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Post by Bandit on Jun 4, 2003 16:57:26 GMT -5
It's funny how we look at the draft now isn't it. For example some of us are saying, we can't take Parise look at his size. Yet 10 years from now if he turns out to be a Sakic, no one would really say too much about him. Sure Sakic is small but if teams could go back I'm sure they'd snap him up.
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Post by Bandit on Jun 4, 2003 16:59:54 GMT -5
It's also funny how SI says Gary Suter scored 845 goals  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 4, 2003 17:26:33 GMT -5
It's funny how we look at the draft now isn't it. For example some of us are saying, we can't take Parise look at his size. Yet 10 years from now if he turns out to be a Sakic, no one would really say too much about him. Sure Sakic is small but if teams could go back I'm sure they'd snap him up. Best Player Available is the only way to go... |
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Post by Habtilla on Jun 4, 2003 17:52:51 GMT -5
I really wouldn't mind us taking Tambellini with our first rounder. From reports, he's an excellent skater (in all facets: acceleration, quickness, and top-end speed), has very good hockey sense, and has a great shot that he isn't afraid to use (Red Berenson compared his shot to Bret Hull's, and at least one article compared his snap shot to Joe Sakic's). The only real drawback is size, but at a listed 5'11 186 (who could become a true 200 pounder with work) that shouldn't be a real problem, especially considering he "plays like a big player" [THN draft preview]. Some quotes about Mr. Tambellin Man from the THN draft preview: -"excellent skater" -"great mind for the game" -"great acceleration" -"quick off the mark" -"He's not very big, but it doesn't bother him [...] He plays like a big player." -"He uses his speed at both ends of the ice" -"great puck control" -"great player off the ice" Berenson on Tambellini: "He [Tambellini] has a Brett Hull shot [...] Brett Hull didn't score 700 goals without shooting [...] [Tambellini] is a goal-scorer. When you have the gift he has, you want him to shoot" [ uscollegehockey.com/recaps/20022003/m/02/14/msu-um.php]. At many places (THN draft preview, Bob McKenzie's draft preview, and that SI mock) he's listed as going right around where Gagne went, and he would seem to have many of the same qualities that Gagne has (speed, sense, shot)--reach or not, if Savard thinks he has similar potential, I would love to have him on the team. |
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Post by Thomas on Jun 4, 2003 18:16:14 GMT -5
At first Bernier seemed like the best player for us to draft, he has size and scoring potential. His scouting reports only have positive comments which make him that much more intriguing. After looking at several mock drafts, and SI being the latest one, it seems like Bernier would be a waste at #10, he fits our needs, but he would not be the BPA. I think the Habs have to go with the BPA or the one with the greatest work-ethic and character. Even if our pick doesnt become a superstar, at least he would be a hard working player you could count on game in and game out.
The BPA is really the only way to go, we could use a prospect at any position, a top 6 forward would be best, and thus I am inclined to talking Parise. He will most likely be the BPA when the 10th overall comes around. Hes knocked for his size, 5'11 186 lbs, but that is about what Higgins was when he was drafted, Parise could hopefully gain a few pounds of muscle. Parise would be the scoring threat we would need to center the second line, and the first once Koivu leaves/retires/gets injured.
Has anyone seen Parise play or heard what type of player he resembles? Is he a hard working player? Gritty like Koivu?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 4, 2003 18:51:47 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Parise play or heard what type of player he resembles? Is he a hard working player? Gritty like Koivu? I saw him play at the WJC in the game against Canada. Parise was terrific. He is an offensive player with high end skills. He probably doesn't have captain K's grit, but he ain't a wuss. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 4, 2003 22:49:34 GMT -5
Best Player Available is the only way to go... In hindsight he was obviously the BPA, but to go 15th? I recall the THN recap at the time, which was why I prayed he'd fall to #17 (there's that number again), but Quebec got him earlier, with a Washington pick, I think. The write-up described him as always wanting the puck. It seemed to follow him around. Great drive on the guy. The downside? Size, of course. Some of Parise's comments reminded me of the Sakic write-up which is why I'd be perfectly happy with him as pick #10, despite his smaller than giganticus frame. I really like Phaneuf too. Darn it! Why can't we have picks 10 and 11? Parise has #1 centre written all over him. If you ever saw his dad play you'd appreciate tenacity. Not the greatest scorer, but he was good enough at what he did to make Team Canada 72. Sounds like Zach has his fathers grit and skill on top of it. Mikey likes it! |
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Post by DeportivoHabs on Jun 5, 2003 11:41:07 GMT -5
all the vanek arguing aside....
those highlights look like a young marian hossa.
