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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 5, 2006 10:10:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates Ryan, much appreciated.
As I expected we're more or less around last year's number in terms of payroll with, IMO, no out of whack raises due to any of our RFAs. We might be a tad over 37 when everybody signs which still gives us good leeway.
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Post by montreal on Jul 6, 2006 7:28:29 GMT -5
Streit got 600K per season.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 6, 2006 7:44:22 GMT -5
Streit got 600K per season. Great, thanks Dan. Do you mind me asking where you saw that? |
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Post by montreal on Jul 8, 2006 16:17:53 GMT -5
Streit got 600K per season. Great, thanks Dan. Do you mind me asking where you saw that? nhlpa.com |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 10, 2006 13:01:21 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the Devils are on the hook for Mogilny and Markov’s salaries this year and that they count against the cap… Why is that, and does that mean that Dagenais’ and Vandermeer’s salaries count against our cap this year?
If so, is that about a million bucks less we can “use?”
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 10, 2006 13:56:44 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the Devils are on the hook for Mogilny and Markov’s salaries this year and that they count against the cap… Why is that, and does that mean that Dagenais’ and Vandermeer’s salaries count against our cap this year? If so, is that about a million bucks less we can “use?” Mogilny and Malakhov signed Multi-year deals last year which is why Lou is still stuck with them. On the other hand Dagenais and Vandermeer only signed (thank God) one year deals last year. |
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Post by Ryan on Jul 11, 2006 8:22:51 GMT -5
Well after Komi accepted his QO yesterday ($946,826) we're down to Perezhogin, Ryder, and Aebischer. I would expect Perezhogin and Aebischer to accept their QOs sooner rather than later, but Ryder will probably come down to the wire again. He should come in somewhere between $2-$2.5mil.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 12, 2006 9:02:24 GMT -5
According to NHLPA.com Aebischer has accepted his QO for the ever popular $1.9 mil (see Ribs and Zed).
Just Perezhogin and Ryder to go.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 12, 2006 20:32:29 GMT -5
With the flurry of activity today, I'd say our new lines could shape up like this... Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Samsonov - Ribeiro - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Plekanec - Johnson
Murray - Bonk - Begin
Markov - Komisarek
Souray - Rivet
Bouillon - Dandenault
Streit
Huet
Aebischer Not too friggin shabby. But 1 of Plekanec or Ribeiro must step up and become worthy of such skilled and dynamic wingers. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 12, 2006 21:01:19 GMT -5
With the flurry of activity today, I'd say our new lines could shape up like this... Higgins - Koivu - Ryder
Samsonov - Ribeiro - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Plekanec - Johnson
Murray - Bonk - Begin
Markov - Komisarek
Souray - Rivet
Bouillon - Dandenault
Streit
Huet
Aebischer Not too friggin shabby. But 1 of Plekanec or Ribeiro must step up and become worthy of such skilled and dynamic wingers. Remember Gainey said he was going to leave an "open spot" on the roster for one of the rookies to feel they have a chance at a spot. Bonk will be on the third line with Latendresse and Johnson. |
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Post by Ryan on Jul 12, 2006 21:20:38 GMT -5
Updated with Samsonov's contract we have a little under $4mil to spend.
I'm guessing Gainey won't exceed $42mil and Ryder will cost about $2.5mil which will put us almost there.
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Post by Bob on Jul 13, 2006 11:34:11 GMT -5
The hockey analysis site lists the Habs at $38.6 million with 20 players signed. They still need to sign Ryder and Perezhogin which would likely take another $3 million and a rookie (Kostsitsyn perhaps) for around $700k.
That would bring the total to $42.3 million for the 23 man roster.
Of course, Souray's request for a trade and the cost of his replacement could affect the total as well. An upgrade over Ribeiro could push the total higher as well.
At this point GG is spending close the cap limit... something that many posters didn't expect and griped about in advance.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 13, 2006 15:39:57 GMT -5
...and then there were 2. Perezhogin and Ryder remain as the only RFAs in the organization. I'd say Gainey is a couple of phone calls away from a vacation  |
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 13, 2006 18:45:40 GMT -5
...and I don't expect that salary to sit at that level all season. I know Souray will eventually go, but I think someone or some others will be gone as well.
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Post by Ryan on Jul 16, 2006 8:28:36 GMT -5
Perezhogin has signed for $627,000 leaving only Ryder.
Sound like last year?
