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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 0:41:23 GMT -5
Wow. what a comeback. But thanks to Brisebois couldn't get 2 points Brisebois is playins so crappy right now it's not even funny
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 0:44:12 GMT -5
BTW when was the last time the Habs limited an opponent to ONE shot in a period? That happened in the 3rd...saddly the lone shot was a goal
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Post by habernac on Jan 5, 2003 0:46:07 GMT -5
did Breeze-by get new skates recently? The guy keeps tripping over his feet out there. Brutal. Frustrating finish to a game I almost turned off halfway through the first period. WTF are Ribeiro and Audi doing out there in OT?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 0:47:28 GMT -5
MT just putting out offensive guys Man thank god for points for a loss in OT...no way we deserved to walk out of Skyreach with no points after that comeback
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Post by habits on Jan 5, 2003 0:47:54 GMT -5
How long do we have to put up with him costing us games??? He should be benched, or , in a perfect world, TRADED!!!!!!!! Wasnt that Pass to Ryan Smith a Beaut..., one problem, Smith plays FOR THE OTHER TEAM!!!! Cheers habits
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Post by Ged on Jan 5, 2003 0:48:22 GMT -5
Brisebois is an All-Star. He's just got to figure out how to tie a skate to each butt cheek.
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Post by JFM on Jan 5, 2003 0:49:24 GMT -5
Positives....... 1: Stole a point they had no business getting. 2: Outshot a team!!!!!! I know I'm really digging deep to find positives!
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 0:49:36 GMT -5
Garbage game.
I have never seen a Hab's team play so disorganized. Certainly players like Audette and Petrov should not be on the ice. Those two got precious minutes to play a terriffic pond game, but this is the NHL.
Brisebois should start getting his Breezeby name back. I have never seen a so called number one defenseman fall on his ass as many times.
This team played yet another session of pond hocky. The only reason they were not blown out of the rink is because the Oilers came down to their level.
Saku and Zed played very well but they can not carry the rest of this sorry lot on their back.
Garbage. Just garbage.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 0:53:52 GMT -5
Positives....... 1: Stole a point they had no business getting. 2: Outshot a team!!!!!! I know I'm really digging deep to find positives! 3:nunber 1 line looking excellent 4:...Audette...had...2...assists Boxscore of this wild and crazy game(like the Habs and Oil played last year..) : nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/boxscores/592_2_boxscore.htmlSCORING 1st 2nd 3rd OT TOTAL Montreal 1 1 2 0 4 Edmonton 3 0 1 1 5 First Period Scoring: 1, Edmonton, Mike Comrie 14 (power play) (Ryan Smyth, Janne Niinimaa)3:55 2, Edmonton, Ales Hemsky 1 (Ethan Moreau), 4:29 3, Edmonton, Jason Chimera 7 (Daniel Cleary, Marty Reasoner),7:38 4, Montreal, Craig Rivet 5 (power play) (Donald Audette, Yanic Perreault)18:01 First Period Penalties: C Rivet, Mon (tripping), 3:40 Y Perreault, Mon (slashing), 5:21 P Traverse, Mon (holding), 9:56 E Moreau, Edm (cross checking), 10:42 A Pisa, Edm (interference), 16:26 P Brisebois, Mon (roughing), 19:54. Second Period Scoring: 5, Montreal, Stephane Quintal 2 (Patrick Traverse, Bill Lindsay),18:36 Second Period Penalties: J Niinimaa, Edm (closing hand on puck), 9:31 S Horcoff, Edm (double minor obstruction holding, hooking), 20:00 Bench, Edm (unsportsmanlike cond served by A Hemsky), 20:00. Third Period Scoring: 6, Montreal, Saku Koivu 12 (Donald Audette, Patrice Brisebois),0:25 7, Edmonton, Ryan Smyth 14 (power play) (Mike York, Mike Comrie)13:59 8, Montreal, Richard Zednik 19 (Saku Koivu, Jan Bulis),19:26 (with extra attacker) Third Period Penalties: R Mckay, Mon (goalie interference), 4:18 J Juneau, Mon (hooking), 12:49. Overtime Scoring: 9, Edmonton, Ryan Smyth 15 (Todd Marchant), 4:00 Overtime Penalties: None SHOTS 1st 2nd 3rd OT TOTAL Montreal 8 10 14 3 35 Edmonton 16 9 1 2 28 Other Facts Power-play Conversions: Montreal - 2 of 6, Edmonton - 2 of 6 Goalies: -------------------------------------------- Montreal 8 10 14 3 --35 Edmonton 16 9 1 2 --28 -------------------------------------------- Power-play Conversions: Montreal - 2 of 6, Edmonton - 2 of 6. Goalies : Montreal, Jose Theodore (28 shots, 23 saves; record: 9-13-3). Edmonton, Tommy Salo (35 shots, 31 saves; record: 14-13-4). A: 16,839. Referees: Greg Kimmerly, Marc Joannette. Linesmen: Mike Cvik, Vaughan Rody. Attendance: 16,839 Referees: Greg Kimmerly, Marc Joannette Linesmen: Mike Cvik, Vaughan Rody
