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Post by legaspesien on Jan 29, 2003 19:20:42 GMT -5
To Philadelfia for a 2nd joining his friends
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 19:29:53 GMT -5
wow...I can't believe we got a 2nd rounder  I wonder what Gagne and Chewy would do together if they put them together btw the source is CKAC |
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Post by cigarviper on Jan 29, 2003 19:31:39 GMT -5
Another spot on next years Bulldogs' team filled. What will we get? What will we get?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 19:32:38 GMT -5
2nd rounder in 03.
RDS.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 29, 2003 19:38:21 GMT -5
AS stock piling draft choices??? a 3rd in 04, a 2nd in 03... could he use these to trade up on draft day possibly?
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Post by montreal on Jan 29, 2003 19:39:15 GMT -5
Holy Crap A 2nd? Wow. Thats hard to believe. Why would the flyers overpay for Chewy? Maybe Savard can package the extra 2nd and our 1st to move up at the draft this summer? |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 19:40:46 GMT -5
Good point Matt edit: and Montreal
The 3rd from SJ in the Hackett deal
This one
Hopefully more for mediocrety on the roster
Is he gearing up to upgrade at the draft?
Now...will the AS bashers stop saying he deals draft picks for no reason?
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 19:43:24 GMT -5
A 2nd rounder ? Cool. Maybe it'll be worth following the draft this time ;-)
That being said, I wonder what he'll turn into. For quite a while I've thought he might be a Hoglund/Dazé-type gentle giant who can get some goals...
I would have preferred to see him get a chance before his being traded; that being said, I doubt we could have gotten anything at all if he flopped over a 5 game trial.
Asham, Chouinard, Zubrus, Dyment, Robidas, Zholtok.... AS is starting to reach the point where we'll know just how good a talent judge he is, by looking at the guys he let go, vs the guys he gets back. Right now of all those up top, only Zubrus is a clear win for us (ie - better off with Zed), the others are all up in the air...
A 2nd for Chewie is a good deal though - if we hadn't been willing to sign him in the first place that's what we would have gotten, a 2nd rounder. So we just wasted a million or two on the guy, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone in the Habs org anyhow.
Another Houle pick traded.... is Ward far behind ?
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 19:45:12 GMT -5
Now...will the AS bashers stop saying he deals draft picks for no reason? No, because he still has let a lot of picks go. If he consistently manages to get back as many picks as he gives up in minor trades (ie - Blouin), then I'll drop that criticism. But for now, he just managed a couple of good trades in a row, but that doesn't change the overall trend. Yet. |
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 29, 2003 19:55:03 GMT -5
Maybe, but the part of the trend I like is that the picks he keeps and the picks he acquires are high ones, and the picks he gives are (by and large) in the later rounds. He traded a second for a first (Perezhogin), he picks up a second for Chouinard, we get a third next year for Hackett, and a 4th (I think) for Berezin.