....albeit weak defense and goaltending.
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Post by AlphaOmega on Jun 5, 2003 13:49:55 GMT -5
1st post ;D, Guess I will just jump right in.
I have to say that Phaneuf is looking better every day. I saw his bone crushing hit during the CHL game, wow. He would also give the habs some impressive depth at D (4 young guns), giving us more options if a deal came along later on. Who knows maybe at next years draft we could use that depth to put a package 2gether to grab Ovechkin (sp?).
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 5, 2003 15:07:51 GMT -5
welcome aboard!
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Post by Thomas on Jun 5, 2003 16:20:42 GMT -5
He would also give the habs some impressive depth at D (4 young guns), giving us more options if a deal came along later on. Who knows maybe at next years draft we could use that depth to put a package 2gether to grab Ovechkin (sp?). Welcome aboard, hope you enjoy posting and reading as much as I have. I agree that adding Phaneuf to the D would give us an impressive top 4 D if they all pan out (Markov, Komo, Hainsey and Phaneuf) with most likely Souray, Rivet and Beauchemin as the remainder of the D. The one problem is I dont see anybody giving up the first draft pick next year, why would a team give up on the future superstar of the league according to some, unless it was an extremely good offer coming the other way (Mike Milbury maybe ;D). Its nice to dream about getting Ovechkin but the team with the 1st overall draft next year will most likely keep it, wouldnt you? And thus I think the habs need to draft a top 6 forward in this draft. The habs have enough defensive depth I believe but very little in top 6 forwards, but if the BPA is a D, then take him. On a side note, imagine if Atlanta manages to draft Ovechkin next summer  , they would have the strongest young talent in the league with Kovalchuck, Heatley, Lethonen Suter/Coburn (this years draft most likely) and Ovechkin. |
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Post by Habsolution on Jun 5, 2003 19:53:25 GMT -5
On a side note, imagine if Atlanta manages to draft Ovechkin next summer , they would have the strongest young talent in the league with Kovalchuck, Heatley, Lethonen Suter/Coburn (this years draft most likely) and Ovechkin. They really would but I don't think they'll be competing for any of the bottom 5 positions next year. Kovalchuk and Heater are only getting better and Hartley has really changed this team. Depeding on what they do this summer a first playoffs apperance is not totally out of question IMO. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 5, 2003 19:59:00 GMT -5
They need some D-man in ATL.
Once they find some good ones, they'll be a force.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 5, 2003 23:50:17 GMT -5
Welcome Alpha/Omega. And at the risk of sounding like an echo, please read the Code of Conduct sticky thread near the top of our thread list. We look forward to your contributions.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 6, 2003 9:16:41 GMT -5
In hindsight he was obviously the BPA, but to go 15th? I recall the THN recap at the time, which was why I prayed he'd fall to #17 (there's that number again), but Quebec got him earlier, with a Washington pick, I think. The write-up described him as always wanting the puck. It seemed to follow him around. Great drive on the guy. The downside? Size, of course. Some of Parise's comments reminded me of the Sakic write-up which is why I'd be perfectly happy with him as pick #10, despite his smaller than giganticus frame. I really like Phaneuf too. Darn it! Why can't we have picks 10 and 11? Parise has #1 centre written all over him. If you ever saw his dad play you'd appreciate tenacity. Not the greatest scorer, but he was good enough at what he did to make Team Canada 72. Sounds like Zach has his fathers grit and skill on top of it. Mikey likes it! We picked Andrew Cassels with the #17 pick, who turned out to be a pretty good player. I don't know what Serge Savard was thinking when we traded him to Hartford - I've always liked him. That year Cassels, John LeClair, and Mathieu Schneider were our top 3 picks. Pretty good take. No two players are the same, but it's a good idea to go back and look at the scouting reports on guys that were picked later in the 1st round or other rounds, that turned out to be big stars. A description of Sakic as a guy who always wants the puck, or the puck always seems to be on his stick is a great description. Parise is like that, I think. I would be wary of guys who always rely on somebody else to get them the puck, instead of taking charge themselves. |
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Post by Thomas on Jun 6, 2003 19:17:15 GMT -5
From ESPN which is from February report from HF link: espn.go.com/nhl/columns/buccigross_john/1531858.html9. Zach Parise, C, North Dakota All he seems to lack is size, but with his heart, it might not matter. Extremely gifted offensive player who can create and finish. Thrives in the open ice but will also get involved along the boards. Very strong on special teams and has very good hockey sense. Damn, this guy is sounding better and better. Player being able to create and finish is very important as posted above, Sakic is this exact type of player. A skilled player with lots of heart is fine by me even if hes not big. I still consider 5'11 186 lbs at 18 to be pretty big. Sry if this tid bit has been posted already... |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 6, 2003 19:20:08 GMT -5
It hasn't been posted so good find
*gets comfortable on the Parise bandwagon*
at this point, I am thinking Phaneuf, Parise and Kastystin are the most realistic and promissing guys for us...