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Post by Skilly on Jul 16, 2006 11:36:02 GMT -5
Perezhogin has signed for $627,000 leaving only Ryder. Sound like last year? Not quite. Last year Ryder wanted 1 million because he felt he was on par with Ribeiro. Once Gainey finished signing everybody he gave Ryder his one million. This year Gainey has set the market. He gave a player who had a reduction in production a 60+% raise. Just like Muckler set the market when he signed Spezza to a 2 year 9 million dollar contract, and Havlat's agent felt that Havlat was therefore worth 4 million + and filed for arbitration. Muckler knew he was going to lose this case and traded him. Gainey must feel he is going to win this case. In any regard I think Gainey will be offering at least 1.6 million to 1.75 million (60%-75% raise), based on the Ribeiro deal. Then there is the added benefit of those "useless, unintelligent" 30 goals. I was thinking that Gainey was going to trade him before the negotiating deadline yesterday ..... I guess he still can ... but to go to arbtration, gainey must think he is going to either win, or the Ryder camp will reduce their last offer in order to win their case. Everyone jumps on me for thinking it is all Gainey's fault , and yet alot of people think it is all Ryder's fault. (and nobody calls them on it). Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Gainey intentionally left Ryder until last both times? It takes 2 to negotiate, and maybe Ryder wants to go to arbitration, or maybe Gainey does .... |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 16, 2006 12:21:35 GMT -5
Everyone jumps on me for thinking it is all Gainey's fault , and yet alot of people think it is all Ryder's fault. (and nobody calls them on it). Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Gainey intentionally left Ryder until last both times? It takes 2 to negotiate, and maybe Ryder wants to go to arbitration, or maybe Gainey does .... It is a pecular situation to analyze. I wish I had more inside info on this one. A good manager would normally tackle the task he/she least looks forward to, first. So two years in a row, Gainey's left Ryder to last. If Gainey does indeed tackle the toughest negotiations first, then he must not feel Ryder's contract is an issue. Or....this line of reasoning is totally off base. HA...you have done a lot of negotiating in your storied past...what's your take? |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 16, 2006 15:23:12 GMT -5
Everyone jumps on me for thinking it is all Gainey's fault , and yet alot of people think it is all Ryder's fault. (and nobody calls them on it). Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Gainey intentionally left Ryder until last both times? It takes 2 to negotiate, and maybe Ryder wants to go to arbitration, or maybe Gainey does .... It is a pecular situation to analyze. I wish I had more inside info on this one. A good manager would normally tackle the task he/she least looks forward to, first. So two years in a row, Gainey's left Ryder to last. If Gainey does indeed tackle the toughest negotiations first, then he must not feel Ryder's contract is an issue. Or....this line of reasoning is totally off base. HA...you have done a lot of negotiating in your storied past...what's your take? He signed Perezhogin on the day that was his last available to talk to Ryder. That says it all ... no urgency what so ever. The only negotiating he can do now is ... "You are worth X dollars because ....... " in front of an arbitrator. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 19, 2006 15:14:04 GMT -5
He signed Perezhogin on the day that was his last available to talk to Ryder. You are so wrong!! ;D Vermette signed yesterday so RFA's can still be signed. I know I read somewhere that Gainey had until 6pm on a Saturday (I even said to myself how strange is it that he has until Saturday?). Not sure if it was a local paper or in passing reading a news thread on the internet .... but from now on I am going to post things I question and not take some journalist's writing as truth. When have they ever been right anyway?? Anyone else sick of the Toronto media's newest mantra since signing Peca? .... he welcomes playing in hockey's most intense environment .... am i allowed to curse?? Cause non-curse words don't do it justice how I feel about this garbage. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 19, 2006 15:53:58 GMT -5
He signed Perezhogin on the day that was his last available to talk to Ryder. You are so wrong!! ;D Vermette signed yesterday so RFA's can still be signed. I know I read somewhere that Gainey had until 6pm on a Saturday (I even said to myself how strange is it that he has until Saturday?). Not sure if it was a local paper or in passing reading a news thread on the internet .... but from now on I am going to post things I question and not take some journalist's writing as truth. When have they ever been right anyway?? Anyone else sick of the Toronto media's newest mantra since signing Peca? .... he welcomes playing in hockey's most intense environment .... am i allowed to curse?? Cause non-curse words don't do it justice how I feel about this garbage. The way always understood it was that players and teams can make agreements at any time, right up to the point that the arbitrator lifts his gavel (if he even has a gavel) to make a ruling. Once that ruling is made it's either sign, trade or waive (walk). So I still think Gainey and Ryder could come to an agreement before the terms are dictated. I can only surmise that it's Ryder's agent, whoever that is, that plays hardball every contract year. Makes no sense to yank a player like Ryder around. Those down easterners aren't difficult to deal with are they? |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 19, 2006 16:16:23 GMT -5
