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Post by Cranky on Jul 6, 2008 14:32:57 GMT -5
Few players interest me as much as JayBo. In the next few years, he will be a consistent Norris candidate.
So..pack your bags Emeilin, Markov and a 1st.
Hello JayBo. Here is 6.5 million for the next 5 years.
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Post by clear observer on Jul 6, 2008 14:57:23 GMT -5
Few players interest me as much as JayBo. In the next few years, he will be a consistent Norris candidate. So..pack your bags Emeilin, Markov and a 1st. Hello JayBo. Here is 6.5 million for the next 5 years. Affectionately, and with all due respect.... ....you're nuts. Trade what might also be a perrenial Norris candidate (last yrs FIRST TEAM ALL-STAR) PLUS a potential star PLUS a 1st for ONLY Bowmeister?? Take your laptop, get off your patio and out of the hot sun and get back into your air-conditioned house...pour some nice lemonade or iced-tea, have a sip and re-think this....malaka. Heh heh  |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 6, 2008 15:36:19 GMT -5
Bouwmeester is highly overrated in hockey circles.
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Post by cigarviper on Jul 6, 2008 16:13:03 GMT -5
And they want to rid themselves of him because he's so good?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 6, 2008 17:09:09 GMT -5
Plenty of room for him on my team.
He could beat out Breezeby, Bouillion, and Georges. (put together)
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Post by blny on Jul 6, 2008 18:42:59 GMT -5
Bouwmeester has never really done much to impress me. He's a great skater, but little more IMO. When I've seen him he's looked lost, lacks any sort of physical presence, and isn't a whiz in the offensive zone. He doesn't show a lot of competitiveness either.
I think Markov provides more, and for less than what someone is likely to offer Jay on the open market right now. I like much of our blue line, present and future. Aside from adding muscle to the group, I don't think it needs a lot of tinkering.
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Post by PTH on Jul 6, 2008 22:50:34 GMT -5
JB hasn't impressed me either..... and a future Norris winner isn't what this team needs now.
The future is right now in Montreal - witness dealing a 1st rounder for a season of Tanguay.
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 6, 2008 23:00:04 GMT -5
JB hasn't impressed me either..... and a future Norris winner isn't what this team needs now. The future is right now in Montreal - witness dealing a 1st rounder for a season of Tanguay. +1 Besides, Markov is closer now than Bouwmeester ever will be to winning the Norris. |
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Post by habmeister on Jul 7, 2008 1:55:08 GMT -5
huh?! bouwmeester strikes me as a nice kid that doesnt have a lot going on between the ears. i'm not just saying that because he speaks really slowly or drools out of the right side of his mouth. not a big fan of him, he'll be good, but norris?! i don't see that at all from him. top 20 d-man in the league i think is his max upside.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 7, 2008 2:00:02 GMT -5
Can those who were impressed with Markov's layoff playoff performance please put your hand up!
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Post by Polarice on Jul 7, 2008 6:00:06 GMT -5
I'd trade Emeilin and a 1st for him, thats about it.
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Post by The New Guy on Jul 7, 2008 15:22:10 GMT -5
Can those who were impressed with Markov's layoff playoff performance please put your hand up! He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't at his worst either. I'd still take Markov over JayBo any day of the week at this point. JayBo has potential, but I think Markov is now. That said, if the Panthers management is looking for something along the lines of what they acquired for Jokinen (a couple of middling prospects) and we have the cap room I might be convinced to give up Gorges/Emelin and Dandenault for him... |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 7, 2008 17:00:53 GMT -5
Can those who were impressed with Markov's layoff playoff performance please put your hand up! Well I was certainly impressed with Bouwmeester's. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2008 0:53:56 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I was seeing more of Bouwmeester in the highlights towards the end of the year. Might be he was just maturing and getting better. Or he has Hollywood good looks. Don't ask me, I'm just a guy.