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Post by Thomas on Jun 6, 2003 19:34:11 GMT -5
*gets comfortable on the Parise bandwagon* at this point, I am thinking Phaneuf, Parise and Kastystin are the most realistic and promissing guys for us... Yes, those 3 should be the top 3 choices for the habs. Kastystin's epilepsy may cause some problems with a top 10 pick in the draft, but he does have the talent. As I mentioned in another thread, Phaneuf would be great but leaves our top 6 thin. I just jumped from the Bernier bandwagon to the Parise bandwagon, id take Bernier only if we now had a later pick in the 20-30 range. But the BPA is still the best choice to go with, heres to hoping its Parise ;D he just seems to fit the habs so well, heart and skill with some grit, reminds me of Koivu. |
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Post by CLAN on Jun 7, 2003 8:51:08 GMT -5
From ESPN which is from February report from HF link: espn.go.com/nhl/columns/buccigross_john/1531858.html9. Zach Parise, C, North Dakota All he seems to lack is size, but with his heart, it might not matter. Extremely gifted offensive player who can create and finish. Thrives in the open ice but will also get involved along the boards. Very strong on special teams and has very good hockey sense. drats, this guy is sounding better and better. Player being able to create and finish is very important as posted above, Sakic is this exact type of player. A skilled player with lots of heart is fine by me even if hes not big. I still consider 5'11 186 lbs at 18 to be pretty big. Sry if this tid bit has been posted already...  TEXTNo more small centers for this team. Parise barely has Jr.hockey size. I do not care how skilled he is,he is still too small for the Habs. I want a legitimate BIG,SKILLED PLAYER. Steve Bernier fits the bill just fine. With all the good sized 1rst rounders,WHY are we even talking about another undersized college boy who plays 30 games a year in a league with no fighting?  ? Note to Bob Gainey ;do not allow your head scout Andre Savard to pick a runt again. l NO MORE UNDERSIZED SMURFS PLEASE. |
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Post by clear observer on Jun 7, 2003 9:05:08 GMT -5
My sentiments as well... If I'm Savard (and truly I'm not...no seriously, I'm not) and if he's available, I take Dion Phaneuf. Me likey likey. <--- see...would Savard type this...told ya!? CO |
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Post by Thomas on Jun 7, 2003 9:36:24 GMT -5
Welcome aboard CLAN, see you've made ths switch from HabFans. Just thought you might like this comparison: Mike Ribeiro (Shrimp to your Standards) League - Team - Games Played - Goals - Assists - Points - PIMs QMJHL Rouyn-Noranda 69 67 100 167 137  Steve Bernier League - Team - Games Played - Goals - Assists - Points - PIMs QMJHL Moncton 70 48 52 100 90 I too wanted to draft Bernier because of his size, but after comparing his stats with Ribeiro in the same league, Ribeiro got 67 more points and 47 more PIM. This may not reflect their toughness or grit, but its just impressive that small Ribeiro managed to get 137 PIMs in the Q. If were drafting for size, at the #10 pick, IMO one of the following would be better (in order): Brown, Getzlaf, Jessiman or Stewart (lower in mock drafts, but hes bigger than Bernier). But I would take Phaneuf over all these players except Brown, Phaneuf is going to be one great tough D in the league. |
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Post by StickHandler on Jun 7, 2003 9:49:54 GMT -5
You can't compare Bernier and Ribeiro's junior stats... That's just plain unfair! Ribeiro had 167 points at the age of 19... During his draft year, he had 125. The Q of 5 years ago was a much more offensive and opened league than it is now. Ribs also played on a much stronger team in Rouyn-Noranda.
Let's not compare apple and oranges.
