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Post by Toronthab on Sept 12, 2005 9:09:43 GMT -5
Another good piece from the Star stating that we were ripped off by the oil wholesalers who operate without competition to keep them honest, and who should therefore be regulated by us. Yo! tinyurl.com/95pn8 |
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Post by franko on Sept 12, 2005 10:34:10 GMT -5
Gas prices too high? Try Europe.
By Peter Ford, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Fri Aug 26, 4:00 AM ETPARIS - When Guy Colombier pulls his economy car up to a Paris pump, he allows himself just 15 Euros ($18) worth of gas - barely enough for three gallons. Since prices started rising rapidly earlier this year, says Mr. Colombier, a printing press worker, "I drive a lot more slowly ... and I'm looking for a place to live closer to where I work."
Colombier's pain is shared by drivers all over Europe, where fuel prices are the highest in the world: a gallon of gas in Amsterdam now costs $7.13
it ain't so bad here after all
prices in March! Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 Taiwan Taipei $2.84 Lebanon Beirut $2.63 South Africa Johannesburg $2.62 Nicaragua Managua $2.61 Panama Panama City $2.19 Russia Moscow $2.10 Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74 Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91 Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78 Egypt Cairo $0.65 Nigeria Lagos $0.38 Venezuela Caracas $0.12 And the Washington Post asks
Why Gas Prices Are Too Low |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 12, 2005 11:29:02 GMT -5
It makes sense to commute from Brossard to Montreal through Caracas, filling up the tank and avoiding congestion on the Champlain bridge!
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Post by Toronthab on Sept 13, 2005 18:12:36 GMT -5
Gas prices too high? Try Europe.
By Peter Ford, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Fri Aug 26, 4:00 AM ETPARIS - When Guy Colombier pulls his economy car up to a Paris pump, he allows himself just 15 Euros ($18) worth of gas - barely enough for three gallons. Since prices started rising rapidly earlier this year, says Mr. Colombier, a printing press worker, "I drive a lot more slowly ... and I'm looking for a place to live closer to where I work."
Colombier's pain is shared by drivers all over Europe, where fuel prices are the highest in the world: a gallon of gas in Amsterdam now costs $7.13
it ain't so bad here after all
prices in March! Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 Taiwan Taipei $2.84 Lebanon Beirut $2.63 South Africa Johannesburg $2.62 Nicaragua Managua $2.61 Panama Panama City $2.19 Russia Moscow $2.10 Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74 Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91 Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78 Egypt Cairo $0.65 Nigeria Lagos $0.38 Venezuela Caracas $0.12 And the Washington Post asks
Why Gas Prices Are Too Low You're right. |
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Post by habsaddict2 on Sept 14, 2005 15:28:47 GMT -5
If you think that your prices are high, try filling up in Greece. I am now paying 1.2 E per liter. Roughly 1.70 CAN. OUCH!
You guys should see all the junky little cars that thye have here. Just put wheels on a steel bread box with a lawn motor engine and call it some obscure Japanese name! Viola, a "car".
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2005 17:34:08 GMT -5
If you think that your prices are high, try filling up in Greece. I am now paying 1.2 E per liter. Roughly 1.70 CAN. OUCH! You guys should see all the junky little cars that thye have here. Just put wheels on a steel bread box with a lawn motor engine and call it some obscure Japanese name! Viola, a "car". It was over $1.70 Canadian per litre in Labrador last week (highest price in the country) and the most common vehicle driven there is a V8 full sized pick-up (almost $200 to fill it up!) |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 16, 2005 6:53:25 GMT -5
Gas prices too high? Try Europe.
By Peter Ford, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Fri Aug 26, 4:00 AM ETPARIS - When Guy Colombier pulls his economy car up to a Paris pump, he allows himself just 15 Euros ($18) worth of gas - barely enough for three gallons. Since prices started rising rapidly earlier this year, says Mr. Colombier, a printing press worker, "I drive a lot more slowly ... and I'm looking for a place to live closer to where I work."