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Post by jkr on Jul 28, 2008 12:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jul 29, 2008 10:24:19 GMT -5
Is he related to "Jenny from the block"?  |
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Post by jkr on Jul 30, 2008 19:38:06 GMT -5
If you're interested have a look at Mirtle's analysis of JB's career to date. The numbers are actually pretty good if you take a hard look at them. I like Mirtle's stuff, it's careful analysis, not just some guy's off base opinion. For example - he leads the league in time on ice while not missing a game during the last 3 years. Mirtle also compared his scoring in the 3rd, 4th & 5th years of his career. He came in seventh in a field that includes Lidstrom, Niedermeyer, Pronger etc. All this while playing on a lousy team. More here: mirtle.blogspot.com/ |
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Post by clear observer on Jul 31, 2008 10:45:05 GMT -5
If you're interested have a look at Mirtle's analysis of JB's career to date. The numbers are actually pretty good if you take a hard look at them. I like Mirtle's stuff, it's careful analysis, not just some guy's off base opinion. For example - he leads the league in time on ice while not missing a game during the last 3 years. Mirtle also compared his scoring in the 3rd, 4th & 5th years of his career. He came in seventh in a field that includes Lidstrom, Niedermeyer, Pronger etc. All this while playing on a lousy team. More here: mirtle.blogspot.com/Oh, I dunno how flattering this stat may be...the way I see it is the more ice-time I get, the more I produce. As an "offensive-minded defenceman" leading the league in minutes played, you'd think his totals would be better, no? |
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Post by jkr on Jul 31, 2008 11:09:06 GMT -5
If you're interested have a look at Mirtle's analysis of JB's career to date. The numbers are actually pretty good if you take a hard look at them. I like Mirtle's stuff, it's careful analysis, not just some guy's off base opinion. For example - he leads the league in time on ice while not missing a game during the last 3 years. Mirtle also compared his scoring in the 3rd, 4th & 5th years of his career. He came in seventh in a field that includes Lidstrom, Niedermeyer, Pronger etc. All this while playing on a lousy team. More here: mirtle.blogspot.com/Oh, I dunno how flattering this stat may be...the way I see it is the more ice-time I get, the more I produce. As an "offensive-minded defenceman" leading the league in minutes played, you'd think his totals would be better, no? Mirtle looked at years 3 through 5. His offensive production for that period compares very favorably to some top flight D men at the same stage in their careers. And he has scored 27 goals in his last 2 seasons. |
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Post by clear observer on Jul 31, 2008 11:15:59 GMT -5
Oh, I dunno how flattering this stat may be...the way I see it is the more ice-time I get, the more I produce. As an "offensive-minded defenceman" leading the league in minutes played, you'd think his totals would be better, no? Mirtle looked at years 3 through 5. His offensive production for that period compares very favorably to some top flight D men at the same stage in their careers. And he has scored 27 goals in his last 2 seasons. Well then, with that in mind I shall take a softer stance. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 31, 2008 13:46:22 GMT -5
Oh, I dunno how flattering this stat may be...the way I see it is the more ice-time I get, the more I produce. As an "offensive-minded defenceman" leading the league in minutes played, you'd think his totals would be better, no? Mirtle looked at years 3 through 5. His offensive production for that period compares very favorably to some top flight D men at the same stage in their careers. And he has scored 27 goals in his last 2 seasons. So we're dealing with a projection of his career based on the projection of HOF-caliber careers. Right. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 31, 2008 15:17:01 GMT -5
Mirtle looked at years 3 through 5. His offensive production for that period compares very favorably to some top flight D men at the same stage in their careers. And he has scored 27 goals in his last 2 seasons. So we're dealing with a projection of his career based on the projection of HOF-caliber careers. Right. It was a comparison, not a projection of future performance, & his numbers are better, I think, than people give him credit for. He hasn't missed a game in 3 years, he leads the league in average ice time & he plays a lot of special team minutes & he plays a lot of minutes against quality opposition. I'm not advocating a trade. It just looks like this guy, like Luongo & Jokinen, get tagged as underachievers because they play for an underachieving franchise. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 4, 2008 19:14:20 GMT -5
Oh, I dunno how flattering this stat may be...the way I see it is the more ice-time I get, the more I produce. As an "offensive-minded defenceman" leading the league in minutes played, you'd think his totals would be better, no? Mirtle looked at years 3 through 5. His offensive production for that period compares very favorably to some top flight D men at the same stage in their careers. And he has scored 27 goals in his last 2 seasons. What I dont understand is why we can do this type of analysis with other players and it is accepted ... but do it for one of our own guys and it gets torn apart. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 5, 2008 0:42:11 GMT -5
Easy, Skilly, because we see our own players so much more than the other guys we 'rate', and seeing is believing. I'm sure I could find a good stat about Karl Dykhuis (he may have had the best +/- on one of the teams he played for one year, for example), but that doesn't mean I'm salivating over his play. Maybe some other bodily fluid.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 5, 2008 6:59:37 GMT -5
Karl Dykhuis (he may have had the best +/- on one of the teams he played for one year, for example), ...I remember Dykhuis leading the HABS in +/- during our darker years... You know the years when Zholtok and Petrov were our best forwards... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 5, 2008 9:00:11 GMT -5
Karl Dykhuis (he may have had the best +/- on one of the teams he played for one year, for example), ...I remember Dykhuis leading the HABS in +/- during our darker years... You know the years when Zholtok and Petrov were our best forwards... Dark days indeed. A friend of mine pointed out something about Dykhuis. Every single time he had the puck behind his own net he'd whip it around the boards, out of the zone and caused an icing. He had no other play. Incredible how far down we fell. I've been privy to 10 Stanley Cups and probably the worst part of our team's history. Oh, and Bowmeister ... would have been nice but at a decent chunk of change. Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 5, 2008 23:53:20 GMT -5
This morning I was having a coffee in Boston are reading the Globe. Nice two page article about Ryder in the sports section.
Ryder; "I don't know what went wrong last year I started on the #1 line, was demoted for poor play and eventually ended up watching games. I wanted to contribute more and do better, but it didn't work out and I really don't know why. I had a few offers from teams including Vancouver, but I've had success working with Mr. Julien, the east has less arduous travel and the time zone allows my parents to watch the games on TV. I hope and expect to do better and score more than 14 goals."
Nice to see him take the high road and look to is future instead of complaining about the past.
Good luck Mike.
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Post by blny on Dec 9, 2008 11:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2008 11:42:42 GMT -5
I shouldn't do this, but .... what the heck ... Would you move Komisarek, an UFA, to Florida, for Bouwmeester, another UFA, straight up? Komisarek was touted as a future leader of our club one day and Bouwmeester is already wearing the "A". Would ya' ... huh ... huh ... ;D |
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Post by Polarice on Dec 9, 2008 11:57:09 GMT -5
I'd trade Emeilin and a 1st for him, thats about it. ;D |
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