willing to pay large salaries to anyone who can lace up skates can be a problem too..... *caugh* Audette-Chow-Dykhuis *cough*
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