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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 24, 2003 22:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by clear observer on Feb 25, 2003 0:24:05 GMT -5
Making this a sticky is a sign of giving up.
Can't do it young man. Sorry.
CO
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Post by Montrealer on Feb 25, 2003 0:33:11 GMT -5
Making this a sticky is a sign of giving up. Can't do it young man. Sorry. CO Appreciate it CO, I'm not giving up until we're either in or mathematically eliminated. |
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Post by Habsolution on Feb 25, 2003 0:44:17 GMT -5
Appreciate it CO, I'm not giving up until we're either in or mathematically eliminated. Wow ... spoken like true habs fans. I think I'm not one of yours ... Tonight was a 4 point game. The caps were the team we could have finished in front of. If it was only the loss ... it's more the way we played the last 4 games ... it's also the fact that we lost Q-ball ... He was one of the steadiest dman we had ... Think we can still afford to lose Brisebois ? Rivet-Komisarek-Traverse on the right side give me a very slight impression we just can't win about 11-12 of the 18 games remaining. But that's just me and my negative attitude. Anyway keep a close eye on this thread we're going to be mathematically eliminated soon enough. The sooner the better ... may it forces Savard to do the right thing. |
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Post by clear observer on Feb 25, 2003 16:33:41 GMT -5
Wow ... spoken like true habs fans. I think I'm not one of yours ... Tonight was a 4 point game. The caps were the team we could have finished in front of. If it was only the loss ... it's more the way we played the last 4 games ... it's also the fact that we lost Q-ball ... He was one of the steadiest dman we had ... Think we can still afford to lose Brisebois ? Rivet-Komisarek-Traverse on the right side give me a very slight impression we just can't win about 11-12 of the 18 games remaining. But that's just me and my negative attitude. Anyway keep a close eye on this thread we're going to be mathematically eliminated soon enough. The sooner the better ... may it forces Savard to do the right thing. Perhaps...but until we are, I'm keeping the faith. CO |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 25, 2003 17:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 26, 2003 18:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Stanley on Feb 26, 2003 20:10:09 GMT -5
I really wonder if I should just wish that they loose all their remaining games and pick higher or continue to wish for them to win and continue to have suicidal tendencies because of their play??  I would love Nate Horton...I would take Parizé too...what the hell..better player available..the more I look at them the more I think they all look good  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 26, 2003 20:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 28, 2003 11:03:15 GMT -5
bump: Mid Term Report of Top 15 North American Prospects: 1 STAAL, ERIC OHL PETERBOROUGH 10/29/1984 6' 3" 182 C L 1 2 BROWN, DUSTIN OHL GUELPH 11/4/1984 6' 0" 195 RW R 1 3 VANEK, THOMAS WCHA UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA 1/19/1984 6' 2" 208 LW R 1 4 POULIOT, MARC-ANTOINE QMJHL RIMOUSKI 5/22/1985 6' 1" 188 C R 1 5 HORTON, NATHAN OHL OSHAWA 5/29/1985 6' 2" 201 C R 1 6 GETZLAF, RYAN WHL CALGARY 5/10/1985 6' 2.5" 195 C R 1 7 PHANEUF, DION WHL RED DEER 4/10/1985 6' 2" 205 D L 1 8 COBURN, BRAYDON WHL PORTLAND 2/27/1985 6' 5" 205 D L 1 9 STONE, RYAN WHL BRANDON 3/20/1985 6' 1" 199 C L 1 10 SUTER, RYAN USA US NAT'L U-18 1/21/1985 6' 1" 183 D L 1 11 PARISE, ZACH WCHA UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA 7/28/1984 5' 10" 173 C L 1 12 FRITSCHE, DAN OHL SARNIA 7/13/1985 6' 1" 198 C R 1 13 STEHLIK, RICHARD QMJHL SHERBROOKE 6/22/1984 6' 4" 245 D L 1 14 O'SULLIVAN, PATRICK OHL MISSISSAUGA 