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Post by Thomas on Jun 7, 2003 10:01:31 GMT -5
I realize they are from different times and age difference, I just found it interesting how Ribeiro managed to get 137 PIMs. Bernier is bigger and tougher than Ribeiro, but most mock drafts or drafting reports place him from anywhere between 15-30. I just don't see him as the BPA at #10. He just seems like another Chouinard now, and I'd rather take the BPA than what we need right now. Bernier or whoever we draft this year will probably not make the team for another 2-3 years, and thus wouldnt solve our size problem right now. If AS thinks Bernier is the BPA at #10 then take him, he would bring size and skill to our line up and could be a great 1st or 2nd liner, but I would not take him over Phaneuf or Brown, and now Parise. We each have our opinions on who we should draft, but we should be content with whoever AS drafts, they have seen each player play and know more than we do.
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Post by CLAN on Jun 7, 2003 11:42:05 GMT -5
Welcome aboard CLAN, see you've made ths switch from HabFans. Thanks for the welcome ,however I have not switched over from Habsfans,I have just added another Habs site! Can't get enough of Habs discussions. Any ways ,Iam not a great beleiver in stats. What I look for is a player that will make the transition to Pro hockey from junior fairly quickly with no big weaknessess. Bernier has pro size,is skilled and can skate. I just do not see a player like Parize being NHL ready as he will be at a major disatvantage by being so small compared regular NHL ERS. Bernier IMO can step into the Bulldogs lineup NOW. ;D |
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Post by PTH on Jun 7, 2003 13:44:02 GMT -5
Bernier IMO can step into the Bulldogs lineup NOW. ;D No, he can't. Junior players have to be aged 20 before they can be assigned to the AHL. Anyhow, Terry Ryan could step into the NHL at 19, was he really a better pick than a skilled guy like, say, Dvorak, would have been ? You pick the guy who in 4-5 years will be the best player, not the guy who can step in ASAP. |
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Post by madhabfan on Jun 7, 2003 15:12:53 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that with the number 10 pick, Dustin Brown would be the guy I'd select. Just a hunch.
Here's my top 5 (for the number 10 pick)
1. Brown
2. Kostitsyn
3. Getzlaf
4. Phanuef
5. Parise
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Post by Thomas on Jun 7, 2003 15:17:45 GMT -5
I'd have to say my top 5 would be:
1. Parise
2. Brown
3. Phaneuf
4. Getzlaf
5. Kastyistin (sp?)
Top 3 would be very close between them, Parise size is his only problem, but got to love his heart. Brown fits what the habs need NOW, but would still take a few years for him to join the team.
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Post by HabzFan on Jun 8, 2003 13:07:51 GMT -5
This is what I want to do... Trade Hainsey and a Second to Pittsburgh for their 1st rounder... They want to draft Fleury but it looks like the Cane's will get their hands on him first. Pittsburgh next need is D and at their position, i think it's a little too early to draft one. So they get hainsey and our 2nd rounder and we get an early 1st rounder. With that pick, we select Horton... Then, with our 10th pick, we select one of Suter, Coburn, or Phaneuf, since one should be available...
I'm leaning towards Phaneuf, a dirty mofo who doesn't hesitate to raise the elbow or slash the wrists when the ref isn't looking. So that leaves us with Horton, who would likely be our 1st line center a few years down the road and Phaneuf, who can develop anywhere from a 1st defencemen to a #3... which would be great for us considering our young defensive depth (Markov, Komi, Beauchemin, Archer)
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Post by Thomas on Jun 8, 2003 13:19:59 GMT -5
I think the Pens would turn down that offer, if we want to move up to the 3rd overall, they will want our 1st rounder as well, meaning Hainsey + 10th overall at least. Hainsey + 40th overall could propbably get us a mid to low 1st rounder, but being a deep draft, id rather keep Hainsey and the 40th overall, a chance of having 2 good players rather than only 1. At the 10th overall we will still be able to draft a good NHLer, so I think getting a another lower draft pick in the first round would be better. Getting Phaneuf at 10 and then Bernier or Carter at 20-30 would be a drats good draft. The 40th overall there are still some very good players left, only difference is they have something they need to work on. At the draft the habs will most likely pick Brown or Parise with the 10th overall, and then a D with the 40th like Seabrooke or Stehlik and a high risk forward (opposite of the 10th overall) with the ~54th.
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Post by HabzFan on Jun 8, 2003 13:23:29 GMT -5
If we were to keep our 10th and our 40th I would look to take one of Bernier, Pouiliot, Getzlaf, or Brown (IF he Falls)... And pick Seabrooke or Belle with the second rounder...
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, they would have the strongest young talent in the league with Kovalchuck, Heatley, Lethonen Suter/Coburn (this years draft most likely) and Ovechkin.
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