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Post by Cranky on Dec 11, 2008 20:53:54 GMT -5
Ask and you shall receive ...  Harper definitely doesnt care about Newfoundland .... from The Telegram, Jan. 14th, 08 Premier Danny Williams says the prime minister told him last year that he doesn’t need to win seats in Newfoundland and Labrador to win a federal election.
Williams told reporters today in St. John’s that Stephen Harper offered “a very telling” comment when they met in St. John’s in November that he hasn’t previously disclosed.
The premier says at one point, Harper told him he doesn’t need the province’s support to win a future election.
Williams says that shows the kind of disdain the prime minister holds for this provinceThe one thing to note here is that while it is entirely possible the premier could have made this up for his ABC and feud over the equalization issues, the PM never never ever denied the comment. Harper is too smart and too controlling of his temper to say anything like that. On the other hand, how do you get NF'ders more fired up then dsimissing them? As for the argument that "Harper never denied it". Harper has everything to lose and nothing to gain by going into a gutter fight. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 11, 2008 21:06:08 GMT -5
Again, when was the last time you attended any Conservative meeting of any kind? The agenda is about the economy, big government and environment policies. The taxpayers paid orgies come afterward. Again, way to dodge the question. You are really boring me with the "they are Reformers" line. For the last time (I hope) I don't care if they were Martians from Pluto, I NEVER heard any AGENDA other then ECONOMY, BIG GOVERNMENT AND ENVIROMENT. You can read ten thousand articles from the latest leftist yappings but it doesn't give you an ounce of insight about the Conservatives....or the "why" of the policies. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2008 22:30:31 GMT -5
[ You can read ten thousand articles from the latest leftist yappings but it doesn't give you an ounce of insight about the Conservatives....or the "why" of the policies. Interesting that views from the left are "yappings". True, few if any on this board have any first-hand insight into any party's policy-making process. But I find it illogical that people can say Harper and his cronies have no residual Reform ideologies (when they were instrumental in the formation of the Reform Party which morphed into Canadian Alliance....to the Conservative Party...and finally to the familiar PC brand)....while dismissing Bob Rae as nothing but a New Democrat who screwed Ontario. How can one person's political past not affect his present....while the other's does? |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 11, 2008 22:56:15 GMT -5
[ You can read ten thousand articles from the latest leftist yappings but it doesn't give you an ounce of insight about the Conservatives....or the "why" of the policies. Interesting that views from the left are "yappings". True, few if any on this board have any first-hand insight into any party's policy-making process. But I find it illogical that people can say Harper and his cronies have no residual Reform ideologies (when they were instrumental in the formation of the Reform Party which morphed into Canadian Alliance....to the Conservative Party...and finally to the familiar PC brand)....while dismissing Bob Rae as nothing but a New Democrat who screwed Ontario. How can one person's political past not affect his present....while the other's does? Yes it's yapping unless there is some semblance of knowledge behind it. How many Conservative party hacks have you worked with? How many "functions" have you attended? If none, then what are you basing your opinion on? The CBC? Media articles? Irrelevant on what you are basing it on, tell me, what policies do YOU think governs Conservative party? |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 11, 2008 23:32:33 GMT -5
Have you worked with Harper? Or Dion, Rae, or Layton?
I also have no knowledge of the inner workings/decision-making processes of the Habs...nor do any of us...but it doesn't stop us from commenting/postulating/complaining/yapping.
The point of my post is that "yapping" isn't exclusive to the left. According to your definition, unless it's based on first-hand knowlege/experience, it's yapping. Left, right, and centre.
I agree with that definition, BTW.....but yapping is all the vast majority has.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 12, 2008 0:02:01 GMT -5
Have you worked with Harper? Or Dion, Rae, or Layton? I also have no knowledge of the inner workings/decision-making processes of the Habs...nor do any of us...but it doesn't stop us from commenting/postulating/complaining/ yapping. The point of my post is that "yapping" isn't exclusive to the left. According to your definition, unless it's based on first-hand knowlege/experience, it's yapping. Left, right, and centre. I agree with that definition, BTW.....but yapping is all the vast majority has. Okay, it's not exclusive to the left, or right, or center. I know very well with what the left media painted the Reform Party. They were suppose to be homophobic, sexist, xenophobic religious zealots. So Harper must have the same thing tattooed under his shirt. What I found and why I joined.... Tax reform.....less money for the government, more for the people. Services...well funded essential social services but no ice cream like the Arts funding. Enviroment...deal with real pollution issues but do NOT hold up the falling sky with trillions of dollars in white elephants unless there is some real proof that CO2 is causing this change. Trade...FREE trade. Period. (I got hammered with free trade and lost tens of millions of dollars of production to China. Yet I srtill believe in it.) Social policy......NONE. NOBODY ever talked about gay/lesbian rights or Christian "redirection". Only about how immigration should based on Canadian needs (doctors, nurses, engineers, specialist fields, etc). And no, I never had a wife swap with Harper while discussing social policy. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 12, 2008 3:39:05 GMT -5
Take a Liberal politician and put him in a canvas bag.
Take a Conservative politician and put him in a canvas bag.
Take an NDP politician and put him in a canvas bag.
Put all three bags in a rowboat and row out to the middle of the lake.
Throw all three bags with the politicians inside overboard.
The result.
You lose three bags.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 12, 2008 20:39:46 GMT -5
Ask and you shall receive ... Harper definitely doesnt care about Newfoundland .... from The Telegram, Jan. 14th, 08 Premier Danny Williams says the prime minister told him last year that he doesn’t need to win seats in Newfoundland and Labrador to win a federal election.