2/1/1985 5' 11" 190 C L 1 15 BERNIER, STEVE QMJHL MONCTON 3/31/1985 6' 2.5" 233 RW Mid Term Report of Top 15 International Prospects: 1 ZHERDEV, NIKOLAI RUS HC CSKA 11/5/1984 6' 0" 180 LW R 1 2 MICHALEK, MILAN CZE BUDEJOVICE 12/7/1984 6' 2" 205 RW L 1 3 GLAZACHEV, KONSTANTIN RUS JR. YAROSLAVL JR. 2/18/1985 6' 0" 186 LW R 1 4 MIRNOV, IGOR RUS DYNAMO 9/19/1984 6' 0" 187 F,RW L 1 5 EZHOV , DENIS RUS SAMARA 2/28/1985 6' 0" 198 D L 1 6 NILSSON, ROBERT SWE LEKSAND 1/10/1985 5' 11" 176 C,W L 41 8 13 21 10 1 7 POLAK, VOJTECH CZE KARLOVY VARY 6/27/1985 6' 0" 183 LW L 1 8 TUNIK, YEVGENI RUS ELEKTROSTAL 11/17/1984 6' 2" 198 F,W R 1 9 KHOMUTOV, IVAN RUS ELEKTROSTAL 3/11/1985 6' 2" 198 C,W L 1 10 BARINKA, MICHAL CZE BUDEJOVICE 6/12/1984 6' 3" 200 D L 1 11 KOSMACHEV, DIMITRI RUS HC CSKA 6/7/1985 6' 3" 205 D R 1 12 RAMHOLT, TIM SUI ZURICH 11/2/1984 6' 1" 194 D L 30 2 0 2 12 1 13 PESTUNOV, DIMITRI RUS MAGNITOGORSK 1/22/1985 5' 9" 194 C L 1 14 SHAFIGULIN, GRIGORY RUS JR. YAROSLAVL JR. 1/13/1985 6' 3" 185 C L 1 15 KOSTITSYN, ANDREI RUS HC CSKA 2/3/1985 6' 0" 189 C,F R Horton falling..can he fall into our lap?   |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Feb 28, 2003 12:14:22 GMT -5
bump: Mid Term Report of Top 15 North American Prospects: 1 STAAL, ERIC OHL PETERBOROUGH 10/29/1984 6' 3" 182 C L 1 2 BROWN, DUSTIN OHL GUELPH 11/4/1984 6' 0" 195 RW R 1 3 VANEK, THOMAS WCHA UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA 1/19/1984 6' 2" 208 LW R 1 4 POULIOT, MARC-ANTOINE QMJHL RIMOUSKI 5/22/1985 6' 1" 188 C R 1 5 HORTON, NATHAN OHL OSHAWA 5/29/1985 6' 2" 201 C R 1 6 GETZLAF, RYAN WHL CALGARY 5/10/1985 6' 2.5" 195 C R 1 7 PHANEUF, DION WHL RED DEER 4/10/1985 6' 2" 205 D L 1 8 COBURN, BRAYDON WHL PORTLAND 2/27/1985 6' 5" 205 D L 1 9 STONE, RYAN WHL BRANDON 3/20/1985 6' 1" 199 C L 1 10 SUTER, RYAN USA US NAT'L U-18 1/21/1985 6' 1" 183 D L 1 11 PARISE, ZACH WCHA UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA 7/28/1984 5' 10" 173 C L 1 12 FRITSCHE, DAN OHL SARNIA 7/13/1985 6' 1" 198 C R 1 13 STEHLIK, RICHARD QMJHL SHERBROOKE 6/22/1984 6' 4" 245 D L 1 14 O'SULLIVAN, PATRICK OHL MISSISSAUGA 2/1/1985 5' 11" 190 C L 1 15 BERNIER, STEVE QMJHL MONCTON 3/31/1985 6' 2.5" 233 RW Mid Term Report of Top 15 International Prospects: 1 ZHERDEV, NIKOLAI RUS HC CSKA 11/5/1984 6' 0" 180 LW R 1 2 MICHALEK, MILAN CZE BUDEJOVICE 12/7/1984 6' 2" 205 RW L 1 3 GLAZACHEV, KONSTANTIN RUS JR. YAROSLAVL JR. 2/18/1985 6' 0" 186 LW R 1 4 MIRNOV, IGOR RUS DYNAMO 9/19/1984 6' 0" 187 F,RW L 1 5 EZHOV , DENIS RUS SAMARA 2/28/1985 6' 0" 198 D L 1 6 NILSSON, ROBERT SWE LEKSAND 1/10/1985 5' 11" 176 C,W L 41 8 13 21 10 1 7 POLAK, VOJTECH CZE KARLOVY VARY 6/27/1985 6' 0" 183 LW L 1 8 TUNIK, YEVGENI RUS ELEKTROSTAL 11/17/1984 6' 2" 198 F,W R 1 9 KHOMUTOV, IVAN RUS ELEKTROSTAL 3/11/1985 6' 2" 198 C,W L 1 10 BARINKA, MICHAL CZE BUDEJOVICE 6/12/1984 6' 3" 200 D L 1 11 KOSMACHEV, DIMITRI RUS HC CSKA 6/7/1985 6' 3" 205 D R 1 12 RAMHOLT, TIM SUI ZURICH 11/2/1984 6' 1" 194 D L 30 2 0 2 12 1 13 PESTUNOV, DIMITRI RUS MAGNITOGORSK 1/22/1985 5' 9" 194 C L 1 14 SHAFIGULIN, GRIGORY RUS JR. YAROSLAVL JR. 1/13/1985 6' 3" 185 C L 1 15 KOSTITSYN, ANDREI RUS HC CSKA 2/3/1985 6' 0" 189 C,F R Horton falling..can he fall into our lap? We have seen in the past that Central Scouting predictions aren't bang on. Even though Horton is dropping on their list doesn't mean he is dropping where it is important: On the GMs lists. GMs will use their judgement on what they feel the prospect will turn out to be. They don't always see eye to eye with scouts. I expect Horton to go out in the top 8. Too be honest, I would like the Habs to pick up Steve Bernier...a great all-round player...and he is a big right winger. Pardon the pund, but we are "short" on those. THF |
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Post by Ryan on Feb 28, 2003 13:36:32 GMT -5
I’m throwing my hat in the ring for Mike “Kramer” Richards from the Kitchener Rangers. I get to see the kid play a lot, so here’s my report.
