Habs Payroll for 2006-2007

[Toronthab]

habsfaninla said:

Does anybody else think that we are underpaying Begin? I certainly don't advocate overpaying anybody, but I do want to be fair to the warrior who wears # 22.
As a manager with considerable HR experience, I know that you can sometimes get away with underpaying certain people, but sometimes you do the right thing, just because it's the right thing to do!

I find myself in the awkward position of considering whether or not to cry out in protest at paying a guy one million dollars to play hockey for one year. I think I (unlike the fans)would not consider myself hard done by if I were similarly treated.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

toronthab said:

habsfaninla said:

Does anybody else think that we are underpaying Begin? I certainly don't advocate overpaying anybody, but I do want to be fair to the warrior who wears # 22.
As a manager with considerable HR experience, I know that you can sometimes get away with underpaying certain people, but sometimes you do the right thing, just because it's the right thing to do!

I find myself in the awkward position of considering whether or not to cry out in protest at paying a guy one million dollars to play hockey for one year. I think I (unlike the fans)would not consider myself hard done by if I were similarly treated.

I too see the conundrum. Begin is getting what his skill commands. He is PLAYING a game I love to play in an arena I would love to play in. He is not toiling 12 hour days underground in a mine in Ontario or fishing in a small boat in the frigid stormy Atlantic.
He is however in a career where job security is minimal, age discrimination is acceptable and the average length of employment is under 6 productive years. He contributes to the team in many intangible ways that a Bonk or Rivet do not.

[insomnius]

ah the problems created when one employee knows what the others make -

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

I remember at one point seeing all the NHL teams cap status. I know that the Devils are in deep doo doo and the Flyers are not far behind. Is there a running spreadsheet somewhere?
Follow up question:
What happens to NJ if Lou ends up exceeding the cap?
a) slap on the wrist
b) points lost
c) players released (legal consequences)
d) lawyers field day
e) fines (big deal)

[roke]

I'm pretty sure the penalties for not being under the cap are in the CBA, I'll take a look at it later tonight if no one else beats me to it.

[Skilly]

I believe (and am waiting to be proven wrong) that a team CAN NOT begin the season over the gap.

During the season, however, a team can exceed the gap for periods of time .... but their total salary at the end of the season must be brought under the cap.

I don't think the question "What if the don't" enters the equation. For one, the NHL head office will not let a team ice a team over the gap at the start of the season .... and during the season the NHL is suppose to monitor the team to ENSURE it gets under the cap.

So to apply it to the Devils and Flyers. The Devils must trade Gionta and more to get under the 44 million cap that they are currently over.

The Flyers situation is a bit more interesting. They have 4 million dollars and could sign Gagne for that (but he is asking for 6 million) ... but since Gagne is a restricted free agent who did not file for arbitration Clarkey could let him rot until he agrees to play for 4 million or less and once Dec 1 comes along Gagne cannot play this year. In essence, Clarkey now has him by the short and curlies. *Now you see why Ryder filed for arbitration ... it made the Habs enter into serious negotiations or leave it into the hands of a crazy third party, and possibly lose him for nothing*

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

skilly said:

I believe (and am waiting to be proven wrong) that a team CAN NOT begin the season over the gap.

During the season, however, a team can exceed the gap for periods of time .... but their total salary at the end of the season must be brought under the cap.

I don't think the question "What if the don't" enters the equation. For one, the NHL head office will not let a team ice a team over the gap at the start of the season .... and during the season the NHL is suppose to monitor the team to ENSURE it gets under the cap.

So to apply it to the Devils and Flyers. The Devils must trade Gionta and more to get under the 44 million cap that they are currently over.

The Flyers situation is a bit more interesting. They have 4 million dollars and could sign Gagne for that (but he is asking for 6 million) ... but since Gagne is a restricted free agent who did not file for arbitration Clarkey could let him rot until he agrees to play for 4 million or less and once Dec 1 comes along Gagne cannot play this year. In essence, Clarkey now has him by the short and curlies. *Now you see why Ryder filed for arbitration ... it made the Habs enter into serious negotiations or leave it into the hands of a crazy third party, and possibly lose him for nothing*

I understand what you say. "A team can NOT begin the season over the cap."
What does Bettman do if NJ is over the cap?
Forefit games and refund season ticket holders? Cancel games? Disburse players? Fine owners? Five minute penalty to begin a game? Cancel contracts? Which ones?

[Habit]

This question came up last year when, suprise... the Devils, when there was a fear that they would be over the cap at the beginning of the season. I remember reading an article on the Canoe website that Gary Betman stated that NJ would forfit every game that they were over the cap.

Hope it doesn't happen, but I would be interesting if it did.

[Skilly]

habsfaninla said:

I understand what you say. "A team can NOT begin the season over the cap."
What does Bettman do if NJ is over the cap?
Forefit games and refund season ticket holders? Cancel games? Disburse players? Fine owners? Five minute penalty to begin a game? Cancel contracts? Which ones?

I believe the NHL will force the Devils to comply with the rules ... in other words they would make them make roster moves to comply with the cap rules. Right now New Jersey is about 2.5 million over the cap .... I was astonished that the NHL actually let them accept Gomez's $5 million srbitration award. (By doing so they are creating the possibility of New Jersey stating they can't get "fair market" value for their players when it comes time to move them). But I guess - or I would hope - that Bettman's has issued a strong enough ultimatum, when he agreed to let the contract pass, that Lou will act and get his cap situation under control.

My guess is that if Lou can not get fair market value ... you will see him ice a team of about 18-19 bodies in the first month and have anyone who can play in the minors there to start the season. But the one known fact in all of this is that there is no way he can sign Gionta now ... and the NHL should not let him until they get the cap situation under control. All of this because of Mogilny and Malakhov ....