Colombier's pain is shared by drivers all over Europe, where fuel prices are the highest in the world: a gallon of gas in Amsterdam now costs $7.13
it ain't so bad here after all
prices in March! Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 Taiwan Taipei $2.84 Lebanon Beirut $2.63 South Africa Johannesburg $2.62 Nicaragua Managua $2.61 Panama Panama City $2.19 Russia Moscow $2.10 Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74 Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91 Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78 Egypt Cairo $0.65 Nigeria Lagos $0.38 Venezuela Caracas $0.12 And the Washington Post asks
Why Gas Prices Are Too Low Nice work Franco. I've often wondered if, rather when, we'd see an increase in North America that is on par with Europe. Mrs Dis and I were in Germany from '86 to '91, and we gassed up at the base pumps as they weren't as inflated as those on the enconomy. However, we purchased gas coupons at the base in Lahr to offset the cost of our traveling. If we didn't we would have had to pay what the regular Deutchers paid and that was about DM 1/litre for blei frei (lead free). That was back in '86. By the time we left in '91, the prices hovered around DM 2/litre. In fact a buddy of mine whose looking over my shoulder right now tells me that it was as high as DM 2.50/litre. We've had it good for a while now and while we're being gouged, we aren't anywhere near what the Europeans are paying. I might be grateful for that but it is in no way an explanation or excuse for the billions others are making off we suckers. Sigh! |
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Post by franko on Sept 16, 2005 7:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by Toronthab on Sept 16, 2005 9:31:25 GMT -5
That of which we shall not speak is good |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 16, 2005 11:14:29 GMT -5
Great find. I enjoyed it and am sharing it with friends. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 17, 2005 10:24:52 GMT -5
Is pizza going to cost more as gas prices climb?Domino's says rising pump prices tough on driversLOS ANGELES - No. 2 pizza delivery chain Domino’s Pizza Inc., whose drivers cover 9 million miles a week in the United States alone, will have to raise prices if the cost of gasoline hovers at the current level for the long haul, Chief Executive David Brandon said on Monday. “At some point it’s going to have to flow through,” Brandon said in an interview. “If fuel prices stay at historically high levels... there will have to be adjustments made that are more permanent in the economics of the business.” - msnbc.msn.com/id/9315738/
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Post by habsaddict2 on Sept 17, 2005 13:27:08 GMT -5
If you think that your prices are high, try filling up in Greece. I am now paying 1.2 E per liter. Roughly 1.70 CAN. OUCH! You guys should see all the junky little cars that thye have here. Just put wheels on a steel bread box with a lawn motor engine and call it some obscure Japanese name! Viola, a "car". It was over $1.70 Canadian per litre in Labrador last week (highest price in the country) and the most common vehicle driven there is a V8 full sized pick-up (almost $200 to fill it up!) I drive a diesel and it is not much of a chosk but my friend has a Hummer H2 and he is putting on a brave face. It is costing him 200 per week and you know something, people who buy cars like that should pay and shut up. Who needs a Hummer in Troronto? Maybe he sholuld buy a 6mpg armoured Hummer to protect himself from rabid squirrels......  |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 17, 2005 18:47:33 GMT -5
It was over $1.70 Canadian per litre in Labrador last week (highest price in the country) and the most common vehicle driven there is a V8 full sized pick-up (almost $200 to fill it up!) I drive a diesel and it is not much of a chosk but my friend has a Hummer H2 and he is putting on a brave face. It is costing him 200 per week and you know something, people who buy cars like that should pay and shut up. Who needs a Hummer in Troronto? Maybe he sholuld buy a 6mpg armoured Hummer to protect himself from rabid squirrels...... LOL .... but pick-ups are necessary in Labrador. No paved roads, winters are harsh (chains go on the tires) .... economy cars are always getting repairs done and windshields replaced. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 19, 2005 7:04:01 GMT -5
It was over $1.70 Canadian per litre in Labrador last week (highest price in the country) and the most common vehicle driven there is a V8 full sized pick-up (almost $200 to fill it up!) I drive a diesel and it is not much of a chosk but my friend has a Hummer H2 and he is putting on a brave face. It is costing him 200 per week and you know something, people who buy cars like that should pay and shut up. Who needs a Hummer in Troronto? Maybe he sholuld buy a 6mpg armoured Hummer to protect himself from rabid squirrels...... Fortunately there is no place in Toronto worth driving to, so, except for commuting to work, Torontonians can economize. |
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Post by blny on Sept 19, 2005 7:21:42 GMT -5
I'm moving to Caracas! lol
Seriously though, the only way prices go down is when oil interests are out of the White House and the UN takes a stand. I've thought about what it would take to bring sanity back to it. An oil war? No, not a price war. An actual war against OPEC nations. That might work for the short term, but it would still result in the power being in the hands of the few. In the end, governments are going to have to get heavily involved. I don't mean removing, or lowering the tax on fuel either.