Mike Richards
Height: 5’11”<br>Weight: 175 lbs
Hometown: Kenora, ON
In his rookie season with the Rangers he picked up 20 goals, 35 assists for 58 points. He also added 52 PIM.
This season he’s improved on his numbers and finds himself 10th in league scoring. Through 58 games he’s got 32 goals, 46 assists for 78 points. He’s also racked up 84 PIM and sports an impressive +27 rating.
Currently he’s ranked 43rd amongst North American skaters, which isn’t going to knock anyone’s socks off, but the ranking doesn’t tell the whole story. In talking with a NY Rangers scout about 1 month ago he has Richards ranked in the top 10. Just goes to show you how subjective these rankings are.
He has average size, good skating ability, excellent hockey sense and an unmatched work ethic. The best compliment you could give to Richards is that he’s a player. Plain and simple he will play in the NHL. At the worst he’s a third line checking center, and at best he’s a great two-way center, and team leader. Either way he’s got a great head on his shoulders and is tremendously hard working. He’s already wearing an “A” in Kitchener, and had the “C” up until Derek Roy returned from Buffalo. He’s very competitive, a quiet leader, and sticks up for his teammates without fail. He’s fought a number of times this season, usually with someone he has no business dropping the gloves with. But that’s just the way he is, fearless.
He’s the type of player you build a franchise with…not build around, but build with. He’s never going to score 50 goals in the NHL, but he’ll score 25 goals, kill penalties, check a top line, hit, fight, whatever you need from him. Chances are you’ve never heard of him before, but you will soon. I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t make the World Jr. team next year.
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Post by Psycorp on Feb 28, 2003 13:40:51 GMT -5
I'd really like for us to draft Anthony Stewart but a top twelve pick is too much to get him, maybe if we could manage to get another one around 20th....
Ah dreaming feels good, it make me forget the present.... ;D
A 6'4 240 center...mouhaahhaaahhahhh
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Post by HabzFan on Feb 28, 2003 16:17:06 GMT -5
I think it's time to go for the home-run... we have a very solid base of prospects up-front (Hossa, Plekanek, Perezhogin, Higgins, Balej etc...) but we don't have that game breaker that we desperately need. AS has been stockpiling the draft picks lately and I think its time to make a move in the top-4... With Buffalo, Carolina, Calgary or Colombus likely ending up 1-4, could we make that push to get that franchise high scorer? I'd go with Zherdev... not undersized and one of the fastest mo'fo's around... He would look good on our 3rd line next year with Kilger and Sundstrom.
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Post by MPLABBE on Feb 28, 2003 16:21:24 GMT -5
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Post by JFM on Feb 28, 2003 19:04:25 GMT -5
At this point I just want them to end up with a top 10 pick and not mess it up. And it for the first time this year something goes right for the Habs and they win the lottery, methinks everyone here will have a much happier summer! |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 1, 2003 16:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 6, 2003 16:59:43 GMT -5
bump....
this gets more and more important...