I'm shocked that Chouinard brought a 2nd round pick in a deep draft.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2003 19:58:54 GMT -5
My question is this. What does Philly know that we don't?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 20:00:27 GMT -5
My question is this. What does Philly know that we don't? Simon Gagne must have more power in that organization than I thought  |
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 20:00:34 GMT -5
Maybe, but the part of the trend I like is that the picks he keeps and the picks he acquires are high ones, and the picks he gives are (by and large) in the later rounds. He traded a second for a first (Perezhogin), he picks up a second for Chouinard, we get a third next year for Hackett, and a 4th (I think) for Berezin. Agreed on this.... I don't mind AS's handling of the top round picks - he's either kept them, traded them to get an upgrade (from a 2nd to 25th overall) or gotten them, like now or with Hack. The only really bad trade involving a high pick was the one involving Savage and Berezin (ie - we lost a 3d) but it was a worthy gamble. It's all the lesser picks that he doesn't seem to mind giving up that get to me. Not saying it's a serious issue, but it just annoys me. I'm not shocked - he's a big guy with a scoring touch, after all, he could still work out. 1998 was a good year, and maybe the Flyers had scouted Chewie and liked what they saw. Heck, maybe they hoped they could get him and got "stuck" with his teammate Gagné ! I'd say I'm pleasantly surprised though, I expected we'd get a 3d or more likely a 4th if we traded him, which is why I expected to see him stay in the minors. I'm happier with the 2nd rounder myself. |
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Post by Viper on Jan 29, 2003 20:01:39 GMT -5
My question is this. What does Philly know that we don't? why can't the question be what did AS lead them to believe  |
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 29, 2003 20:12:51 GMT -5
I'm not shocked - he's a big guy with a scoring touch, after all, he could still work out. 1998 was a good year, and maybe the Flyers had scouted Chewie and liked what they saw. Heck, maybe they hoped they could get him and got "stuck" with his teammate Gagné ! That was five years ago, PTH. Five years ago and Chouinard really hasn't had more than a sniff of the NHL. If he emerges as a top six forward we'll definitely be able to conclude that Savard is not an infallible judge of young talent..... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 29, 2003 20:15:39 GMT -5
Interesting trade.
Obviously the HABS had no intention of doing anything with Eric and they manage to salvage a 2nd round for him. I like this approach better then the "rot-in-the-ahl-forever" approach they have with Ward.
On the flip side, HABS let go of a former highly touted draft pick that's only 22 without ever giving him a chance and that is never a good sign. If Clark is ready to give a second for a guy that was off our radar this much, then Clark obviously believes Chewy has definite potential. We'll see who's right.
The one thing I always thought was funny about Chouinard is that everyone gave so much heat to Houle for drafting the guy instead of Gagne. Pierre Lacroix, who everybody feel has a sure eye for talent actually picked 3 (three) guys after Chouinard and did not picked Gagne either...
Good luck Eric (something tells me we will see you in a very near future...)
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Post by Habsolution on Jan 29, 2003 20:16:48 GMT -5
I wonder if Chouinard could get it going with Gagne ? Why wasn't it another team that got it ... I smell something bad here. Hope Savard is right on this one ... cuz THIS one could come back and bite us in the ... Unlike the Hackett trade ..
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 20:18:35 GMT -5
The one thing I always thought was funny about Chouinard is that everyone gave so much heat to Houle for drafting the guy instead of Gagne. Pierre Lacroix, who everybody feel has a sure eye for talent actually picked 3 (three) guys after Chouinard and did not picked Gagne either... Yeah but 2 of those guys have turned into pretty good d-man..Skoula and Regehr.. although why wast a first rounder on Scott Parker? |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 20:20:11 GMT -5
I wonder if Chouinard could get it going with Gagne ? Why wasn't it another team that got it ... I smell something bad here. Hope Savard is right on this one ... cuz THIS one could come back and bite us in the ... I doubt he will get a chance with Gagne for at least a few years Flyers have all kinds of good wingers when healthy...Leclair, Recchi, Williams, Brendl(the Czerch version of Chou...with more talent) and of course Gagne. Where does Chouinard fit in? anyways..he was NOT going to be getting a chance here any time soon... |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 29, 2003 20:21:31 GMT -5
I feel a "Dyment" coming..............
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 29, 2003 20:25:02 GMT -5
My question is this. What does Philly know that we don't? Chewy was highly touted and highly ranked for the 1998 draft. He suffered some injuries and was never given a chance by the organization and he's only 22... I keep reading on this board how Savard is a mighty fine GM for not "rushing" any kids in, yet Chewy was considered a total bust by most as early as last year... Clark is defenitely thin on quality forward prospects and Chouinard for a second is not a high risk. IMO Chewy probably still has a higher chance to make it to the NHL then you're regular 2nd round kid. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 29, 2003 20:30:35 GMT -5
It's obvious he was going to rot in the A, so trade him for a pick and give the guy a chance to play somewhere else. We've got too many over priced, under achieving forwards that a guy like Chouinard would have never got an opportunity.