[Anardil1]

Philly apparently have offered R/A from Vancouver Ryan Kesler $1.9 million for 1 year. Last season he totaled 23 points. I guess Ribeiro is a bargain now, right?

[PTH]

Ribeiro will need to be taken out, and Niinimaa added, at 2.4 or 2.5 million, depending on the source you choose to trust...

[Ranger Ranchod]

Did I miss something? Does Bouillon really make almost 2 mil a year or is that typo, like maybe the Habs are paying part of Malakhov's contract still or something??

[Skilly]

rangerranchod said:

Did I miss something? Does Bouillon really make almost 2 mil a year or is that typo, like maybe the Habs are paying part of Malakhov's contract still or something??

That my friend, is not a typo ... ..... only 2 teams in the league crazy enough to give a 5'8" - 6th-7th defenseman close to 2 million .... us and the Leafs. (I know Domi isn't a defenseman, but he made his money by selling "heart" as well)

[Ranger Ranchod]

Hey, I'm a fan of a team that was (thankfully I can use the past tense now) notorious for giving away bad contracts and overpaying for lower-end (as well as mid-range and upper-level) players, but an almost 2 mil, multi-year deal for Bouillon? That's bad by any standard.

[Toronthab]

rangerranchod said:

Hey, I'm a fan of a team that was (thankfully I can use the past tense now) notorious for giving away bad contracts and overpaying for lower-end (as well as mid-range and upper-level) players, but an almost 2 mil, multi-year deal for Bouillon? That's bad by any standard.

Boullion and Domi both in a hockey posting. Poor Cube, galliant true Hab of power and grace.

Domi on the other hand, while not a hockey player, plays well with the toronto crowd. This reveals something unfortunate about the Toronto hockey crowd.

Domi was there to appeal to the ditzy, self-worshipping airhead female contingent of the Western intellectual wasteland. His gift reduces to this. Given the peculiarities of his stature and his bald head, he bears a striking resemblance to ......a penis.

And they say there's no justice...

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

toronthab said:

rangerranchod said:

Hey, I'm a fan of a team that was (thankfully I can use the past tense now) notorious for giving away bad contracts and overpaying for lower-end (as well as mid-range and upper-level) players, but an almost 2 mil, multi-year deal for Bouillon? That's bad by any standard.

Boullion and Domi both in a hockey posting. Poor Cube, galliant true Hab of power and grace.

Domi on the other hand, while not a hockey player, plays well with the toronto crowd. This reveals something unfortunate about the Toronto hockey crowd.

Domi was there to appeal to the ditzy, self-worshipping airhead female contingent of the Western intellectual wasteland. His gift reduces to this. Given the peculiarities of his stature and his bald head, he bears a striking resemblance to ......a penis.

And they say there's no justice...

Domi would have been a decent hockey player if his head weren't so big and thick (he's a natural for a lead role in the "Thunderbirds" movie).

[Toronthab]

mrbozo said:

toronthab said:

Boullion and Domi both in a hockey posting. Poor Cube, galliant true Hab of power and grace.

Domi on the other hand, while not a hockey player, plays well with the toronto crowd. This reveals something unfortunate about the Toronto hockey crowd.

Domi was there to appeal to the ditzy, self-worshipping airhead female contingent of the Western intellectual wasteland. His gift reduces to this. Given the peculiarities of his stature and his bald head, he bears a striking resemblance to ......a penis.

And they say there's no justice...

Domi would have been a decent hockey player if his head weren't so big and thick (he's a natural for a lead role in the "Thunderbirds" movie).

AHhh...his true avocation emerges...heh heh heh.

[clear observer]

toronthab said:

...he bears a striking resemblance to ......a penis...

Now you know why so many like calling him a "dick".

[Doc Holliday]

...here's a great link to all salaries and cap hits by team

www.nhlnumbers.com/

[Skilly]

docholliday said:

...here's a great link to all salaries and cap hits by team

www3.telus.net/public/dreyes/nhl/

Thats an awesome site .... but it paints an entirely different picture than most sites I have been on. According to this site, we have 3 million in cap space available. That can't be true, can it?

[Ryan]

skilly said:

docholliday said:

...here's a great link to all salaries and cap hits by team

www3.telus.net/public/dreyes/nhl/

Thats an awesome site .... but it paints an entirely different picture than most sites I have been on. According to this site, we have 3 million in cap space available. That can't be true, can it?

Definitely not true. There should be some savings from Bouillon's injury to start the season, but nothing to that extent.

We definitely don't have $3mil in cap room, even after the injury to Bouillon. We might have close to $2mil, but I think even that is guessing on the high side.

[Skilly]

ryan said:

skilly said:

Thats an awesome site .... but it paints an entirely different picture than most sites I have been on. According to this site, we have 3 million in cap space available. That can't be true, can it?

Definitely not true. There should be some savings from Bouillon's injury to start the season, but nothing to that extent.

We definitely don't have $3mil in cap room, even after the injury to Bouillon. We might have close to $2mil, but I think even that is guessing on the high side.

I have us with 1.1 million in cap space .... but I am no expert.

[Ryan]

skilly said:

ryan said:

Definitely not true. There should be some savings from Bouillon's injury to start the season, but nothing to that extent.

We definitely don't have $3mil in cap room, even after the injury to Bouillon. We might have close to $2mil, but I think even that is guessing on the high side.

I have us with 1.1 million in cap space .... but I am no expert.

That's right where I have us as well, and if I'm off at all, it isn't by much.