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Post by PTH on Jan 5, 2003 1:18:18 GMT -5
Brisebois is obviously playing injured. Who else would we like playing instead ? Dykhuis ? Bouillon ? Brisebois with one foot in obvious pain is still better than the alternatives.
Ribeiro.... ouch, awful game. Seemed like he was trying to make Junior shots and Junior passes in the NHL.
Audette has to be dumped ASAP. He still has some hockey sense, but he's lost his scoring touch, and the rest of his game sucks. How we're still playing him instead of Ward, Hossa, Chow or anyone else is beyond me.
Why play Perreault with both Audette and Petrov ? Seems to be a line that's garanteed to get into trouble. Then again, Hossa was supposed to be there and this was a patchwork line.
Bulis is a spare part, who really has little to no scoring touch, despite having other qualities.
Hainsey is looking like he really belongs. He's almost ready, IMO, to move Traverse back to being just a #6 guy - though Traverse is actually playing decent hockey.
Markov is improving, still. In OT he got a good shot on goal deep in the zone, then was back to cover on defense.
I don't care about the loss - in OT when you go for it, you take some risks as well - they played for a win and lost, I don't care, they got as many points as if they'd played it safe for a tie.
All you Komisarek lovers out there..... I expected AS To draft Hemsky back in 2001, and right now I wonder if he shouldn't have. Hemsky is one talented kid.
Koivu, Zednik, Hainsey, Markov and Theo are the only players on this team I really want to see stick around, the rest of them are fill-ins and spare parts.
BTW: MT used a timeout properly for one, and no one will even mention it ? Are we only to mention him when he screws up ?
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 1:34:28 GMT -5
I forgot about little Ribiero. Must be because he was sooo worthless out there. Why should anyone give credit to MThead for doing one lousy thing right? It's like complementing someone for flushing the toilet. OF COURSE he had to call a time out. The game barely started and his "well prepared" team was falling apart at the seams. There was NO other intelligent course of action. NONE. There I go again, I used that blasphemous word, intelligent. This road trip to hell is not over and I don’t think they are going to win the NJ game either. Boys and girls, ladies and gentleman, hockey posters and lurkers. The Hab’s have squandered their early year success and now are back on the bubble. Here we go again………………a 48 million dollar pond hockey team.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 5, 2003 1:47:17 GMT -5
Brisebois is obviously playing injured. Bulis is a spare part, who really has little to no scoring touch, despite having other qualities. Hainsey is looking like he really belongs. He's almost ready, IMO, to move Traverse back to being just a #6 guy - though Traverse is actually playing decent hockey. Markov is improving, still. In OT he got a good shot on goal deep in the zone, then was back to cover on defense. I don't care about the loss - in OT when you go for it, you take some risks as well - they played for a win and lost, I don't care, they got as many points as if they'd played it safe for a tie. All you Komisarek lovers out there..... I expected AS To draft Hemsky back in 2001, and right now I wonder if he shouldn't have. Hemsky is one talented kid. Koivu, Zednik, Hainsey, Markov and Theo are the only players on this team I really want to see stick around, the rest of them are fill-ins and spare parts. BTW: MT used a timeout properly for one, and no one will even mention it ? Are we only to mention him when he screws up ? Taped todays game, so will have to dissect tomorrow. But....caught some of the Canucks game. Traverse helped Brisebois and Rivet both look bad on 2 goals