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Post by roke on Sept 19, 2005 8:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by habsaddict2 on Sept 19, 2005 15:03:15 GMT -5
Much to my suprise, gas prices are falling in Greece. When I first arrived they were at slightly over 1 Euro, now they are under .9 Euro. I am assuming that it is the same thing in Canada. This would only go to prove that the oil industry is so tight that events in one place can affect the whole planet.
We need to massivly invest in nuclear and "clean" coal because the day of oil prices sending the planet into a depression is just around the corner. If we invest in electric energy AND fullly devlop the tar sands, Canada is the "place to be" in the Western world.
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Post by Habit on Sept 19, 2005 16:35:47 GMT -5
Back in 2001 when I was in Syria / Israel:
Syria = $0.08/L. 5 km away in Israel = $3.50 US/L.
2005
UAE (Oil Rich) = $2.50/L
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Post by Toronthab on Sept 19, 2005 18:49:59 GMT -5
Back in 2001 when I was in Syria / Israel: Syria = $0.08/L. 5 km away in Israel = $3.50 US/L. 2005 UAE (Oil Rich) = $2.50/L All this time I thouhg they were saying OYVEY! and it was OILPAY!!! |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 19, 2005 21:26:24 GMT -5
So last year Exxon set a record, with a peak quarterly profit of $8.4 billion, and a yearly profit of over $25 billion. According to this article, they appear set to soar past that, with a record quarterly profit of over $10 billion. Yearly profits I am going to assume in the $30-40 billion range. Wouldn't it be great if the major oil companies "rolled back" their profits from 2005 to 2004 levels, and donated the rest to Katrina relief? I mean, they're reaping untold benefits from this human tragedy, you'd think they could give some back. $1.6 billion from Exxon, another few billion from other major oil companies, pretty soon you'd have a significant contribution, no? If they rolled back their yearly profits to 2004 levels, they'd probably be close to a $100 billion that could be used to rebuild. Wouldn't that be great? Sigh. |
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2005 21:48:58 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be great if the major oil companies "rolled back" their profits from 2005 to 2004 levels, and donated the rest to Katrina relief? I mean, they're reaping untold benefits from this human tragedy, you'd think they could give some back. $1.6 billion from Exxon, another few billion from other major oil companies, pretty soon you'd have a significant contribution, no? If they rolled back their yearly profits to 2004 levels, they'd probably be close to a $100 billion that could be used to rebuild. Wouldn't that be great? Sigh. Shareholders want their dividends. Corporate Execs want their bonuses. Politicians want their donations. Sigh. I want my MTV |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 20, 2005 11:20:07 GMT -5
Just heard on the radio that it cost $250.00 to fill the tank of a Hummer H2 in France. This was from the owner of two Hummer dealerships in Paris. I guess if you want valet parking and don't want to be stuck beside all those plebian Ferarri's and Maybachs you need something special. I didn't know if the turning circle of the hummer allowed you to do a U-turn without the bumpers crossing into Spain and Italy.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 20, 2005 11:51:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be great if the major oil companies "rolled back" their profits from 2005 to 2004 levels, and donated the rest to Katrina relief? I mean, they're reaping untold benefits from this human tragedy, you'd think they could give some back. $1.6 billion from Exxon, another few billion from other major oil companies, pretty soon you'd have a significant contribution, no? If they rolled back their yearly profits to 2004 levels, they'd probably be close to a $100 billion that could be used to rebuild. Wouldn't that be great? Sigh. Shareholders want their dividends. Corporate Execs want their bonuses. Politicians want their donations. Sigh. I want my MTVNot asking them to give up ALL their profits, just roll back their profits to 2004 levels. Which were, after all, record profits. So instead of making say, $35 billion in profits in 2005, they only "make" $25 billion, and they give the "extra" $10 billion to the Katrina rebuild. Everybody still gets their dividends, bonuses and donations, only at the 2004 level, not 2005. Heck, cause I am so generous, I'll even allow for inflation, and tack an extra 2.5% onto the corporate bottom line, so they don't have to give it to those greedy, free-loading Louisinanans... But yeah, sigh... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 20, 2005 12:10:50 GMT -5