Unfortunately, the habs IMO have a history of letting guys rot in the minors, especially in the 70's and early 80's
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 29, 2003 20:34:35 GMT -5
I feel a "Dyment" coming.............. I doubt it. I've got to think that pretty much everyone is going to see this trade as a clear win for the Habs. Chouinard may prove us wrong in the longrun, but did anyone here think we could get a 2nd round pick for a guy that has been so completely written off by most Habs fans and clearly by Habs management? |
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 20:43:33 GMT -5
That was five years ago, PTH. Five years ago and Chouinard really hasn't had more than a sniff of the NHL. If he emerges as a top six forward we'll definitely be able to conclude that Savard is not an infallible judge of young talent..... That's a good way of putting it. As to "5 years ago" - when we got Bulis AS referred to having liked the guy when he scouted him back in his draft year in 1996... I remember some other trades (can't name them, but remember hearing GM interviews) which essentially came down to "well, he was available, and we liked him in his draft year". |
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 20:45:04 GMT -5
Good luck Eric (something tells me we will see you in a very near future...) I doubt it. I've got to think that pretty much everyone is going to see this trade as a clear win for the Habs. Chouinard may prove us wrong in the longrun, but did anyone here think we could get a 2nd round pick for a guy that has been so completely written off by most Habs fans and clearly by Habs management? Given that management had given up on him, it's a good deal. The real question is, was management justified in giving up on him ? Mystère et boule de gomme... |
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 29, 2003 20:53:46 GMT -5
I doubt it. I've got to think that pretty much everyone is going to see this trade as a clear win for the Habs. Chouinard may prove us wrong in the longrun, but did anyone here think we could get a 2nd round pick for a guy that has been so completely written off by most Habs fans and clearly by Habs management? Well, I don't know if I would call it a "clear win" for the Habs. For certain they got a good pick, a much higher pick than anyone would have expected, but its still only a second round pick, and according to GNick's fantastic draft analysis, 2nd round picks only have about a 33% chance of making it to the NHL. So the question is, does Chouinard have a better than 33% chance of making it to the NHL? Can't says I am overly pleased with the deal, as Chouinard has everything we need - size, talent, goal scorers touch - and he was just starting to put it together in the AHL, after a couple of injury riddled seasons, but its not a back breaker either. Not until Chouinard starts racking up 25 goal seasons it isn't anyways...  Still, a 2nd round pick for a guy who was never going to get a shot here and who was largely regarded by the great unwashed as a bust is a pretty good return... |
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 29, 2003 21:05:54 GMT -5
Hey, i've actually been a bit of a Chouinard supporter the last 2 years...but i'm still quite suprised the Habs got a 2nd for him.
I think its quite possible that Chouinard could be another Jonas Hoglund...similar size, similar touch...both are lazy and lack intensity.
I guess the way i'm looking at it is...would you give up a 2nd round pick for Jonas Hoglund? I sure wouldn't.
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Post by clear observer on Jan 29, 2003 21:07:26 GMT -5
Hey, i've actually been a bit of a Chouinard supporter the last 2 years...but i'm still quite suprised the Habs got a 2nd for him. I think its quite possible that Chouinard could be another Jonas Hoglund...similar size, similar touch...both are lazy and lack intensity. I guess the way i'm looking at it is...would you give up a 2nd round pick for Jonas Hoglund? I sure wouldn't. Hoglund can skate...Chewy....nope. Good deal, CO |
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Post by rocky on Jan 29, 2003 21:19:35 GMT -5
Apparently there is some bad history between AS and Eric's dad Guy. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Guy is now, or had been coaching a relative of AS ( son I believe) and of course ice-time etc. has been questioned, therefore Eric was shipped off to Utah, out of sight. I say that Eric had zero chance to ever progress in this organization. Surely one of you hawks out there know more about this story, my memory ain't what it used to be.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 21:20:25 GMT -5
Hoglund with no Sundin as his center = stiff
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