against Vancouver by being badly out of position, though in both cases, Brisebois and Rivet both made additional errors to compound Traverse's origingal mistake. Really points out how bad our overall D is. Bulis made a nice pass into the melee at the end of the game, looking for Zednick, and found him. Give him more time on this line. I think he'll develop scorers hands. Or rather he'll develop a scorers brain. Markov is confirming my very high expectatons. Hope no one laughed too hard at the Lidstrom reference. Actually Markov is a little 'meaner' than Lidstrom. I'd rather have Komisarek. He'll get there. You gotta treasure those big defensemen with wheels and good hands, not to mention brains. Did I not notice Hainsey much in the late 1st and fair bit of the 2nd against Vancouver? I thought he was playing well and then seemed to get benched (?). He came out just in time to gain a + on Zednick's goal. More of MT's tough love? Imbecile (I'm trying to use different variations on "moron", as that word has been overused. Pretty well agree on your 5 keepers. Bulis to me is in the grey area and continued improvement may sway me. The rest? Either short term or useless right now. Imagine...5 guys out of 23. Says a great deal about our team, and AS's results so far. At least his 2 draft crops are looking ok so far.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 5, 2003 2:21:25 GMT -5
My list is a bit longer:
Koivu Zednick Markov Theodore Rivet Souray Hainsey Bulis Kilger
The last two may not be world beaters but you need these kind of guys. If Bulis and Kilger plateau as quality 3rd line wingers and penalty killers, they'll have places on this team for the next three years. They are not now and probably will not be "spare parts" in the immediate future. By definition, a spare part is something you don't need for the machine to function; not until you have a breakdown (injuries). Well, you need guys who can work the pk, take regular shifts on the third line and fill in adequately when a top six winger goes down. Both these guys fit the bill now and will likely continue to do so. And they both make less than the league average. Lindsay is a spare part. Kilger and Bulis are not spare parts. When Dackell and Gilmour and Mckay are gone, Kilger and Bulis will be even less like spare parts than they are now.
The good news about Bulis is that whether or not he develops into a second line winger who can score 20 goals, he can play another important role.
By the way, you can say that Dykhuis, Traverse, Quintal, Dackell and a few others are typical "spare part" type players, but they are not spare parts on this team at this time. They are all playing significant minutes and are doing important jobs. They will become spare parts only when the young guys are ready to step up and do their jobs at a level that won't compromise national security. What that means is that we'll still be seeing a few of these guys next year and a couple of them the year after that. That's how you rebuild on the fly.
As for Hemsky vs. Komisarek, to me it's not even close. Hemsky's a talented young prospect, but if Komisarek keeps developing at his current rate he'll be a major, major force for 24+ minutes a night three years from now. You can't underestimate the way that changes a team's composition.
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Post by moosehead2 on Jan 5, 2003 6:53:29 GMT -5
The Oilers could have been had last night. Too bad we got only 1 point as we are now occupying the 9th spot in the conference with the possibility of falling all the way down to the 12th spot out of 15 teams if we lose our next game against the Devils on Tuesday while the Islanders, the Canes and the Panthers win their next game.
The Habs lost that point last night because for the umpteenth time this year they failed to report to work in the first period. The Habs have to wake up to the reality that a hockey game in the NHL lasts 60 minutes, not 40.
I'm sick and tired of seeing Breezy turning the puck over in OT to give the game away and of watching our impotent offense with only 1 forward line working every night. For goodness sake, game in and game out, we look like a Lada working on only 3 cylinders. I guess we shouldn't be too surprised when a veteran player like Joey Juneau can say with impunity: "I'm not paid to score goals".
