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Post by rtravale on Nov 11, 2003 14:49:59 GMT -5
How do you know hes refering to his copyrighted material and not other materials from that site like the logo that belongs to the memorabilia site? you got something against CO or something? why are you trying to spin it against him? I don't know that he is referring to his own material, but that is how he makes it sound. I have nothing against Spiro at all. What I am against is hearing that someone used a name, not as an attempt to steal intellectual property but as an homage of sorts because the members were also members of HabsRus, and are being persecuted for it. I think that we as a society are entirely too litigious as it is. Then I see this, and the threat of legal action... it's infuriating. That's all. I'll be honest when I say, it sounds like Spiro is upset he wasn't invited to play (in the Sim League) and now he wants to take his ball home. |
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Post by Psycorp on Nov 11, 2003 14:52:59 GMT -5
I have no choice but to come out of self imposed posting retirement for this one...
CO aka Clear Observer aka Spiro has always treated me and all of the other posters here with the utmost respect, i even witnessed him treat the other boards with respect all the while encouraging us to do the same.
Spiro decided to treat himself and his work with respect. I know it's not worth much but i support him.
As explained in his initial post, he tried repeatedely to get in contact with the two posters and have a discussion with them. (i got absolutely no idea who they are by the way).
he got no answers witch lead him to this.
Posting on this board is not a right but a privilege.
I hope this action permit the two parties to discuss.
Psycorp
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 11, 2003 14:55:39 GMT -5
It doesn't need to be stated anywhere. Although usually much more difficult to enforce when not registered, anything is copyrighted the second it is published--whether in a newspaper or even on a personal website. No joke, this entire paragraph is even copyrighted with its rights owned by its creator (i.e. me). Bingo! 10 Big Myths about copyright explained |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 11, 2003 15:07:11 GMT -5
Forgive me guys and gals, but it's time to raise the colours. I'll tell you this one thing fellow posters. I am a moderator but I am a community member of HABSRUS above all and I've been one since day 1 of the site creation. Through the years, Spiro often had to jump through hoops and bend outa shape to insure that we all have this fun place to come to and talk about our common passion. Spiro dug from his own pocket when he had to and invested a huge deal of his time for us without ever asking for anything in return, aside from the fact that we always show respect for each other when we come about. And Spiro continues to shell out the nickles to keep this site going. And those nickles pile up every day as each opinion is posted. He even refused financial assistance from some of us at one point, feeling that the board membership could have become divided. I remember that very first day of operation as well. You said something like, "... nice, roomy in here..." I also remember the Rivals days that first put this board on the sports radar. And it remains on that radar today; thanks to Spiro's unselfishness. This is, frankly, the best Habs site on the net. Am I biased? Absolutely! However, when you consider that the odd pro player, including some of our beloved Habs, visit this site from time to time, not to mention notable sports media types, my bias becomes substantiated. With that, everyone is still learning how to communicate on this medium. This is a very informal method of communicating, yet be that as it may, I too, share your opinion Doc. I still have my fingers crossed that this can be resolved quickly. Cheers. |
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Post by BLONG7 on Nov 11, 2003 15:09:21 GMT -5
I don't know that he is referring to his own material, but that is how he makes it sound. I have nothing against Spiro at all. What I am against is hearing that someone used a name, not as an attempt to steal intellectual property but as an homage of sorts because the members were also members of HabsRus, and are being persecuted for it. I think that we as a society are entirely too litigious as it is. Then I see this, and the threat of legal action... it's infuriating. That's all. I'll be honest when I say, it sounds like Spiro is upset he wasn't invited to play (in the Sim League) and now he wants to take his ball home. like wise you dont know what material he was refering to. you keep making absurd assumptions. where was this homage when they were spamming the site for recruitment? the respect? and werent we all invited to play as you put it when that spamming post was made?? ill say this again, funny that you are a member of that other site. |
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Post by rtravale on Nov 11, 2003 15:20:32 GMT -5
You do realize this "spam" was "Hey, who wants to play in a sim league?"
This is getting ridiculous.