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 8, 2003 12:53:54 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Steve Bernier play? sounds like a stud: Steve Bernier Center 6’02/220 Style: Brendan Shanahan Team - Moncton Wildcats Skills - Bernier plays a good two-way physical game. He has foot speed, strong on his skates, likes to park himself in front of the goal and wait for the rebound. Bernier was soft hands that allows him to work in close with the puck, and he shows creativity with the puck as well. Berniers passing is top notch and is vision is just as good, he can find the open man with great passes through traffic. His shot is very hard and somewhat accurate, but what stands out most is his physical play and his ability to hit, and fight for the puck, Berniers offensive awareness is great, he can see things happen on the ice very well. On the defensive end Bernier is good not great, he likes to take his guys out with a hit and he is good a holding the sticks so people can not get off a good shot. Good speed, great hands, goes to the net, creative, great passing and vision, from Quebec, great shot and physical...damn what is not to like?   |
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Mar 8, 2003 13:24:41 GMT -5
I think it's time to go for the home-run... we have a very solid base of prospects up-front (Hossa, Plekanek, Perezhogin, Higgins, Balej etc...) but we don't have that game breaker that we desperately need. AS has been stockpiling the draft picks lately and I think its time to make a move in the top-4... With Buffalo, Carolina, Calgary or Colombus likely ending up 1-4, could we make that push to get that franchise high scorer? I'd go with Zherdev... not undersized and one of the fastest mo'fo's around... He would look good on our 3rd line next year with Kilger and Sundstrom. Count me in. We should go for it. In retrospect, it's just as well that we never completed a deal for K'chuk. But it's different this year. We have a foundation. If we're willing to move Hainsey in a deal, we should be willing to move a combination of picks and prospects to get the piece we're missing: a large, physical, talented center or winger. |
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Post by PTH on Mar 8, 2003 13:37:07 GMT -5
Count me in. We should go for it. In retrospect, it's just as well that we never completed a deal for K'chuk. But it's different this year. We have a foundation. If we're willing to move Hainsey in a deal, we should be willing to move a combination of picks and prospects to get the piece we're missing: a large, physical, talented center or winger. I don't really see the difference between getting the franchise player and following up with depth, or of getting depth and then going for the franchise player. If it were being done over several seasons it would mean something, but over 2-3 years, seems like it's all the same to me. |
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Mar 8, 2003 13:42:47 GMT -5
Even though there are no sure things yet, we've had the benefit of seeing Komisarek, Hainsey and Hossa in the NHL, and guys like Higgins and Perezhogin at the WJC. It's all encouraging. That's why I'd be more inclined to package a couple of picks and a prospect in order to get that one guy in the top 5 you think is going to be a major, major force down the road. If our "depth" wasn't panning out (if two of the guys mentioned above were struggling) I wouldn't be as ready to make that plunge. But they are panning out, so I would be ready to gamble just a little more by putting more eggs in one basket.
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Post by JFM on Mar 8, 2003 20:02:26 GMT -5
The way the Habs are playing out the season, they won't have to make a big deal to get into the top 5. They are currently in the 10th draft position and most likely to continue sinking. Plus they COULD win the lottery and move into a top 5 position. I would like to see AS try to get an additional 1st rounder myself.
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Post by rocky on Mar 9, 2003 8:08:58 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Steve Bernier play? sounds like a stud: Steve Bernier Center 6’02/220 Style: Brendan Shanahan Team - Moncton Wildcats Skills - Bernier plays a good two-way physical game. He has foot speed, strong on his skates, likes to park himself in front of the goal and wait for the rebound. Bernier was soft hands that allows him to work in close with the puck, and he shows creativity with the puck as well. Berniers passing is top notch and is vision is just as good, he can find the open man with great passes through traffic. His shot is very hard and somewhat accurate, but what stands out most is his physical play and his ability to hit, and fight for the puck, Berniers offensive awareness is great, he can see things happen on the ice very well. On the defensive end Bernier is good not great, he likes to take his guys out with a hit and he is good a holding the sticks so people can not get off a good shot. Good speed, great hands, goes to the net, creative, great passing and vision, from Quebec, great shot and physical...d**n what is not to like? I have every intention of attending the Halifax vs Moncton game this Wednesday in Halifax. If anybody wants me to watch a paticular player besides Bernier please let me know. For example the Mooseheads have a very exciting forward in Petr Vrana who will bear watching. Cheers EDIT: Like I said intentions. Seems like the flu bug went through the staff at the local town library where I now 'work' part-time ie lieu of rigor mortis. They needed me that night. Oh well, so sorry, the Cats are in the playoffs, i will go see Bernier play, I promise. |
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Post by StickHandler on Mar 9, 2003 9:12:48 GMT -5
All the experts agree that this year's draft is special because the top 10-12 players are all blue-chipers and there isn't a clear cut franchise player out of the lot.