Welcome to the Global Village, and a re-zoning of your neighbourhood.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 20, 2005 14:21:57 GMT -5
Shareholders want their dividends. Corporate Execs want their bonuses. Politicians want their donations. Sigh. I want my MTVNot asking them to give up ALL their profits, just roll back their profits to 2004 levels. Which were, after all, record profits. So instead of making say, $35 billion in profits in 2005, they only "make" $25 billion, and they give the "extra" $10 billion to the Katrina rebuild. Everybody still gets their dividends, bonuses and donations, only at the 2004 level, not 2005. Heck, cause I am so generous, I'll even allow for inflation, and tack an extra 2.5% onto the corporate bottom line, so they don't have to give it to those greedy, free-loading Louisinanans... But yeah, sigh... If you can't fight em, join em. Tell your broker to buy 1000 shares of Exxon or whatever. It's easy to portray the oil companies as evil robber barons and carpetbaggers, but the shareholders are people like you and me, err........... actually I wasn't smart enough to buy Exxon and I invested in Ford Motor Company. Bottom line is, the oil companies are all publically traded corporations and very widely held stocks by a diverse group of people including widows and pensioners. Much of the wealth is held by mutual funds. Maybe the poor in New Orleans don't hold any shares but there is no reason that you and I don't. That includes Haliburton and Northrop Grumman. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 20, 2005 14:24:13 GMT -5
Why is gas so expensive in norway? They export more than they consume and roads aren't effective in the fiords?
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 20, 2005 14:32:52 GMT -5
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you… oh, never mind.
Again, I'm not suggesting they go with NO profits. Merely suggesting they keep the same (record) profits from last year, and donate the rest to rebuilding the south.
Everybody wins?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 20, 2005 14:38:31 GMT -5
People yammer about having the freedom to make a buck, and then wail when someone else does. Sheesh! What is capitalism coming to?
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Post by Habit on Sept 20, 2005 15:16:41 GMT -5
I was just reading in an older Reader's Digest (Feb 2005) about taxes on gas prices. From what I can remember:
Based on October 2004 prices:
Country - Price/L - Taxes - Total/L
USA = 0.53 + 0.13 = 0.66
Canada = 0.55 + 0.13 = 0.86
Spain = 0.61 + 0.81 = 1.42
Japan = 0.74 + 0.68 = 1.42
France = 0.52 + 1.20 = 1.72
Italy = 0.64 + 1.17 = 1.81
Germany = 0.58 + 1.27 = 1.85
UK = 0.53 + 1.33 = 1.86
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Post by Toronthab on Sept 20, 2005 23:38:59 GMT -5
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you… oh, never mind. Again, I'm not suggesting they go with NO profits. Merely suggesting they keep the same (record) profits from last year, and donate the rest to rebuilding the south. Everybody wins? What a great idea! I think we are inclined in this era of the business corporation to forget that the natural resources of the planet, ok, universe are for the benefit of the inhabitants of same us. All of us. There is no divine right of the greediest. No private interest outweighs the life and wellbeing of all the rest. The rapacious corporations will seek out the cheapest labour in the world and play starvation politics as long as there is hunger to be found. Corporations are legitimate only insofar as they serve the common good. In a democracy, the reins are in the hands of our representatives. May they re-present all in their deliberations. France took up the initiative the other day. Vive la France. |
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