Spiro, I really like this forum and I'm glad that you have put the time into it. Please don't think I am personally attacking you in this thread. I am just voicing my opinion. I have nothing further to say on this matter and I'm worried that if I this continues then it may get personal.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Nov 11, 2003 15:35:28 GMT -5
I'll tell you this one thing fellow posters. I am a moderator but I am a community member of HABSRUS above all and I've been one since day 1 of the site creation. Through the years, Spiro often had to jump through hoops and bend outa shape to insure that we all have this fun place to come to and talk about our common passion. Spiro dug from his own pocket when he had to and invested a huge deal of his time for us without ever asking for anything in return, aside from the fact that we always show respect for each other when we come about. Spiro should be commanded by all of us for his effort and dedication to maintain our community not questioned and criticized. I strongly hope that those who chose to get in the middle of a situation they know nothing about will take a step back at this point and promptly move to the sideline where they should have stayed. I think this about sums up the way that I feel about this situation and how appreciative I am of Spiro's efforts. I remember being a part of this community before it was a part of RIVALS. I first found out about it because it was one of the top Habs sites according to the Montreal Gazette, and IMO it has become the best Habs site on the net. I consider being a poster here and a member of this community as a privelege and not a right. Spiro has always treated me and everyone on this board with the utmost respect. I don't think it's a far stretch for him to ask for the same from others. I don't want to get into the "issue" in itself, because it's none of my business, but I really hope that everything can get resolved in a civilized and peaceful manner. FG |
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Post by GoMtl on Nov 11, 2003 16:15:07 GMT -5
I don't know that he is referring to his own material, but that is how he makes it sound. I have nothing against Spiro at all. What I am against is hearing that someone used a name, not as an attempt to steal intellectual property but as an homage of sorts because the members were also members of HabsRus, and are being persecuted for it. I think that we as a society are entirely too litigious as it is. Then I see this, and the threat of legal action... it's infuriating. That's all. Great post, I'd reply in further detail myself if I had the time, but other matters have came up, and I no longer do. But I'd just like to say that I think this has gotten way out of hand, and no one should be pointing any fingers because I trust that I know the two former members involved with this, and it's nothing more than a misunderstanding, as the person running the other sites has been trying to get in contact with you Spiro. that's why "I know this because..." |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 11, 2003 16:18:18 GMT -5
Email is so easy to do. Or to ignore. Which was the primary point of the original post in this thread.
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Post by Kareem on Nov 11, 2003 16:38:43 GMT -5
Is this serious? like whom? Who can I start bashing more ;D.
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Post by GoMtl on Nov 11, 2003 16:41:05 GMT -5
Email is so easy to do. Or to ignore. Which was the primary point of the original post in this thread. Exactly. We'll call former member A "Snake", as far as Snake was aware of there was no problem with the sites, and he had received no emails from Spiro, but had been trying to get in contact with him via email. Former member B who we'll call "Mac" received one PM from Spiro of which he wasn't sure the meaning was, as he wasn't the one running either site. As for what Spiro seems to be saying is that he's received little correspondance from either, but was trying to contact both of them several times... It's a he said, she said thing, and I'm really not about to call either parties liars. I'd rather a-ssume that e-mails were not received, I think an incorrect e-mail address or two is more likely than two formerly loyal members turning their back on the creator of this great site for no reason. You people who think Snake and Mac have wronged this forum intentionally obviously don't know either of them. |
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Post by Kareem on Nov 11, 2003 16:52:17 GMT -5
I dont know why you hide the names when its pretty obvious just by looking at the ones turned black.
I've noticed three, but maybe one was already banned.
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Post by GoMtl on Nov 11, 2003 17:07:33 GMT -5
I dont know why you hide the names when its pretty obvious just by looking at the ones turned black. I've noticed three, but maybe one was already banned. The "fake" names were just for fun... Spiro didn't use their names in his initial post so I didn't use them in any of mine. As for JP also known as Habsolution, he has resigned willingly due to personal concerns. |
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Post by franko on Nov 11, 2003 18:17:23 GMT -5
I consider being a poster here and a member of this community as a privelege and not a right. I don't want to get into the "issue" in itself, because it's none of my business, but I really hope that everything can get resolved in a civilized and peaceful manner. FG But I'd just like to say that I think this has gotten way out of hand Is a peaceful resolution possible? Can sanere heads prevail? Should we let those involved work things out, and just say "thanks for keeping us informed"? And now back to hockey . . . |
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Post by HFTO on Nov 11, 2003 19:31:54 GMT -5
Alls I can say I'm pretty disappointed over the whole matter and even more disappointed in many of your reactions.Regardless of intent in which the nameless persons had ample opportunity to work this out,the fact remains they used the success and hard work of others for there benefit.
Some of you maynot see it that way but those are the facts.
Countless hours have gone in to making this site not only the best but maybe the most respected because of the posters and that includes the former members.
Spiro is the first to say that its the posters who make this site and he is but a mere caretaker.Thanks to his work we have a great place to play which makes it even more disappointing.I'm sure none of you would want somebody else riding on your coatails nor associating you with something you are not involved with.
Only through Spiro's respect for the community was this brought to your attention when he didn't get that same respect to resolve this privately.
Instead of slamming our good friend we should be appaulding him and giving him our full support.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Nov 11, 2003 19:42:19 GMT -5
Hear, hear!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 11, 2003 20:44:22 GMT -5
Judging by the amount of posters resignation happening right now, there is obviously a full blown backstabbing operation going on at this moment.
If further proof was needed about the odd agenda of the people at the head of this, than I guess that would be it. Indeed while a certain poster was trying to advocate right here in this thread how this was all an unfortunate misundertanding, posters of this community were receiving invitations via our own Private Mail feature to go to his new HABS site.
Fellow posters, if you're contacted (and you will be), ask yourself this: would you rather be part of a site and community that was built on mutual respect or of one that was built on stolen traffic, lies and false pretense.
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Post by Neo on Nov 11, 2003 21:13:42 GMT -5
Look all I care about is the HABS. I will personally stay on this site because I have always enjoyed posting/reading here. I have no reason to leave. If some people want to start their own cliques/sites thats there perogative. Personally I dont really care. As for stealing content, ideas etc., I can see how some people might take it personally. There's always a solution to any problem. Obviously I don't know the whole story so I hope I am forgiven for my ignorance.