Williams told reporters today in St. John’s that Stephen Harper offered “a very telling” comment when they met in St. John’s in November that he hasn’t previously disclosed.
The premier says at one point, Harper told him he doesn’t need the province’s support to win a future election.
Williams says that shows the kind of disdain the prime minister holds for this provinceThe one thing to note here is that while it is entirely possible the premier could have made this up for his ABC and feud over the equalization issues, the PM never never ever denied the comment. Harper is too smart and too controlling of his temper to say anything like that. On the other hand, how do you get NF'ders more fired up then dsimissing them? As for the argument that "Harper never denied it". Harper has everything to lose and nothing to gain by going into a gutter fight. Gee and I thought most Canadians would get fired up if you dismissed them ... isn't that how the ever great wonderful perfect Reform Party came to be ... people got fired up because they felt dismissed. But wait .... Yes it's yapping unless there is some semblance of knowledge behind it. Isn't it ironic how a founding member of a quasi-sovereigntist party can now spew such hypocritical drivel about national interest to drum up support.... (note that there is a clear distinction between sovereigntist and separatist, the Bloc is about Quebec issues just as the Reform was nothing more than Western issues - direct quote from Harper "we are a western party, with western values, and we will remain that way" ... thats the reason I didnt vote for him the first time oh and "the east is nothing but a culture of defeatists" ), |
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Post by roke on Dec 14, 2008 22:51:22 GMT -5
Well, at least an interesting survey came out of this. www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081214.wdohcanada1214/BNStory/politics/homeThere has been talk on the boards in previous topics about the lack of, well, national unity/patriotism of Canadians. It comes down to not teaching it in schools; the curriculum for social studies, in my experience in Manitoba, is pathetic and, I believe, the main cause behind people not knowing much about our country, our political system, and our history. |
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 15, 2008 0:25:29 GMT -5
Well, at least an interesting survey came out of this. www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081214.wdohcanada1214/BNStory/politics/homeThere has been talk on the boards in previous topics about the lack of, well, national unity/patriotism of Canadians. It comes down to not teaching it in schools; the curriculum for social studies, in my experience in Manitoba, is pathetic and, I believe, the main cause behind people not knowing much about our country, our political system, and our history.
“Canadians certainly were interested by what was going on in Ottawa, but lacked in many cases the basic knowledge to form informed opinions,” Mr. Chalifoux said.
“We found a lot of ignorance.”Sounds a lot like what I was saying to TNG. |
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Post by franko on Dec 15, 2008 7:04:00 GMT -5
One of the talk-show heads here was complaining that Michaëlle Jean shouldn't have been the one deciding whether or not to prorogue or to turn the governemnt over to the coalition because she "wasn't from here and didn't know our history".
I figured that she probably knew our history better than we do . . . and she would probably have gotten a crash course in it anyway.
"When I was in school" . . . it was pretty pathetic and probably worse now. St. Marie Among the Hurons, Radisson and Groseilliers, and the Hudsons Bay Company fur traders in grade 4, and that was about it. Lotsa European history, though, throughout high school.
Totally agree that we are missing something . . . but I would well imagine that Canadian History would now focus on how Europeans stole the land from the natives First Nations peoples and how great PET was.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 15, 2008 8:54:53 GMT -5
One of the talk-show heads here was complaining that Michaëlle Jean shouldn't have been the one deciding whether or not to prorogue or to turn the governemnt over to the coalition because she "wasn't from here and didn't know our history". I haven't heard many arguements about the fact she is a non-elected member of our government deciding the fate of our government .... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 15, 2008 9:47:52 GMT -5
Well, at least an interesting survey came out of this. www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081214.wdohcanada1214/BNStory/politics/homeThere has been talk on the boards in previous topics about the lack of, well, national unity/patriotism of Canadians. It comes down to not teaching it in schools; the curriculum for social studies, in my experience in Manitoba, is pathetic and, I believe, the main cause behind people not knowing much about our country, our political system, and our history. It's just not Manitobe, Roke. It's all over the country actually. There are several reasons for this, but I believe the first might be that schools are afraid to miff anybody off. Our national history isn't necessarily every Canadian's history. Certainly not all, but some of those new to Canada could care less about Canadian history because that's not what their story is. Hence they feel that it's being rammed down their throats and they shouldn't have to put up with it. Rather than put up some sort of defence, the school systems convene meetings to determine the best course of action should be. Once the new Canadians are deemed in the right, the curriculum changes. Today so little learning has been spent on our own country that most people could care less knowing more about it. That's in the extreme, but it's really not all that out in left field. And unfortunately it doesn't just pertain to teaching Canadian History. As for our political system, I remember first learning about this in grade 6! In grade 10 history class, 25% of our total mark for the year was based on researching the Ontario provincial election (the one where the NDP under Stephen Lewis formed the opposition and the Liberals under Bob Nixon finished third). We had projects to hand in and a formal test in which we had to explain what happened in the election process. THEN we went onto Canadian history; Vimy Ridge, the burning of the White House ... you know ... the good stuff. The times they are a changin' ... and most Canadians could care less nowadays. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 15, 2008 14:36:59 GMT -5
One of the talk-show heads here was complaining that Michaëlle Jean shouldn't have been the one deciding whether or not to prorogue or to turn the governemnt over to the coalition because she "wasn't from here and didn't know our history". I haven't heard many arguements about the fact she is a non-elected member of our government deciding the fate of our government .... Likely one of the items on TNG's list of parliamentary amendments....  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 15, 2008 14:55:43 GMT -5
Leafs and Bruins form coalition to defeat Hab's makes about as much sense.
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