I guess André Savard will again have to go in the dressing room to deliver another speech to rally the troops.
Actually he should forget that collegial philosophy of his, and find for his team a true NHL coach who is respected by his players and who can do the job all by himself.
Please André, don't wait for the Habs to be virtually out of a playoff spot. Don't sit there, do something!
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Post by clear observer on Jan 5, 2003 9:38:58 GMT -5
The Oil is just as, if not more, fragile a team as the Habs. Collectively they had only a half-dozen going last night (Salo was their best), as did we. Their six or so were better.
As a #1, 4 million per season, 6' 2" - 200+lb, supposedly offensively-gifted, T H I R T E E N - Y E A R V E T E R A N, Brisebois is/was a joke last night. I, too, suspect he may have played hurt last night, but with legs decapitated, players with credentials listed above should N E V E R make the consistant blunders this tool makes. His play makes me nauseous.
As an addendum. If a player IS in fact potentially on the limp, and the coach does not recognize this and continues to "go" with him, he too, is bush-league. IF, in fact, the coach approaches the player about a possible injury, wherein the players states he's "good to go", then the player doesn't have the team's best interest in mind. It was mind-boggling to watch Brisebois accept his minutes last night, as well, Therrien offering them.
Markov is already MILES ahead of Brisebois.
After Markov, we have a woeful D-corps.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 5, 2003 10:29:05 GMT -5
mmmph! eh? ...i went into hibernation a month ago, wake up for a piss and a glass of water, and see that all is as it was. plus ça change and all that... ...anyway, it's back to bed... ...snorf, hack, hack... ...hartley, bowman... erffle phew...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 10:51:00 GMT -5
BTW: MT used a timeout properly for one, and no one will even mention it ? Are we only to mention him when he screws up ? Good job...could have done after the 2nd goal...but still good job MT
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 10:54:08 GMT -5
As for Hemsky vs. Komisarek, to me it's not even close. Hemsky's a talented young prospect, but if Komisarek keeps developing at his current rate he'll be a major, major force for 24+ minutes a night three years from now. You can't underestimate the way that changes a team's composition. Agreed If you want to cry about losing out on a player because we drafted Komi...see Tuomo Ruutu! Hemsky seems like a good offensive player though. What a shot that was. But they say he is extremely soft and doesn't fight through checks.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 11:03:04 GMT -5
mmmph! eh? ...i went into hibernation a month ago, wake up for a piss and a glass of water, and see that all is as it was. plus ça change and all that... ...anyway, it's back to bed... ...snorf, hack, hack... ...hartley, bowman... erffle phew...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... Go back to bed Mr. Bozo. Other then Zed, Koivu and Theo there is nothing to see on the ice but third and fourth rate players and an idiotic coach. Tired, really tired of the same old same old............ Savard, either do something or get lost.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 5, 2003 11:17:00 GMT -5
I won't list all of the positives as you guys just about nailed them all. Good one on PTH's part to point out MT's time out.
I honestly thought that was the most positive loss I've seen this year. I mean, I couldn't believe I was watching the same team. That third period was incredible; 14-1 SOG in favour of the Habs? What's up with that?
Thoroughly enjoyed the game; the OT not withstanding. Cheers.