Those down easterners aren't difficult to deal with are they? No ...just me.  |
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 23, 2006 17:15:23 GMT -5
So, now with a full roster signed we're sitting at $41,993,300.00 A little over what George said he wanted to be at, I believe $38-$39M. So, either Bob runs the show or George is just waiting for Bob for shed some salary before the season starts like a good boy. Any bets on who's in charge? My guess is barring a trade coming our way that is hard to refuse, we have our lineup for the opening faceoff in October. Looks good, but could be better. Overall, I'm content for now. Ask me again in November. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Jul 23, 2006 21:26:33 GMT -5
While we can nit-pick about overpaying some players, I think Gainey has done a good job getting the "roster" signed and avoiding any potentially ugly situations come training camp. However IMHO, I believe that Bob will shed some salary to get more wiggle room under the cap. Good job Mr. Gainey, enjoy your 2 week vacation. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 23, 2006 22:03:01 GMT -5
While we can nit-pick about overpaying some players, I think Gainey has done a good job getting the "roster" signed and avoiding any potentially ugly situations come training camp. However IMHO, I believe that Bob will shed some salary to get more wiggle room under the cap. Good job Mr. Gainey, enjoy your 2 week vacation. So, Bob was able to talk you down from that ledge huh? ;D Good-O! |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 23, 2006 22:15:08 GMT -5
So, now with a full roster signed we're sitting at $41,993,300.00 We are around $41,450,000.00. Bob's current 23 man roster includes 3 goalies. I doubt he keeps 3 goalies with the team. Yann Danis will be in Hamilton (unless Abby is moved), and won't count towards the cap ..... (unless it is a one-way deal, which I doubt) |
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 23, 2006 22:23:58 GMT -5
So, now with a full roster signed we're sitting at $41,993,300.00 Bob's current 23 man roster includes 3 goalies. I doubt he keeps 3 goalies with the team. Yann Danis will be in Hamilton (unless Abby is moved), and won't count towards the cap ..... (unless it is a one-way deal, which I doubt) True, but we're closer to $41,449,900.00 Are you including the GST? You know, it's only 6% now right? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 24, 2006 2:26:03 GMT -5
Does anybody else think that we are underpaying Begin? I certainly don't advocate overpaying anybody, but I do want to be fair to the warrior who wears # 22.
As a manager with considerable HR experience, I know that you can sometimes get away with underpaying certain people, but sometimes you do the right thing, just because it's the right thing to do!
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Post by Ryan on Jul 24, 2006 9:31:31 GMT -5
The payroll right now is at $41,449,494 (or darn close to it), with just 1 spot to fill. The most expensive kid on the farm is Kastitsyn, which would bring us up to $42,251,194 but there is still the Aebischer situation to deal with.
If Abby is moved and no roster player comes back, slipping Danis in as the back-up would save $1.36mil giving us a shade over $3mil in cap room heading into the season.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 24, 2006 11:31:11 GMT -5
So, now with a full roster signed we're sitting at $41,993,300.00 We are around $41,450,000.00. Bob's current 23 man roster includes 3 goalies. I doubt he keeps 3 goalies with the team. Yann Danis will be in Hamilton (unless Abby is moved), and won't count towards the cap ..... (unless it is a one-way deal, which I doubt) In the words of the immortal bard, "All's well that ends well!" |
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Post by Anardil1 on Jul 24, 2006 19:39:02 GMT -5
While we can nit-pick about overpaying some players, I think Gainey has done a good job getting the "roster" signed and avoiding any potentially ugly situations come training camp. However IMHO, I believe that Bob will shed some salary to get more wiggle room under the cap. Good job Mr. Gainey, enjoy your 2 week vacation. So, Bob was able to talk you down from that ledge huh? ;D Good-O! I was never on a ledge. I was H.A.'s co-pilot on the "Bandwagon of Woe & Despair". And I was unceremoniously abandoned on the bandwagon in a dark and smelly barn! I only dared to come out once Mr. Gainey finally started making moves to improve the team, (which I must point out was my gripe, I didn't chime in on the signings of current roster players.) |
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