There's really no point in trading up to get a top 5 pick since the player we get with a 10 th choice could be just as good. Everybody talks about Bernier and I'd love to see him land in MTL (he's grown to 235lbs by the way), but there's an abundance of potential power-forwards out there including Horton, Glazachev, Getzlaf, etc.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 9, 2003 10:40:10 GMT -5
OK...here are the standings from the bottom
21stMontreal 69 24 29 8 8 64 171 202 14-12-5-3 10-17-3-5 1-6-1-2
22ndChicago 68 24 29 10 5 63 160 174 14-13-4-2 10-16-6-3 1-7-0-2
23rdFlorida 69 21 27 12 9 63 157 201 7-16-7-5 14-11-5-4 4-5-1-0
24thSan Jose 67 25 31 6 5 61 184 198 14-13-4-1 11-18-2-4 4-6-0-0
25thCalgary 68 23 31 10 4 60 154 195 10-13-8-1 13-18-2-3 5-3-2-0
26thPittsburgh 69 25 35 4 5 59 167 211 14-18-1-2 11-17-3-3 1-9-0-0
27thColumbus 67 24 33 7 3 58 175 214 17-11-4-2 7-22-3-1 2-6-1-1
28thBuffalo 67 21 32 8 6 56 151 176 13-15-4-1 8-17-4-5 5-3-1-1
29thCarolina 69 20 34 9 6 55 142 193 11-13-7-3 9-21-2-3 2-6-2-0
30thAtlanta 66 22 34 6 4 54 174 234 11-16-3-2 11-18-3-2 3-5-2-0
Panthers can overtake us with another win......
The good thing about this draft is the fact there is no KChuk or Spezza available...the 10th overall pick is probably in the same class as a top 3 pick...either way Habs absolutely need to pick up an impact player(especially at forward) with size. It's really the last piece of the puzzle we need in the future. We have the goaltending. We have the D. We have alot of fast somewhat big wingers who can score. Just need that PF who can dominate...
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Post by MC Habber on Mar 9, 2003 17:47:00 GMT -5
Yes. Let's see if we can draft someone who is somewhat fast, somewhat big, somewhat intelligent, has somewhat of a scoring touch, and is somewhat of a leader  (Maybe please the media with someone who is somewhat french too?) |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 9, 2003 17:52:50 GMT -5
Yes. Let's see if we can draft someone who is somewhat fast, somewhat big, somewhat intelligent, has somewhat of a scoring touch, and is somewhat of a leader (Maybe please the media with someone who is somewhat french too?) That spells Mario. |
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Post by GMan77 on Mar 9, 2003 21:09:59 GMT -5
All the experts agree that this year's draft is special because the top 10-12 players are all blue-chipers and there isn't a clear cut franchise player out of the lot. There's really no point in trading up to get a top 5 pick since the player we get with a 10 th choice could be just as good. Everybody talks about Bernier and I'd love to see him land in MTL (he's grown to 235lbs by the way), but there's an abundance of potential power-forwards out there including Horton, Glazachev, Getzlaf, etc. As we saw last year, Savard identified the player he wanted (higgins)... and he traded up to get him. This year will be no different. I have to believe we'll go after one of the potential power-forwards, but I'm not familiar enough with them to give you a preference.. from the little I know I like Horton or Bernier. We will probably slide to about 7-9 th, I doubt we'll be in the top 5 that are included in the lottery for the 1st pick. Hopefully we'll dump a few vets for extra picks before the deadline, to give AS more assets to trade up with if he deems it necessary. Here's a thought. if AS truly intends of trading Hainsey... he could deal him to Atlanta for their 1st rounder (so ATL would have a young QB to go with their young forwards) and we would have 2 top 10 picks... I'd hate losing Hainsey, but just imagine us having TWO power-forwards on the way  |
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Post by BillPickles on Mar 10, 2003 8:25:01 GMT -5
As we saw last year, Savard identified the player he wanted (higgins)... and he traded up to get him. This year will be no different. I have to believe we'll go after one of the potential power-forwards, but I'm not familiar enough with them to give you a preference.. from the little I know I like Horton or Bernier. We will probably slide to about 7-9 th, I doubt we'll be in the top 5 that are included in the lottery for the 1st pick. Hopefully we'll dump a few vets for extra picks before the deadline, to give AS more assets to trade up with if he deems it necessary. Here's a thought. if AS truly intends of trading Hainsey... he could deal him to Atlanta for their 1st rounder (so ATL would have a young QB to go with their young forwards) and we would have 2 top 10 picks... I'd hate losing Hainsey, but just imagine us having TWO power-forwards on the way It would take a lot more than Hainsey to snare one of the top picks in this year's draft. More than Komisarek, even. |
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