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 5, 2003 11:56:45 GMT -5
Go back to bed Mr. Bozo. Other then Zed, Koivu and Theo there is nothing to see on the ice but third and fourth rate players and an idiotic coach. Tired, really tired of the same old same old............ Savard, either do something or get lost. mfile.akamai.com/3159/wm2/muze.download.akamai. com/2890/us/uswm2/038/436038_1_09.asx?obj=v21203 Copy and paste on your address blank the entire link above.Just a little more patience... I'm actually starting to like the way things are going. Oh yeah, the team is mediocrity at its best, but maybe because of that mediocrity, Savard is starting to move; Jan Bulis or Chad Kilger get extended auditions on the first line; Ron Hainsey is up and playing (well, I might add); Marcel Hossa is up (or will be) and if Mattias Brunet can be believed, a spot in the lineup is his to lose; Jose Theodore is back; Karl Dykhuis has been benched; Mariusz Czerkawski is gone... Took a while, too long perhaps, and it might not have happened if Dykhuis, Czerkawski, Audette and company didn't stink out the joint, but even if it was forced by necessity, I'll take it. Some deserving kids are (slowly) working their way in, and some accumulated deadwood is about to be purged, including, perhaps, the coach (though probably not until the end of the season). This miserable road trip might have been just what the doctor ordered. Bulis, Kilger, Hainsey, Hossa - the veterans didn't work, and now we are going with some young enthusiasm. Its going to be ugly at times, but its a step in the right direction... Anywhoo, off now, be back in a few weeks... I'm expecting big changes by then... ;D
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 5, 2003 12:20:39 GMT -5
A lot of things have already been said in this thread, so I won't repeat them. But I noticed a few things in tonights game that are worth mentioning: 1. CBC first intermission : Scott Russell talks about our national figure skater, Brisebois and says how can a #1 defenseman....Hrudy cuts him off....Markov is #1 ... you da man Kelly! 2. MT plays Juneau on the PP ...maybe he wants him to get some points. I am ok with that since he is a pretty good passer...but why was Dackall on as well? 3. Post game show SRC: The host (I can't remember his name) summarises the game and says that Audette had, and I quote, an "excellent" game. What game was he watching. Ok. He had 2 assists. I am still not convinced. cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 13:03:36 GMT -5
3. Post game show SRC: The host (I can't remember his name) summarises the game and says that Audette had, and I quote, an "excellent" game. What game was he watching. Ok. He had 2 assists. I am still not convinced. LOL It's like the game Ribeiro played against Vancouver...he played a decent game and some people in the french media said he was excellent....
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 13:09:12 GMT -5
mfile.akamai.com/3159/wm2/muze.download.akamai. com/2890/us/uswm2/038/436038_1_09.asx?obj=v21203 Copy and paste on your address blank the entire link above.Just a little more patience... I'm actually starting to like the way things are going. Oh yeah, the team is mediocrity at its best, but maybe because of that mediocrity, Savard is starting to move; Jan Bulis or Chad Kilger get extended auditions on the first line; Ron Hainsey is up and playing (well, I might add); Marcel Hossa is up (or will be) and if Mattias Brunet can be believed, a spot in the lineup is his to lose; Jose Theodore is back; Karl Dykhuis has been benched; Mariusz Czerkawski is gone... Took a while, too long perhaps, and it might not have happened if Dykhuis, Czerkawski, Audette and company didn't stink out the joint, but even if it was forced by necessity, I'll take it. Some deserving kids are (slowly) working their way in, and some accumulated deadwood is about to be purged, including, perhaps, the coach (though probably not until the end of the season). This miserable road trip might have been just what the doctor ordered. Bulis, Kilger, Hainsey, Hossa - the veterans didn't work, and now we are going with some young enthusiasm. Its going to be ugly at times, but its a step in the right direction... Anywhoo, off now, be back in a few weeks... I'm expecting big changes by then... ;D I don't know if you know this BC, but I was the one who chose your avatar and asked Spiro to place it there. It fits you and what I perceive as your frustration when you read some posts. Well, now, like your avatar, I hit my head on a suitably hard surface every time I watch the Hab's play. Some nights I wonder if I should drive to Montreal, break into the Center and have a long talk to Therrien and Savard. Well, at least Savard, Therrien is a waste of burrito space. Yes, patience is needed here but I