I'm just here for the hockey, no drama.
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Post by PTH on Nov 11, 2003 21:21:09 GMT -5
Fellow posters, if you're contacted (and you will be), ask yourself this: would you rather be part of a site and community that was built on mutual respect or of one that was built on stolen traffic, lies and false pretense. I'd be amazed at being contacted, given that he knew what I thought of him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2003 21:31:28 GMT -5
Hopefully this will all be settled soon so that we can all go back to talking hockey.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 11, 2003 21:34:01 GMT -5
I can't believe this.......
I logged on to this site and I can not believe what I am reading. I knew every inch of what is happening and I know for a fact that Spiro was upset for 2 weeks that he was not getting a response from Viper and Marc. He was agonizing over this and tried to resolve it for 2 weeks with NO RESPONSE.
THERE IS NO DEBATE HERE!
Spiro has build HabsRus from scratch and he is proud of HabsRus and the community it has attracted. Most of you have NO idea what it means to spend so much effort and money to create something then find someone else is using it without permission. It's his love and passion.
HabsRus belongs to Spiro and to no one else. END STORY.
THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT IT.
Spiro,
Delete this, strip my moderating powers.......do whatever you want......I absolutely furious at the lack of loyalty, respect and honour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2003 21:56:43 GMT -5
Fellow posters, if you're contacted (and you will be), ask yourself this: would you rather be part of a site and community that was built on mutual respect or of one that was built on stolen traffic, lies and false pretense. I tried that once a couple of years ago at a different site and a different community. Naturally, it didn't work. |
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 11, 2003 22:05:18 GMT -5
I Agree. I can't believe what's happening. I really can't. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 11, 2003 22:07:41 GMT -5
A self-weeding garden is every home owner's dream.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 11, 2003 22:13:00 GMT -5
Exactly Mr.Bozo now can you help me with that little crabgrass problem I have.
HFTO
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Post by clear observer on Nov 11, 2003 22:14:09 GMT -5
Gentlemen...I'd like to thank you all for your input. It is exactly what a good discussion-board is all about...an exchange of opinions, thoughts and ideas mixed with mutual respect.
Initially I had intended on responding by further enlightening most of you with more facts, dates, timelines, etc...on what exactly has/had transpired and how things unfolded over the past seventeen (17) days...rather, with the helpful guidance of a few good men I like to call my friends, I've decided to close by stating that what did develop is unfortunate yet a common occurance where internet discussion-boards are concerned. Naturally, I would have preferred a different course of events, but some things cannot be helped despite one's efforts.
I understand that some are troubled with the fact that I took this public, and to be honest, I had reservations about it as well...however...I have been one to do my best in sharing as much as possible with the community both the good and the bad as it pertains to the community. I thought this an important issue that needed to be made public and I stand by my decision.
I would also like to thank our lost friends (for lack of a better term) for their respective contributions to this great community and to remind them that the door is always open for re-conciliation.
Thank you and God Speed.
Spiro
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Post by Psycorp on Nov 11, 2003 22:16:21 GMT -5
Ah so those are the two misterious posters, it's kind of sad, they were contributing a lot to this board.... ah well, Spiro was right anyway, go Spiro  this event is very unfortunate.... as somone posted earlier, back to hockey! Cheers everyone. |
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Post by BLONG7 on Nov 11, 2003 22:19:58 GMT -5
if that aint class I dont know what is. and matt if youre readin this any integrity you may have had just went straight out the freakin window. pm-ing people from this site to go to your new site makes you look like the backstabber that you reallly are. gutless and cowardly.
spiro - were here for you man.
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Post by cousin nark on Nov 11, 2003 22:26:58 GMT -5
I was a member from the Rivals board, but i got lost for a while after HabsRus left the temporary home on an old Vancouver fan site (is that right?).
Haven't posted all that much, but have read a ton.
Now, tonight i was messaged to come to a new board, however i would like to take this opportunity to pledge my allegience to Spiro and HabsRus.
Thank You for a great site, and i look forward to a great future here.
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Post by Roggy on Nov 11, 2003 22:28:42 GMT -5
To quote the great BadCompany in probably one of his rare short posts,
"I had a long winded, detailed discussion, stating facts, figures and numerous historical precedents ready to post, but a computer boo-boo ate it. So this is what you get."
Marc and Viper, there is no real point in hiding who you are. I had a bunch of nasty mean stuff to say to you. Several four letter words were typed, soon to be replaced with different ones, but the meaning was there. I've moved on from that, but I will say that I'm extremely disappointed with the way you guys handled this and your lack of cooperation. Spiro is taking the high road, as he is a better man than I, so I'll follow and stop there.
Matt, I'm really shocked that you would SPAM our members, with our own system, and don't forget that what goes around, comes around. Again, since Spiro has seen fit, not to ban you, I'll leave it at that.
I'm confident that the community will become stronger after this, and things will return to normal soon.
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