have precious little virgin skin left on my forehead. It has gotten to the point were by beloved wife prepares cold compresses, bandages and aspirin every time there is a Hab's game on TV. Sort of a cyber warrior going of to battle. Every time I watch them, I sit in wonderment and surprise as to how bad can a team wearing the CH be. How can they play like they did in the first period. How can a number one defenseman fall on his butt like a peewee. How can a team throw on the ice Lindsay, Mckay and Ribiero and call it an NHL caliber line. I can go on, but why? If there was a youth movement from the beginning, I would have hope and bear the ugly moments, but this? This mediocrity? It’s embarrassing. Have a safe trip and you must change your job. No job is worth it if it interferes with posting.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 5, 2003 13:30:51 GMT -5
...If there was a youth movement from the beginning, I would have hope and bear the ugly moments, but this? This mediocrity? It’s embarrassing... ...mmmrahhhf garp... Well, Gratton (team captain, leader in a number of AHL categories, including #1 in scoring), Ward (right on Ben's heels in the scoring derby and playing ouststanding two-way hockey), Komisarek (figuratively growing by leaps and bounds) and Garon (1.99 and .928) are AHL all-stars. François Beauchemin solid on the blueline and leading the league with +27 rating. Hossa a horse and tied with Gratton and Ward for the team goal scoring lead with 19. The sad fact is that these guys just are not old enough to be considered youth for the Habs. To quote the non-pareil M. Perron: "We need rookies with more experience." Or maybe they're just too talented to be on the current roster. ...so tired...nice pirouettes Mr B...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 13:41:14 GMT -5
...mmmrahhhf garp... Well, Gratton (team captain, leader in a number of AHL categories, including #1 in scoring), Ward (right on Ben's heels in the scoring derby and playing ouststanding two-way hockey), Komisarek (figuratively growing by leaps and bounds) and Garon (1.99 and .928) are AHL all-stars. François Beauchemin solid on the blueline and leading the league with +27 rating. Hossa a horse and tied with Gratton and Ward for the team goal scoring lead with 19. The sad fact is that these guys just are not old enough to be considered youth for the Habs. To quote the non-pareil M. Perron: "We need rookies with more experience." Or maybe they're just too talented to be on the current roster. ...so tired...nice pirouettes Mr B...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz... I have seen your Gratton Mr. Bozo and I like his game. A lot. However, we need to kidnap him and chain him to a grinding mill while injecting him with horse sized needles of growth hormones. Sort of like Arnold Schwarzenegger in one of his movies, only uglier.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 5, 2003 14:07:05 GMT -5
I have seen your Gratton Mr. Bozo and I like his game. A lot. However, we need to kidnap him and chain him to a grinding mill while injecting him with horse sized needles of growth hormones. Sort of like Arnold Schwarzenegger in one of his movies, only uglier. ...spoo fnop grak... Ben is the prototypical Little Big Man. He would do some reverse injecting - pump some energy into the team on every shift. 500% the effort at 20% of the cost; not to mentilon some tangible results likely as well. Bring the farm to town and farm out the rats, chickens, dogs and ballerinas. Since I'm composting, maybe it's time to Julien Therrien. ...errronk...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 14:47:06 GMT -5
Could Gratton be the perfect 4th line center?
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 5, 2003 16:53:11 GMT -5
Could Gratton be the perfect 4th line center? I've only been saying this for about 7 months. Cheap, scrappy, dying to wear the CH and earn NHL money, good on face-offs, a true pest, and maybe a guy who can jump up and center the third in a pinch without costing us on defense. The whole Ribeiro on the fourth line thing isn't good for Ribeiro and it isn't good for the team. Next year: Zednick/Koivu/Selanne Bulis/Perreault/Mckay Kilger/Juneau/Hossa Lindsay/Gratton/Ward Markov/Rivet Hainsey/Brisebois Souray/Komisarek Theodore/Garon Moved, retired or otherwise liquidated: Quintal, Gilmour, Dykhuis, Dackell, Hackett, Audette, Czerkawski, Blouin.... "Thank god almighty, we free at last.... " Easier said than done.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 17:13:41 GMT -5
you forgot Hainsey ;D Is Selanne really a free agent again? I thought he signed a 2 year deal Those lines look good My main concern with Gratton as 4th line center...another small center...Koivu-Perreault-JJ-Gratton...yikes
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